Australian Open F: Jannik Sinner vs. Daniil Medvedev

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Baseline_Bungle

Hall of Fame
One area where Daniil Medvedev will seldom be defeated is the post-match press conference. This must be an incredibly tough pill to swallow, and I genuinely feel for him. Yet he showed up in the media room and was his usual chatty self: pleasant, frank, insightful and engaging.

A joy to listen to, kudos to this champion!

 

Baseline_Bungle

Hall of Fame
Also, had to leave the house immediately after match point and was gone all day, but I gotta keep the tradition going...

...THEME SONG!

Repent, ye sinless unbelievers.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
No, it's not me who came up with that. It was the ESPN en Español commentator.
The commentator very likely was fed that tidbit into their earpiece by a research person behind the scenes. You then fed it to TTW. So you get credit here. You didn’t certify it anyway so I took it with a grain of salt, as I do all uncertified posts.
 
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Eureka

Professional
One area where Daniil Medvedev will seldom be defeated is the post-match press conference. This must be an incredibly tough pill to swallow, and I genuinely feel for him. Yet he showed up in the media room and was his usual chatty self: pleasant, frank, insightful and engaging.

A joy to listen to, kudos to this champion!............
Thanks for that clip - it must be so painful to have to decipher his feelings etc to them / comparisons to previous losses etc. He showed his lions heart on the court today, and again in the presser Kudos to him indeed.

Happy for Sinner, but gutted for Medvedev. He was the better player and his body let him down. 5th slam loss, where he had chances to win, is brutal.
Yes, it is. I hope that he will gain due respect for the fight he showed all tournament, and in the final. He gave it his all, and no one can do more.
 

sortof

Semi-Pro
Congrats to Super Sonic, what a great win for him and - what a great career he is going to enjoy. At the same time, I feel really sorry for Med, obviously he came to the tournament in a relatively poor shape and had to spend endless hours on the court on his way to final. After 2 fantastic sets against Sinner he got slowly but surely too tired to suppress the young Italians game. Still, overall a darn heroic effort by Med and I hope he keeps going and manages to win a second slam title.
 
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Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
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One area where Daniil Medvedev will seldom be defeated is the post-match press conference. This must be an incredibly tough pill to swallow, and I genuinely feel for him. Yet he showed up in the media room and was his usual chatty self: pleasant, frank, insightful and engaging.

A joy to listen to, kudos to this champion!

He saw Sinner crush Djokovic without Djokovic even having a break point. Medvedev isn't shocked at losing the final. He had alot of mileage on his legs this tournament.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Thanks for that clip - it must be so painful to have to decipher his feelings etc to them / comparisons to previous losses etc. He showed his lions heart on the court today, and again in the presser Kudos to him indeed.


Yes, it is. I hope that he will gain due respect for the fight he showed all tournament, and in the final. He gave it his all, and no one can do more.
Gotta hand it to Med, he handled a very tough loss with grace and wit. That's about the classiest interview after a slam final loss ever. I also thought the aggressive way Med played the first two sets was the most fun tennis he's ever played. If he can bring that level again and permanently ditches his ROS position, he'll win more slams.
 

Pheasant

Legend
What a great match. I had to record it and watch it many hours later, since it started at 2:30am my time.

Sinner showed great poise to comeback. He weathered the storm like a veteran multi-slam champion. What a breath of fresh air!
 

teckid

Rookie
Was I dreaming or did the TNNS Live scoring app send out a push notification sometime prior to 8a CT that said "(trophy emoji) 2 for Medvedev!" or something like that? I saw it and was mad cause it spoiled results before I could watch it, then I scanned through the replay and started getting really confused around end of 4th set as Sinner elevated and Med faded.

Did anyone else see this notification?

(apologies if someone already mentioned this)

Also: great slam for both guys, I like them both, but really happy for Sinner to get over the finish line, hopefully he can really start to play free at other events.
 

reaper

Legend
Gotta hand it to Med, he handled a very tough loss with grace and wit. That's about the classiest interview after a slam final loss ever. I also thought the aggressive way Med played the first two sets was the most fun tennis he's ever played. If he can bring that level again and permanently ditches his ROS position, he'll win more slams.
He certainly handled the defeat with enormous grace, but why oh why the change of tactics away from what had been working?
 

Fed881981

Hall of Fame
Medvedev 6 slam finals: either five-setters (3) or straight sets.

Also, of the 24 sets that he played in slam finals, only two went to tie-breakers.
 

tennis24x7

Professional
Thanks for that clip - it must be so painful to have to decipher his feelings etc to them / comparisons to previous losses etc. He showed his lions heart on the court today, and again in the presser Kudos to him indeed.


Yes, it is. I hope that he will gain due respect for the fight he showed all tournament, and in the final. He gave it his all, and no one can do more.
I hope he continues to be an attacking player like in the first two sets. 2024 will sure be fun now.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Can Sinner also win the French open ?? :unsure: :unsure:


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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
this is so true, this guy said Sinner really beefed up the leg and that paid off in this final but we will have to see how strong it really is,,, like at the french open

 

Fed881981

Hall of Fame
Yes, I want Meddy to be in the mix, big-time.
Medvedev has now played 5 of the last 7 slam finals on hard courts. He clearly puts himself in positions to wins these titles. His chance will come, but he can’t either lose in straight sets or lose after being up in a match.
 

reaper

Legend
Probably cause those tactics stopped working.
The tactic I'm talking mainly about is aggression when returning on the 2nd serve. From the outset Medvedev was playing near the lines, mainly wide to Sinner's forehand on second serve returns. He broke 3 times in the first set and a half doing it. We come to 4-4 Deuce on Sinner's serve in the 4th set. Medvedev's on fumes. Sinner's on a second serve. He hits a very neutral second serve to the centre of the box, which Medvedev pushes back defensively. Sinner then assumes control of the point and wins it.
What at that point did Medvedev believe his path to victory was? Based on the tactic adopted on that point (and many others) his only path to victory was Sinner giving him the match. If he rips a return, maybe he makes it, maybe he misses, but he gives himself a chance. By the 4th set Medvedev was actually running around his forehand to hit defensive backhands. On what planet is that a winning strategy when fatigue is your biggest problem? Medvedev is described as one of the smartest players on tour, but his play in the 3rd and 4th sets when he still had a chance was anything but.
 

Nadal - GOAT

Hall of Fame
The tactic I'm talking mainly about is aggression when returning on the 2nd serve. From the outset Medvedev was playing near the lines, mainly wide to Sinner's forehand on second serve returns. He broke 3 times in the first set and a half doing it. We come to 4-4 Deuce on Sinner's serve in the 4th set. Medvedev's on fumes. Sinner's on a second serve. He hits a very neutral second serve to the centre of the box, which Medvedev pushes back defensively. Sinner then assumes control of the point and wins it.
What at that point did Medvedev believe his path to victory was? Based on the tactic adopted on that point (and many others) his only path to victory was Sinner giving him the match. If he rips a return, maybe he makes it, maybe he misses, but he gives himself a chance. By the 4th set Medvedev was actually running around his forehand to hit defensive backhands. On what planet is that a winning strategy when fatigue is your biggest problem? Medvedev is described as one of the smartest players on tour, but his play in the 3rd and 4th sets when he still had a chance was anything but.
Agree.. I thought the same at the time.

The commentators also pointed out that Med was playing more safe from Set 3 onwards which is always risky against a player like Sinner. I think Med had his chances in the 3rd and 4th set. He just wasn't brave enough with them and was counting on Sinner giving it to him with errors.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
The tactic I'm talking mainly about is aggression when returning on the 2nd serve. From the outset Medvedev was playing near the lines, mainly wide to Sinner's forehand on second serve returns. He broke 3 times in the first set and a half doing it. We come to 4-4 Deuce on Sinner's serve in the 4th set. Medvedev's on fumes. Sinner's on a second serve. He hits a very neutral second serve to the centre of the box, which Medvedev pushes back defensively. Sinner then assumes control of the point and wins it.
What at that point did Medvedev believe his path to victory was? Based on the tactic adopted on that point (and many others) his only path to victory was Sinner giving him the match. If he rips a return, maybe he makes it, maybe he misses, but he gives himself a chance. By the 4th set Medvedev was actually running around his forehand to hit defensive backhands. On what planet is that a winning strategy when fatigue is your biggest problem? Medvedev is described as one of the smartest players on tour, but his play in the 3rd and 4th sets when he still had a chance was anything but.
I didn't know Med was considered a smart player. That garbage against Djokovic at USO last year made me think intelligence is hardly one of his strengths
 

mightyjeditribble

Hall of Fame
Just saw that Sinner only won 1 point more than Medvedev in the final. The match really was a tale of two halves, wasn't it? First two sets were 29-21 and 37-25 (!) in points for Medvedev. Sets 3-5 went to Sinner 32-26, 36-30, 28-19 in points.
 

paolo2143

Professional
Agree.. I thought the same at the time.

The commentators also pointed out that Med was playing more safe from Set 3 onwards which is always risky against a player like Sinner. I think Med had his chances in the 3rd and 4th set. He just wasn't brave enough with them and was counting on Sinner giving it to him with errors.
He didn't change his game radically in 3rd set but just on a few occasions played slighty safer but that is actually human nature.

Anyone who has ever played any kind of sport will tell you they have done similar one time or another. Even the big 3 did it on few occasions and particularly when playing one another. It is human nature when victory is within grasp to tighten up slightly and play slightly more passively as you are so close.

The big 3 and other greats do it less than others but as i said every sportsperson has done this at one time or another.

Also towards end of 2nd set his aggressive tactics were starting to be countered a bit more by Jannik and not as 100% effective as first set and a half
 

FedForGOAT

Professional
The tactic I'm talking mainly about is aggression when returning on the 2nd serve. From the outset Medvedev was playing near the lines, mainly wide to Sinner's forehand on second serve returns. He broke 3 times in the first set and a half doing it. We come to 4-4 Deuce on Sinner's serve in the 4th set. Medvedev's on fumes. Sinner's on a second serve. He hits a very neutral second serve to the centre of the box, which Medvedev pushes back defensively. Sinner then assumes control of the point and wins it.
What at that point did Medvedev believe his path to victory was? Based on the tactic adopted on that point (and many others) his only path to victory was Sinner giving him the match. If he rips a return, maybe he makes it, maybe he misses, but he gives himself a chance. By the 4th set Medvedev was actually running around his forehand to hit defensive backhands. On what planet is that a winning strategy when fatigue is your biggest problem? Medvedev is described as one of the smartest players on tour, but his play in the 3rd and 4th sets when he still had a chance was anything but.
Fair enough on the service return tactics. I agree that Medvedev was noticeably less aggressive on second serve returns later in the match.
However, in general, I don’t think that Jannik is getting enough credit for his own change of tactics to help turn the tide in the match. I wrote about this in my own thread, but to summarize:

– Sinner started hitting more centrally, and with more margin on his shots. Because of Daniil‘s flat strokes, he struggles with creating angles from the center of the court. This means that he couldn’t dictate the rallies like he did when they were going cross court. This means that they were stuck playing rallies that would wear Medvedev out. Also, because Sinner was hitting with more margin, he would often win these rallies.
– Jannik was struggling with meds first serve a lot early. He swallowed his pride and moved his return position way back.
– He also moved back his position early in the rallies. The first two sets he was hitting quite a few balls due to Medvedev’s skidding shots. By moving back, and not hitting the ball on the rice, he made it easier for him to time the ball. Once he got defensive shots from Daniil, then he moved up.
– Also, Jannik started serving better, getting more for serves in and being more effectively with them.
– finally, once Sinner’s groundstrokes got into a groove, his passes became significantly better, making net rushing for Medvedev a much less effective strategy.

None of this is to downplay Meddy’s obvious exhaustion, and the fact that he still could’ve been more aggressive.
But I feel that Sinner doesn’t get nearly the credit he deserves here for his tactical adjustments and improvements.
 

Nadal - GOAT

Hall of Fame
He didn't change his game radically in 3rd set but just on a few occasions played slighty safer but that is actually human nature.

Anyone who has ever played any kind of sport will tell you they have done similar one time or another. Even the big 3 did it on few occasions and particularly when playing one another. It is human nature when victory is within grasp to tighten up slightly and play slightly more passively as you are so close.

The big 3 and other greats do it less than others but as i said every sportsperson has done this at one time or another.

Also towards end of 2nd set his aggressive tactics were starting to be countered a bit more by Jannik and not as 100% effective as first set and a half
Agree with what you say..

It is natural to play safe especially when you are ahead. Though he also played safe on few pressure points on sinners serve. I think that let Sinner off.

Anyways I was rooting for Sinner and am happy with the outcome.
 

toby55555

Hall of Fame
He didn't change his game radically in 3rd set but just on a few occasions played slighty safer but that is actually human nature.

Anyone who has ever played any kind of sport will tell you they have done similar one time or another. Even the big 3 did it on few occasions and particularly when playing one another. It is human nature when victory is within grasp to tighten up slightly and play slightly more passively as you are so close.

The big 3 and other greats do it less than others but as i said every sportsperson has done this at one time or another.

Also towards end of 2nd set his aggressive tactics were starting to be countered a bit more by Jannik and not as 100% effective as first set and a half
Ronnie tends to play more percentage snooker when things start to go against him but he keeps attacking when ahead.
 

paolo2143

Professional
Agree.. I thought the same at the time.

The commentators also pointed out that Med was playing more safe from Set 3 onwards which is always risky against a player like Sinner. I think Med had his chances in the 3rd and 4th set. He just wasn't brave enough with them and was counting on Sinner giving it to him with errors.
He didn't change his game radically in 3rd set but just on a few occasions played slighty safer but that is actually human nature.

Anyone who has ever played any kind of sport will tell you they have done similar one time or another. Even the big 3 did it on few occasions and particularly when playing one another. It is human nature when victory is within grasp to tighten up slightly and play slightly more passively as you are so close.

The big 3 and other greats do it less than others but as i said every sportsperson has done this at one time or another.

Also towards end of 2nd set his aggressive tactics were starting to be countered a bit more by Jannik and not as 100% effective as first set and a half
Ronnie tends to play more percentage snooker when things start to go against him but he keeps attacking when ahead.
Yeah there is always an exception to the rule lol However in general i do think most players with exception of all time greats do tend to automatically play it that little bit safer when on verge of victory.

I don't even think it is a conscious action sometimes but rather just subconscious on some occasions.
 

doodlyd

Semi-Pro
I didn't know Med was considered a smart player. That garbage against Djokovic at USO last year made me think intelligence is hardly one of his strengths
maybe i need to tell you about Federer stupid slam loses were his tactic was as stupid as can be ?
 

llodra_fan

Professional
One area where Daniil Medvedev will seldom be defeated is the post-match press conference. This must be an incredibly tough pill to swallow, and I genuinely feel for him. Yet he showed up in the media room and was his usual chatty self: pleasant, frank, insightful and engaging.

A joy to listen to, kudos to this champion!

He always seemed a bit more mature than his age, even a few years ago. I think he could be a good coach after he retires as well.
 
Congratulations to Sinner on winning his maiden Grand Slam singles title and commiserations to Medvedev on narrowly missing out winning his 2nd for the 3rd time running.

In winning the 2024 Australian Open, Sinner becomes:

1. The 1st Italian player to win the Australian Open singles title.
2. The 1st maiden male winner of the Australian Open since Wawrinka (exactly 10 years ago).
3. The 2nd Italian man to win a Grand Slam singles title in the Open Era (after Panatta).
4. The 3rd Italian man in history to win a Grand Slam singles title (after Pietrangeli and Panatta).
5. One of 5 Italian players ever to win a Grand Slam singles title (along with Pietrangeli, Panatta, Schiavone and Pennetta).
6. The youngest man to win the Australian Open since Djokovic (2008).
7. The 2nd male player born this century to win a Grand Slam singles title (after Alcaraz).
8. One of 10 officially active male players to win at least 1 Grand Slam singles title.
9. The 58th male player in the Open Era to win at least 1 Grand Slam singles title.
10. The 153rd male player in history to win at least 1 Grand Slam singles title.
Who are the ten active guys? Djokovic, Nadal, Meddy, Sinner, Alcaraz after those guys im a little lost. Cilic, Stan, Murray, Thiem and who? Del Po? He's the only slam winner i can think of who could still possibly be active.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Who are the ten active guys? Djokovic, Nadal, Meddy, Sinner, Alcaraz after those guys im a little lost. Cilic, Stan, Murray, Thiem and who? Del Po? He's the only slam winner i can think of who could still possibly be active.

The 10 OFFICIALLY active Slam champions (ie. those who have not yet formally retired) are:

Djokovic, Nadal, Murray, Wawrinka, Alcaraz, Del Potro, Cilic, Thiem, Medvedev and Sinner.
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
The 10 OFFICIALLY active Slam champions (ie. those who have not yet formally retired) are:

Djokovic, Nadal, Murray, Wawrinka, Alcaraz, Del Potro, Cilic, Thiem, Medvedev and Sinner.
Top 9 active players in slam are

Djokovic Nadal Murray Wawrinka Raz Cilic Thiem Medvedev Sinner

Take out Cilic Murray Rinka now.

Actually top 6 are Djokovic Nadal Raz Thiem Medvedev SINNNER??
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
I really haven't engaged much with the post-match commentary since I slept right after the match and have been busy since. What's the view on Med's performance? He was up two sets, but I don't think he choked it or anything. And he seemed to try in some different stuff, which almost worked in the end. He did have that one break point which could have possibly enabled him to finish it, but who knows. Sinner then comes storming back.

I actually respect Med MORE after this AO run where he got through 3-five setters and lost in the final. His Slam final record looks even more dismal now at 1-5, but, hey, it's yet another Slam final. 1-0 looks better, but it really isn't; never mind all the good players who haven't even been in a final. Med has the ability to take out top players, and to take advantage of certain draws. He'll be a presence. The only problem for him is that it's usually a slog - and now with Sinner in full force - there's more players who can deal with him. Will be interesting to see if he eeks out another Slam during his career.

Sinner! Man, don't know what to say except that the beast is probably fully unleashed at this point. We knew he had the physical game, but (1) beating Novak decisively WITH a hiccup, and (2) coming back from two sets down and winning a five setter really exorcises a lot mental doubts/demons he may have had. Will be interesting to see how it all progresses. More Slams certainly, but it will be interesting to see how he deals with expectations and also when he has off days and how he gets through them (or doesn't). I hope he plays Alcaraz during the Sunshine Double so we can see a match soon between two young Slam champs.
 
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