Babolat POP tennis sensor

Scuoteguazza

New User
I have sent support a number of messages over the last two months. They have usually responded except for my most recent two messages which were sent in the last week. I'm up to 5 sessions that don't show. After tonight's match it went through the syncing process but when it was over there was nothing showing on the calendar. When I opened the activities page again all I get is the request to pair the POP again. I manually unpair then pair it but the data still doesn't show.

I'm using the iPhone 6 with iOS 9.2. The POP firmware is 6.36.2047. When I check the memory status it shows 0% used. The app version is 2.0.1.
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
I have sent support a number of messages over the last two months. They have usually responded except for my most recent two messages which were sent in the last week. I'm up to 5 sessions that don't show. After tonight's match it went through the syncing process but when it was over there was nothing showing on the calendar. When I opened the activities page again all I get is the request to pair the POP again. I manually unpair then pair it but the data still doesn't show.

I'm using the iPhone 6 with iOS 9.2. The POP firmware is 6.36.2047. When I check the memory status it shows 0% used. The app version is 2.0.1.
Thanks for that info. I will touch base with our development team and see what is going on. I do have to tell you that our Lyon office is closed until January 4th, so it may take some time.
 

MattUK

New User
I got the Pop for Christmas and have had good fun using it so far, but think that a big trick is being missed in not using the realtime capabilities of the unit. By this I mean that when for example you are completing a forehand challenge the app displays realtime PIQ data, how great would it be if you could view your strokes and see the specific data for each stroke? This would make the desirability and usefulness of the unit far higher imo.
A good average PIQ score is fun to achieve, but realising the PIQ score for individual strokes would be a fantastic aid to stroke development.
 

Robert F

Semi-Pro
I also got it for Christmas. It is a fun tool, but I'm still trying to figure out how much actual utility it will add to the game. It seems like we are at the heart rate level of information and for tennis you'd want an EKG to know how everything is truly functioning.

My 2 immediate wishes for the product (and maybe I missed a way to do the below):

1.) Be able to put notes to a session so that the values have more intrinsic meaning.
For example I did about 15 minutes of mini tennis in one session which I assume would lower the activity and average speed scores. Being able to look at the data and see why a session had less MPH might be helpful. If I could add notes that would be great.
Or being able to add backhand felt great etc.

2.) I wish it loaded quicker for better in session feedback. If I could break a 2 session into 4-6 mini sessions it may help me figure out how to adjust something.

For the price, it is of a pretty good value.
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
I also got it for Christmas. It is a fun tool, but I'm still trying to figure out how much actual utility it will add to the game. It seems like we are at the heart rate level of information and for tennis you'd want an EKG to know how everything is truly functioning.

My 2 immediate wishes for the product (and maybe I missed a way to do the below):

1.) Be able to put notes to a session so that the values have more intrinsic meaning.
For example I did about 15 minutes of mini tennis in one session which I assume would lower the activity and average speed scores. Being able to look at the data and see why a session had less MPH might be helpful. If I could add notes that would be great.
Or being able to add backhand felt great etc.

2.) I wish it loaded quicker for better in session feedback. If I could break a 2 session into 4-6 mini sessions it may help me figure out how to adjust something.

For the price, it is of a pretty good value.
Thank you both for this feedback. We really appreciate hearing your first hand experiences, and I know the development team will find this information invaluable! Again, thanks so much!
 

paul500w

Rookie
Babolat Official - Can you give an explanation on why Babolat went to the wrist band device instead of something that clipped onto the strings? I used to own the Play when it first came out and really thought it was something each racket would have and become the norm. I know the hit location is missing in the POP VS the Play and it seems like the amount of information is less.

Since you went with the wrist, I would have liked to seen an app that can be purchased from babolat for an iwatch or gear 2 that would track the same stuff and also give me the ability to keep score. i.e. I have a Samsung Gear 2 and have the app called "Wearable Match" which will allow me to keep score. There is another app called spin tennis that is supposed to track your swing but it next to useless, it would be great if Babolat did both.
 

cavok

New User
Any comments on the battery life?

My son got the PIQ sensor for Christmas and has been using it now a couple of times.

Should the sensor battery really last ~6 hours of play, as mentioned in the documentation? During the first sessions, I would say 2-3 hours would be closer, but there might be something wrong with our unit as the LED on the sensor never changes to green after charging, it just stays orange no matter how long it is charged. However, when checking with the Babolat app it does say 100% battery after charging.

I also realized today, that it seems that the sensor needs to connect to the phone always when starting the session - is this correct? The LED screen shows an image of a phone and if the phone is not nearby with bluetooth on, the sensor switches off. I wonder why is this?

Thanks in advance for any comments!

Lasse
 

Cisc

New User
I have got the POP for a few weeks now and I am disappointed by the amount of information it provides. What is the purpose of knowing how many forehands and backhands you hit in a match/training session? It would need to have a timeline of each strike and the speed for each of them, as well as the swing/style rating. Otherwise, it is just a gadget or at best a stat tool with no application for helping to improve the play.

Given that the sensor has an internal memory and various measurements capabilities, I do not think that there would be any issues having it record this kind of information, so it is a software (app) problem. I understand that it cannot compete with play, which will always have the advantage of indicating the racket hit location, but still more detailed information should be available. Edit activities should also be available and statistics for type of activity/duration.
 

Dan W

New User
Any comments on the battery life?

My son got the PIQ sensor for Christmas and has been using it now a couple of times.

Should the sensor battery really last ~6 hours of play, as mentioned in the documentation? During the first sessions, I would say 2-3 hours would be closer, but there might be something wrong with our unit as the LED on the sensor never changes to green after charging, it just stays orange no matter how long it is charged. However, when checking with the Babolat app it does say 100% battery after charging.

I also realized today, that it seems that the sensor needs to connect to the phone always when starting the session - is this correct? The LED screen shows an image of a phone and if the phone is not nearby with bluetooth on, the sensor switches off. I wonder why is this?

Thanks in advance for any comments!

Lasse
It sounds like you have the PIQ sensor with the LED display, correct? This thread is about the POP sensor, and battery life is quite good on the POP. I've never run it all the way down, but I probably would get 10 hours or more with the POP.

The POP will record without the phone near by. I don't know how the PIQ works.
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
Babolat Official - Can you give an explanation on why Babolat went to the wrist band device instead of something that clipped onto the strings? I used to own the Play when it first came out and really thought it was something each racket would have and become the norm. I know the hit location is missing in the POP VS the Play and it seems like the amount of information is less.

Since you went with the wrist, I would have liked to seen an app that can be purchased from babolat for an iwatch or gear 2 that would track the same stuff and also give me the ability to keep score. i.e. I have a Samsung Gear 2 and have the app called "Wearable Match" which will allow me to keep score. There is another app called spin tennis that is supposed to track your swing but it next to useless, it would be great if Babolat did both.
We decided to go the wearable route for several reasons. For one, having a wearable should minimally alter your playing style. It's worn like a wristband, so no unnecessary weight is added to your racket via a sensor. Moreover, wearables are becoming more and more commonplace today, and we wanted to introduce a wearable to the tennis industry.

Of course, the Play gives you more information, such as the serve ball speed and impact locator, but it obviously comes at a different price point.

Those are interesting suggestions regarding smartwatches. I'll take them to the product development team.

Any comments on the battery life?

My son got the PIQ sensor for Christmas and has been using it now a couple of times.

Should the sensor battery really last ~6 hours of play, as mentioned in the documentation? During the first sessions, I would say 2-3 hours would be closer, but there might be something wrong with our unit as the LED on the sensor never changes to green after charging, it just stays orange no matter how long it is charged. However, when checking with the Babolat app it does say 100% battery after charging.

I also realized today, that it seems that the sensor needs to connect to the phone always when starting the session - is this correct? The LED screen shows an image of a phone and if the phone is not nearby with bluetooth on, the sensor switches off. I wonder why is this?

Thanks in advance for any comments!

Lasse
Hi Lasse,

The POP should have 10 hours of playing time given a fully charged battery. However, it sounds like you have a PIQ multisport sensor, not the POP. For battery issues with that, I would reach out to PIQ directly.

If it's a POP, feel free to give our warranty department a call and they should be able to help you with the battery issues. 1-877-316-9435 xt 284. Again, the POP should last 10 hours fully charged.

I have got the POP for a few weeks now and I am disappointed by the amount of information it provides. What is the purpose of knowing how many forehands and backhands you hit in a match/training session? It would need to have a timeline of each strike and the speed for each of them, as well as the swing/style rating. Otherwise, it is just a gadget or at best a stat tool with no application for helping to improve the play.

Given that the sensor has an internal memory and various measurements capabilities, I do not think that there would be any issues having it record this kind of information, so it is a software (app) problem. I understand that it cannot compete with play, which will always have the advantage of indicating the racket hit location, but still more detailed information should be available. Edit activities should also be available and statistics for type of activity/duration.
I'm sorry to hear that the POP isn't quite meeting your needs. I appreciate the honest feedback, and I will share it with our development team.
 

cavok

New User
Hi Lasse,

The POP should have 10 hours of playing time given a fully charged battery. However, it sounds like you have a PIQ multisport sensor, not the POP. For battery issues with that, I would reach out to PIQ directly.

If it's a POP, feel free to give our warranty department a call and they should be able to help you with the battery issues. 1-877-316-9435 xt 284. Again, the POP should last 10 hours fully charged.
Ok, thanks for the clarification. Actually I did not realize originally that there are two versions of the product (or more like, two different products), I just placed the "pre-order" as soon as I heard about the product from PIQ.

Are there any other differencies between the POP and PIQ sensors, especially in the data they gather? I now understand they look a bit different (POP seems a bit slimmer), POP does not have the LED screen but it has better battery life (or we have a defective PIQ sensor). PIQ sensor can be used also in golf and skiing (for an extra charge, I believe), but that's irrelevant for us.

Thanks again,

Lasse
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
Ok, thanks for the clarification. Actually I did not realize originally that there are two versions of the product (or more like, two different products), I just placed the "pre-order" as soon as I heard about the product from PIQ.

Are there any other differencies between the POP and PIQ sensors, especially in the data they gather? I now understand they look a bit different (POP seems a bit slimmer), POP does not have the LED screen but it has better battery life (or we have a defective PIQ sensor). PIQ sensor can be used also in golf and skiing (for an extra charge, I believe), but that's irrelevant for us.

Thanks again,

Lasse
Functionality wise, at least in regards to tennis, the two are the same. They provide the same data and both actually use the same app. The differences between the two, of course, are the LED screen on the PIQ and the fact that the PIQ is a multisport sensor whereas POP is tennis specific.
 

Dan W

New User
I would imagine the accuracy of the sensor is tied in part to how tightly it is held to your wrist. I typically keep my POP band fairly tight so that the movements of my arm and impacts to the racket are completely transferred to the sensor. Wristbands and even wearables are worn a bit looser, and if they move with respect to your arm while you swing/hit, there would be some error in the recorded data. At least that's my story, and I'm sticking to it :)
 

Robert F

Semi-Pro
I would imagine the accuracy of the sensor is tied in part to how tightly it is held to your wrist. I typically keep my POP band fairly tight so that the movements of my arm and impacts to the racket are completely transferred to the sensor. Wristbands and even wearables are worn a bit looser, and if they move with respect to your arm while you swing/hit, there would be some error in the recorded data. At least that's my story, and I'm sticking to it :)
I'm sure some tightness would have a little more accuracy but I think there are already some approximations being done to estimate the racket speed that this product is good to give you a target to improve upon but it may not be exactly right from the start. I just hope if you wear it the same way that there isn't much variance in what is measured from session to session. So if in one session my average MPH is 50 and the next one it is 52 there is a true differenc.

If you have huge wrists and big hands the sensor may be relatively farther away from the racket than someone who has small hands/wrists. Hence if both player read 50MPH, isn't the one who has the sensor farthest from the racquet actually going to have more real racquet speed?
 

TkDodo

New User
@BabolatOfficial

I got myself the Babolat POP as an early christmas present and have been playing various sessions with it. I really like the product, given that I can use it with every racket. The data also seems to be quite accurate. Thanks for a great product!

However, I am _really_ interested in statistics of my play, all sorts of them. The Babolat POP lets me enter lots of data on a session, but there is no way of making statistics on them (apart from the ones that are shown in the “Activity”). I can think of tons of statistics that would be interesting for me, e.g.:

.) How is the speed of my forehand on clay vs hardcourt ?
.) How am I serving when I felt “great” vs “injured” ?
.) How did I play differently in matches that I lost vs. matches that I won ?

The possibilities seem endless, and of course, you can’t put all possible statistics into one little app. Being a software developer myself, I know how hard it is to meet the demands of different sorts of customers - everybody wants something different.

I assume that every stroke is recorded and that the data is available internally. Making that data publicly available would be an easy way for people to make statistics outside of the app for themselves. A simple API to retrieve that data (timestamp, some data on the session, some data on the stroke) would be enough to make great statistics, e.g. in Excel. Even a “Send me a mail with my data” button that sends a CSV file containing the data would be enough (and also quite easy to implement I believe).

People have been asking about the “value” of that product, apart from the “fun” aspect. For me, it would be learning as much as I can about my play, and I can’t really do that with the features the app provides. The Dashboard and the graphics on each session look nice, and the PIQ score is certainly “fun”, but it won’t help me improve my game if I can’t access the data in more detail.

Also, another relatively easy thing to improve: You cannot change any data of a qualified session. If you mistype (e.g. a qualify something as “Training” that should have been an “Open Session”), there is no way of changing that. Forgot to enter a score on your match? Bad Luck…

Thanks for being open to improvement suggestions,
TkDodo
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
@BabolatOfficial

I got myself the Babolat POP as an early christmas present and have been playing various sessions with it. I really like the product, given that I can use it with every racket. The data also seems to be quite accurate. Thanks for a great product!

However, I am _really_ interested in statistics of my play, all sorts of them. The Babolat POP lets me enter lots of data on a session, but there is no way of making statistics on them (apart from the ones that are shown in the “Activity”). I can think of tons of statistics that would be interesting for me, e.g.:

.) How is the speed of my forehand on clay vs hardcourt ?
.) How am I serving when I felt “great” vs “injured” ?
.) How did I play differently in matches that I lost vs. matches that I won ?

The possibilities seem endless, and of course, you can’t put all possible statistics into one little app. Being a software developer myself, I know how hard it is to meet the demands of different sorts of customers - everybody wants something different.

I assume that every stroke is recorded and that the data is available internally. Making that data publicly available would be an easy way for people to make statistics outside of the app for themselves. A simple API to retrieve that data (timestamp, some data on the session, some data on the stroke) would be enough to make great statistics, e.g. in Excel. Even a “Send me a mail with my data” button that sends a CSV file containing the data would be enough (and also quite easy to implement I believe).

People have been asking about the “value” of that product, apart from the “fun” aspect. For me, it would be learning as much as I can about my play, and I can’t really do that with the features the app provides. The Dashboard and the graphics on each session look nice, and the PIQ score is certainly “fun”, but it won’t help me improve my game if I can’t access the data in more detail.

Also, another relatively easy thing to improve: You cannot change any data of a qualified session. If you mistype (e.g. a qualify something as “Training” that should have been an “Open Session”), there is no way of changing that. Forgot to enter a score on your match? Bad Luck…

Thanks for being open to improvement suggestions,
TkDodo
I'm glad you enjoy using the POP, and thank you so much for this feedback. This forum has always been full of gear heads and technical people, so it's great to see someone who clearly has a passion and knack for software developing and programming who wants to see where he can take tennis. I can't guarantee that we'll be able to make the data available right away, but I will share your ideas with the development team. :)
 

Robert F

Semi-Pro
Is there anyway to delete a session that has been saved?
Being an idiot I saved a session that was actually me walking around after playing for 2 hours (I kept it on to download the tennis but was walking around so it started a new session?). So it recorded me hitting 20 forehand volleys even though I was walking through a grocery store before I remembered to turn it off.

When I saw the 20 minute session I just thought it was part of the hitting session so I saved it instead of deleting it. Obviously in the future I will look at the data before saving.
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
Is there anyway to delete a session that has been saved?
Being an idiot I saved a session that was actually me walking around after playing for 2 hours (I kept it on to download the tennis but was walking around so it started a new session?). So it recorded me hitting 20 forehand volleys even though I was walking through a grocery store before I remembered to turn it off.

When I saw the 20 minute session I just thought it was part of the hitting session so I saved it instead of deleting it. Obviously in the future I will look at the data before saving.
I'll check with the development team on specifics of deleting sessions. I know that you can't edit a validated session after the fact.

Am I allowed to tell them that exact story though? :)
 

joeyz101

New User
@BabolatOfficial

Thanks for a great product. I have used POP now during 4 tennis matches and I really love seeing the data and comparing it to past matches.

Just like @TkDodo , having access to the more detailed data from each match would make this product infinitely more valuable for me !

Do you have any feedback from the development team after conveying TkDodo's request for a simple API to retrieve session data so users can analyze outside of the app ?

Thank you again - I am sure others are eager to stay up to date on the possibility of this request.

Have a great day !

joeyz101
 

joeyz101

New User
@BabolatOfficial

Thanks for a great product. I have used POP now during 4 tennis matches and I really love seeing the data and comparing it to past matches.

Just like @TkDodo , having access to the more detailed data from each match would make this product infinitely more valuable for me !

Do you have any feedback from the development team after conveying TkDodo's request for a simple API to retrieve session data so users can analyze outside of the app ?

Thank you again - I am sure others are eager to stay up to date on the possibility of this request.

Have a great day !

joeyz101
@BabolatOfficial any update on my post above ?
 

dekko1

Semi-Pro
For the POP users,
I am a coach, do you guys POP can be used as a coaching tool?
I was thinking about mostly comparing values taken from when a player practices and plays matches. This maybe could be used with other variables such as how the player played a match, if match was won or lost... Maybe pop numbers could help seeing what went right or wrong in the match, help in seeing patterns. For ex, avg speed of serve is higher in most won matches. Number of volleys less in defeats....
Would this type of thing be possible with pop?
 

Dan W

New User
@dekko1, it would be well suited to comparative analysis. I find comparing my hitting lane numbers to my match numbers informative, and it shows how much more conservative I am in matches.

It's less suited to qualitative analysis as the absolute numbers are only approximations of actual ball speed, and there are no RPM numbers.
 

Robert F

Semi-Pro
Is the PIQ score heavily weighed by ground strokes? I had a training session today and 2/3 of it was focused on volleys. Compared to my regualar hitting session my PIQ score was 1/3 of what it normally is for that session. Wondering if a volley focused session isn't worth saving?

Also it would be nice if when you enter a match you can enter the score.
 
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Dan W

New User
Is the PIQ score heavily weighed by ground strokes? I had a training session today and 2/3 of it was focused on volleys. Compared to my regualar hitting session my PIQ score was 1/3 of what it normally is for that session. Wondering if a volley focused session isn't worth saving?

Also it would be nice if when you enter a match you can enter the score.
I had asked this before. I believe only groundstrokes are used to calculate speed/spin/style, and thus your PIQ score. Volleys, serves, and smashes aren't used.

You can enter the set scores when you log match (i.e. 6-4, 6-2). Is that what you're asking?
 

Robert F

Semi-Pro
I had asked this before. I believe only groundstrokes are used to calculate speed/spin/style, and thus your PIQ score. Volleys, serves, and smashes aren't used.

You can enter the set scores when you log match (i.e. 6-4, 6-2). Is that what you're asking?
For the POP I didn't see a clear spot for the score. I click on win/lose and then can enter the opponent. Maybe I'm missing something obvious? I'll go slower next time.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Thanks for all the responses.

My conclusion regarding value is: only for fun.

I would never ever take any valuable input from the indicators provided.
Don't you think you're being a little tough on it. Or not thinking about all the use cases. I could see the data being very valuable to beginners/intermediates who are going to make significant changes to their strokes and want to see the progress; i.e. take some data with the current strokes and compare as the new stroke mechanics are incorporated.

I get 100x more technical, tactical, etc insight just from watching myself play from a recorded video. So it's much more valuable than the sensor
True. I think if (more likely only a matter of time so 'when') you could have the data saved with/on the video, that would be the ultimate training tool.
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
@BabolatOfficial

I got myself the Babolat POP as an early christmas present and have been playing various sessions with it. I really like the product, given that I can use it with every racket. The data also seems to be quite accurate. Thanks for a great product!

However, I am _really_ interested in statistics of my play, all sorts of them. The Babolat POP lets me enter lots of data on a session, but there is no way of making statistics on them (apart from the ones that are shown in the “Activity”). I can think of tons of statistics that would be interesting for me, e.g.:

.) How is the speed of my forehand on clay vs hardcourt ?
.) How am I serving when I felt “great” vs “injured” ?
.) How did I play differently in matches that I lost vs. matches that I won ?

The possibilities seem endless, and of course, you can’t put all possible statistics into one little app. Being a software developer myself, I know how hard it is to meet the demands of different sorts of customers - everybody wants something different.

I assume that every stroke is recorded and that the data is available internally. Making that data publicly available would be an easy way for people to make statistics outside of the app for themselves. A simple API to retrieve that data (timestamp, some data on the session, some data on the stroke) would be enough to make great statistics, e.g. in Excel. Even a “Send me a mail with my data” button that sends a CSV file containing the data would be enough (and also quite easy to implement I believe).

People have been asking about the “value” of that product, apart from the “fun” aspect. For me, it would be learning as much as I can about my play, and I can’t really do that with the features the app provides. The Dashboard and the graphics on each session look nice, and the PIQ score is certainly “fun”, but it won’t help me improve my game if I can’t access the data in more detail.

Also, another relatively easy thing to improve: You cannot change any data of a qualified session. If you mistype (e.g. a qualify something as “Training” that should have been an “Open Session”), there is no way of changing that. Forgot to enter a score on your match? Bad Luck…

Thanks for being open to improvement suggestions,
TkDodo
I've talked to our development team, and at the moment, there are no plans to retrieve and extract the data.
 

atp2015

Hall of Fame
I hit around 100 shots in a session. POP says 6 FH and 11 BH shots had top spin and the remaining were flat shots. And the spin is 21%. Is 21 the percentage of shots with spin or the amount of spin in a shot? If it's the amount of spin and 21% is the percentage? What does 100% percent spin represent? Is it the max vertical speed(spin) possible ?
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
Is there anyway to delete a session that has been saved?
Being an idiot I saved a session that was actually me walking around after playing for 2 hours (I kept it on to download the tennis but was walking around so it started a new session?). So it recorded me hitting 20 forehand volleys even though I was walking through a grocery store before I remembered to turn it off.

When I saw the 20 minute session I just thought it was part of the hitting session so I saved it instead of deleting it. Obviously in the future I will look at the data before saving.
I looked into this, and unfortunately, there's no way to delete a saved session. One reason for this is so that people do not only save their best sessions and delete old ones to pad their scores.

I hit around 100 shots in a session. POP says 6 FH and 11 BH shots had top spin and the remaining were flat shots. And the spin is 21%. Is 21 the percentage of shots with spin or the amount of spin in a shot? If it's the amount of spin and 21% is the percentage? What does 100% percent spin represent? Is it the max vertical speed(spin) possible ?
The percentage is the rating for the spin of your shot, not necessarily the number of topspin shots. Spin is measured based on the speed of the sensor and the verticality of your swing path.

100% would represent the max measurement for spin. That said, there's no direct way to correlate spin % with RPM as there are many other variables to take into consideration, like strings, string pattern, racket, weather, etc.
 

Robert F

Semi-Pro
I looked into this, and unfortunately, there's no way to delete a saved session. One reason for this is so that people do not only save their best sessions and delete old ones to pad their scores.

Thanks.
No big deal. I've learned to look at a session before I save it to make sure it recorded right.

Have you guys figured a way to give the volleys more credit for the PIQ score?
If I have a training session focused on volleys or play doubles, my PIQ sinks by 1000 points or more. Seems like that would be unfair to serve and volleyers.
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
I did not realize that playing many volleys reduced scores that much. I'll talk to the development team and share this feedback.


Thanks again for the continued feedback!
 

atp2015

Hall of Fame
I had a live ball session with only volleys. Pop did not register a single volley out of more than 50. But I hit 2 forehand and 2 serves, it recorded them fine. How do I make volleys show up in pop?
I must say something about topspin. It registered very low on FH and BH topspin was fine. I did some shadow strokes on my FH, and figured out I was not dropping the racket head as much as I thought I did. Corrected the drop during shadow stroke practice and recorded a live ball session. Top spin on FH almost doubled (though the shots are not deep as they used to be before).

Back to volleys. Why is it not registering them?
 
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Robert F

Semi-Pro
Any chance you guys can sell additional wrist bands that hold the sensor? When I play 2 hours, it's super sweaty and now some of the seams are starting to rip. Having 3 or 4 bands would be great while I have one in the wash.
 

atp2015

Hall of Fame
Any chance you guys can sell additional wrist bands that hold the sensor? When I play 2 hours, it's super sweaty and now some of the seams are starting to rip. Having 3 or 4 bands would be great while I have one in the wash.
Agree, need the extras right now.
 

Dan W

New User
I had a live ball session with only volleys. Pop did not register a single volley out of more than 50. But I hit 2 forehand and 2 serves, it recorded them fine. How do I make volleys show up in pop?
I must say something about topspin. It registered very low on FH and BH topspin was fine. I did some shadow strokes on my FH, and figured out I was not dropping the racket head as much as I thought I did. Corrected the drop during shadow stroke practice and recorded a live ball session. Top spin on FH almost doubled (though the shots are not deep as they used to be before).

Back to volleys. Why is it not registering them?
I haven't seen such a large issue with volleys. Are your volley sessions at a fast pace, rapid fire volley returns like the "Boris Becker Drill" I had an instructor do to me once?

Another user had an issue with shots not being registered at all, and it was because he was hitting at such a high pace, the sensor algorithm didn't consider them valid shots. It expects some minimal time between shots.
 

atp2015

Hall of Fame
I haven't seen such a large issue with volleys. Are your volley sessions at a fast pace, rapid fire volley returns like the "Boris Becker Drill" I had an instructor do to me once?

Another user had an issue with shots not being registered at all, and it was because he was hitting at such a high pace, the sensor algorithm didn't consider them valid shots. It expects some minimal time between shots.
It showed 32 FH and 19 BH for 50 volleys. But all of them were volleys with 7 seconds ball machine delay. Strange...
 

Babolat Official

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I had a live ball session with only volleys. Pop did not register a single volley out of more than 50. But I hit 2 forehand and 2 serves, it recorded them fine. How do I make volleys show up in pop?
I must say something about topspin. It registered very low on FH and BH topspin was fine. I did some shadow strokes on my FH, and figured out I was not dropping the racket head as much as I thought I did. Corrected the drop during shadow stroke practice and recorded a live ball session. Top spin on FH almost doubled (though the shots are not deep as they used to be before).

Back to volleys. Why is it not registering them?
Regarding topspin, did you find you were hitting with more spin than before? The topspin measure is based on verticality of the stroke and swing speed.

As for the volleys, i'm not sure what is occurring. I'm assuming you have the sensor oriented correctly?

Any chance you guys can sell additional wrist bands that hold the sensor? When I play 2 hours, it's super sweaty and now some of the seams are starting to rip. Having 3 or 4 bands would be great while I have one in the wash.
At the moment, we do not have standalone wristbands, but we're working on it.

It showed 32 FH and 19 BH for 50 volleys. But all of them were volleys with 7 seconds ball machine delay. Strange...
Very odd. I'll check in with the development team.
 

atp2015

Hall of Fame
I tried some more volleys with much shorter racket movement and did not see anything different. All of them showed as FH or BH. My usual volley has a longish movement (5-6 feet) and I thought it might have confused POP. A much shorter punching motion with 2 feet max did not alter the result. I was wearing the sensor the way it's explained in TW video on youtube.
 

Choachy

New User
I've had my Pop since Christmas. I've saved 19 sessions to it that consist of open session and matches. I've had opposite results as some others here in regards to volleys. 90% of my playing is doubles, which I know can affect some of the stats, but my Pop seems to record far more volleys than what I actually hit, whether I am playing singles or doubles.

For example, I played singles recently and over a 2 set match, I came into the net maybe 5 times. My Pop said I had 102 volleys. That is no where close to what it should have been.

My main playing partner has a couple Babolat Play racquets, so Im going to let him wear my Pop so we can compare data.

Could you also speak on how data may differ between doubles and singles play? I've been told that the time between shots can effect how overheads are recorded versus serves?
 

TkDodo

New User
I've talked to our development team, and at the moment, there are no plans to retrieve and extract the data.
Well that's too bad. But thanks for your effort in asking the dev team, and maybe you can schedule it for the future :)

On another note, I was playing yesterday after the firmware update to fix the volley issues. I didn't care too much, but the POP always showed too many volleys. Yesterday though, everything seemed spot on. Great job on that update!
However, I also noticed that speed on serves was significantly lower (about 20 km/h on the average as well as the max speed) than in previous sessions. Could of course have been me just serving badly, but it didn't feel that way, so I just wanted to ask if maybe you changed something in that update as well to make serve speeds more realistic? They always seemed a bit too high anyways ...
 

joeyz101

New User
Question for everyone here: because of Babolat POP have you noticed a significant difference in your serve and ground-stroke speed when playing with new strings vs. dead strings ?

For the last 1.5 months I have been using POP with dead strings. I just strung another racquet and I am very excited to see if the difference POP records for me if at all.

Thanks everyone,

joeyz101
 

atp2015

Hall of Fame
Question for everyone here: because of Babolat POP have you noticed a significant difference in your serve and ground-stroke speed when playing with new strings vs. dead strings ?

For the last 1.5 months I have been using POP with dead strings. I just strung another racquet and I am very excited to see if the difference POP records for me if at all.

Thanks everyone,

joeyz101
I do not think string will make a direct difference. If you swing down differently with the new string, it might see some change.
Pop is all about racket speed and orientation as measured on your arm. It does not know if you are hitting the sweet spot, does it?
 

atp2015

Hall of Fame
On the volley issue, POP recorded a few volleys when I played an actual match. The number is way less than the actual. In a 2 set match, it recorded total 300 shots - 50 serves, 145 FH, 95 BH and 8 volleys and 2 OH. I'm pretty sure there more volleys and OHs - came to the net often and had one crazy point with 4 volleys in it. Definitely there's something wrong with volley calculation in POP. @Babloat Offical - it's critical issue to resolve - please escalate this to your development team. Almost everyone seems to have an issue with volleys.
 
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