Backhand Slice Drive

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I'm looking for tips on how to hit backhand slice DRIVE? My regular backhand slice are deep,floats low and turns but i'm interested in learning penetrating backhand slice. I see guys hit BH slice that kinda skids and penetrate without losing pace.
 
I'll check back later, but one quick thought is to reinforce the idea that the bh slice is rather counterintuitive. To drive the ball, it's important to make contact a little further back beside you. If the ball is floating, that's typically the result of catching the ball too far out ahead of us where the racquet face opens up too much. Try a couple of slow-motion slices and watch the progression of the racquet face. It usually starts out less open when it's beside us, but can eventually face almost straight up later in the stroke.

Weight transfer onto the front foot is also vital - this needs to happen before the stroke, not during the stroke as we might do with a forehand or two-handed backhand. Get deliberately onto that front and then let it go - your gripping hand leads the racquet the entire way.
 
fuzz nation said:
I'll check back later, but one quick thought is to reinforce the idea that the bh slice is rather counterintuitive. To drive the ball, it's important to make contact a little further back beside you. If the ball is floating, that's typically the result of catching the ball too far out ahead of us where the racquet face opens up too much. Try a couple of slow-motion slices and watch the progression of the racquet face. It usually starts out less open when it's beside us, but can eventually face almost straight up later in the stroke.

Weight transfer onto the front foot is also vital - this needs to happen before the stroke, not during the stroke as we might do with a forehand or two-handed backhand. Get deliberately onto that front and then let it go - your gripping hand leads the racquet the entire way.
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ditto.
I had to experiement with making contact later (relative to my front hip).
Also, can you self feed a drive slice? If so, note where you're making contact. Note the shape of your swing (i used to cut down too steeply at some point).
Lastly what kind of incoming ball are you trying to slice on.. i find flattish balls that stay knee to waist height are best for me to slice drive... moon balls, loopy balls, etc... I find I tend to float.
 
I think the hard drive bh slice is not really that much slice. I think it is more flat than slice.
No doubt it is a slice, its not flat, but it is almost like incidental slice. When I hit it my mental picture is a slice motion where I'm hitt through the ball, not slicing the ball. Not dissimilar to a bh volley with with a full stroke added.
 
Racquet face in a slice begins open, closes to near vertical as you make contact, and does not open again until the follow through. Contact point depth is the same on both a knifing anti-topspin, Federer/Rafter style slice, and on a traditional Rosewall drive: just in front of the lead foot. Racquet face should be nearly vertical, or very slightly open on either. A little more open if contact point is especially low, of course, so you can clear the net.

The major difference between the two lies only in the swing path. From over the shoulder, more downward for a modern slice, and from somewhat lower, swung in a more linear, straight-ahead fashion for a Rosewall slice.
 
TupeloDanger said:
Racquet face in a slice begins open, closes to near vertical as you make contact, and does not open again until the follow through. Contact point depth is the same on both a knifing anti-topspin, Federer/Rafter style slice, and on a traditional Rosewall drive: just in front of the lead foot. Racquet face should be nearly vertical, or very slightly open on either. A little more open if contact point is especially low, of course, so you can clear the net.

The major difference between the two lies only in the swing path. From over the shoulder, more downward for a modern slice, and from somewhat lower, swung in a more linear, straight-ahead fashion for a Rosewall slice.
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Nicely put, especially about the vertical racquet face at contact point. There's got to be some supination going on in the forearm to make this happen, I suppose.

I am not consistent at all with this stroke but every once in a while I hit really nice ones. Thinking of slapping the ball flat and driving it with a little slice helps me hit these well. Still, I'm just very inconsistent with this.
 
scotus said:
Nicely put, especially about the vertical racquet face at contact point. There's got to be some supination going on in the forearm to make this happen, I suppose.

I am not consistent at all with this stroke but every once in a while I hit really nice ones. Thinking of slapping the ball flat and driving it with a little slice helps me hit these well. Still, I'm just very inconsistent with this.
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The forearm should play very little role, here. Lock that wrist, straighten the arm, and get a continental grip. Turn sideways to the net (imaginary net in your living room is fine) and just hold the racquet out in front of you to see where the natural point is that the racquet face is nearly vertical. Like you're about to knight somebody using a continental grip. That point for most people will be a few inches to a foot closer to the net than your front foot. That'll be your contact point.

From there, go in reverse. Hold the throat with your off hand, and take the racquet back up, and over your rear shoulder, keeping the racquet wrist firm, allowing your shoulders to rotate as you go. The elbow will bend a little, but the wrist remains firm. Then, back to the "knighting position" via the forward swing. Swing from the shoulder, keep the wrist firm, let the elbow straighten, contact a few inches in front of that foot with straight arm and firm wrist. It's very much a shoulder swing. Extend the non-hitting arm backward for balance. Repeat until grooved.
 
scotus said:
Hit it like this woman.
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Her recommendation for racket face angle at contact is bizarrely off. Tupelo has it right in post #7.

If you want a knifing, driving slice, swing faster. And, since you want a near vertical racket face at contact, a more steeply downward stroke is necessary for creating serious spin. And, if skid is what you want, the ball needs to approach the ground at an angle of 20° or less - which can happen with that combo of swing path and racket face angle. You just need a frame wider than 9 inches (like Rosewall had) in order to keep from framing it.
 
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mntlblok said:
Her recommendation for racket face angle at contact is bizarrely off. Tupelo has it right post #7.

If you want a knifing, driving slice, swing faster. And, since you want a near vertical racket face at contact, a more steeply downward stroke is necessary for creating serious spin. And, if skid is what you want, the ball needs to approach the ground at an angle of 20° or less - which can happen with that combo of swing path and racket face angle. You just need a frame wider than 9 inches (like Rosewall had) in order to keep from framing it.
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Her explanation is off, but if you see her contact point at slow speed, she does it correctly.
 
TupeloDanger said:
The forearm should play very little role, here. Lock that wrist, straighten the arm, and get a continental grip. Turn sideways to the net (imaginary net in your living room is fine) and just hold the racquet out in front of you to see where the natural point is that the racquet face is nearly vertical. Like you're about to knight somebody using a continental grip. That point for most people will be a few inches to a foot closer to the net than your front foot. That'll be your contact point.

From there, go in reverse. Hold the throat with your off hand, and take the racquet back up, and over your rear shoulder, keeping the racquet wrist firm, allowing your shoulders to rotate as you go. The elbow will bend a little, but the wrist remains firm. Then, back to the "knighting position" via the forward swing. Swing from the shoulder, keep the wrist firm, let the elbow straighten, contact a few inches in front of that foot with straight arm and firm wrist. It's very much a shoulder swing. Extend the non-hitting arm backward for balance. Repeat until grooved.
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Not sure if I understand it completely, but will read it a few more times and give it a go. Thanks.
 
scotus said:
Nicely put, especially about the vertical racquet face at contact point. There's got to be some supination going on in the forearm to make this happen, I suppose.
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I'm convinced that most of the squaring up (of the racket face) comes from rotation around the humerus's axis (upper arm). Think they call that external rotation. All the slow motion videos I've watched shows the hitting arm's biceps go from facing the back fence in the back swing to facing the sky at contact. I'm also convinced that that is where a lot of the racket speed comes from for the "hit" in backhand slices and volleys.
 
scotus said:
Hit it like this woman.
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If video is what I think it is, then God, is that video infuriating. Tells you to not slice down but slice under the ball as if it were a block of butter, then proceeds to slice down on every ball in her actual demonstration. I think she also said that no pro actually cuts down at the ball, when pretty much every pro does it, the poster child being the mighty Federer himself.


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scotus said:
Her explanation is off, but if you see her contact point at slow speed, she does it correctly.
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Right, in her actual shot. Interestingly, almost every description of this shot on the web makes the same error. https://www.flickr.com/photos/mentalblock/albums/72157648081807484 It would seem that they would go to the trouble of looking at their own slow motion videos of their actual strokes, eh?

I've had good success teaching friends and family to hit slices and volleys by using this open to square thought. Key also, though, is to have the hand traveling high to low.
 
phnx90 said:
If video is what I think it is, then God, is that video infuriating. Tells you to not slice down but slice under the ball as if it were a block of butter, then proceeds to slice down on every ball in her actual demonstration. I think she also said that no pro actually cuts down at the ball, when pretty much every pro does it, the poster child being the mighty Federer himself.


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Yeah, video learnin' ain't bad. But stick to reputable sources until you're able to tell for yourself what's good and what's bad.
 
nothinButTennis said:
I'm looking for tips on how to hit backhand slice DRIVE? My regular backhand slice are deep,floats low and turns but i'm interested in learning penetrating backhand slice. I see guys hit BH slice that kinda skids and penetrate without losing pace.
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A nearly level swing, almost parallel to the ground, with a slightly open racquet face at contact will produce a drive slice. Rosewall hit the quintessential drive slice backhand. Here is a gif of Rosewall's backhand. Notice the closed stance, shoulder turn and the contact point back behind his lead foot.

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Here's a side view of a young Rosewall backhand. His contact is more out front because he is hitting cross court.

http://makeagif.com/D12eSV
 
nothinButTennis said:
I'm looking for tips on how to hit backhand slice DRIVE? My regular backhand slice are deep,floats low and turns but i'm interested in learning penetrating backhand slice. I see guys hit BH slice that kinda skids and penetrate without losing pace.
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Extend the hitting arm out all the way with pace and power. Lack of extension creates power gap.
 
Y'day i attempted to self feed very few balls but didn't go well may be i didn't put enough time.
I'm planning to try with wall later....btw, these are two focus area right?
1. Contact further back - so that racquet face is not open
2. Early weight transfer to front foot
anything else to add to the list?
 
TupeloDanger said:
The forearm should play very little role, here. Lock that wrist, straighten the arm, and get a continental grip. Turn sideways to the net (imaginary net in your living room is fine) and just hold the racquet out in front of you to see where the natural point is that the racquet face is nearly vertical. Like you're about to knight somebody using a continental grip. That point for most people will be a few inches to a foot closer to the net than your front foot. That'll be your contact point.

From there, go in reverse. Hold the throat with your off hand, and take the racquet back up, and over your rear shoulder, keeping the racquet wrist firm, allowing your shoulders to rotate as you go. The elbow will bend a little, but the wrist remains firm. Then, back to the "knighting position" via the forward swing. Swing from the shoulder, keep the wrist firm, let the elbow straighten, contact a few inches in front of that foot with straight arm and firm wrist. It's very much a shoulder swing. Extend the non-hitting arm backward for balance. Repeat until grooved.
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I disagree about the forearm playing little role. Forearm supination and pronation is a main source of racquet head speed in all 1 handed backhands.
 
1. Contact further back - so that racquet face is not open
2. Early weight transfer to front foot
3. level swing

Hitting arm extn, I'm leaving out for now but will keep in mind coz i do that regular BH slice too.
 
Limpinhitter said:
I disagree about the forearm playing little role. Forearm supination and pronation is a main source of racquet head speed in all 1 handed backhands.
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Again, it does so little good helping people when others are eager to jump in with bad information.

Which I guess sends the OP back to slow motion YouTube to confirm what I said.
 
TupeloDanger said:
Again, it does so little good helping people when others are eager to jump in with bad information.

Which I guess sends the OP back to slow motion YouTube to confirm what I said.
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If you are saying that my comment, that forearm pronation and supination are a main source of racquet head speed in all 1 handed backhands, is bad information, then we will have to disagree about that.
 
Limpinhitter said:
A nearly level swing, almost parallel to the ground, with a slightly open racquet face at contact will produce a drive slice. Rosewall hit the quintessential drive slice backhand. Here is a gif of Rosewall's backhand. Notice the closed stance, shoulder turn and the contact point back behind his lead foot.


Here's a side view of a young Rosewall backhand. His contact is more out front because he is hitting cross court.

http://makeagif.com/D12eSV
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Cool GIF at that URL. Wish it were in slow motion, or at least could be "freeze framed". The racket face tilt changes so much that it's difficult to tell what's happening with the swing path. And, in real time, I think it makes it "look" like the swing is flatter than it actually is. I've tried to mark with my cursor arrow where the wood of the racket shaft meets the racket head from the start of the forward swing to where it is at contact. Did the same with his hand. I believe both go from at least above the level of his waist band down to the bottom of his shorts. Certainly not steeply downward, but far from flat. It would be very interesting to see what that swing would do against a ball with a ton of topspin on it, though. I believe that is a lot of the reason that we now see more steeply downward strokes in our slice shots. Think I'll go play a bit with the Shot Maker Tool in TW University.

Oh, and post #19 reminded me of a recent key that I keep forgetting that helps me drive my backhand slice harder and deeper. Snapping my elbow straight along with a higher/bigger back swing yields a harder, deeper shot.
 
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Since the forearm is moving into line with the upper arm in one of those "double pendulum" moves on a slice backhand, it's tricky (to me) to see how much of the squaring up of the racket face comes from each segment. I suspect that it's some of both.

Interestingly, it "feels" - even to me, unless I'm thinking about it - that racket face remains pretty open through the backhand slice stroke. Video proves otherwise.
 
mntlblok said:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mentalblock/28745379965/in/album-72157650697596641/ Used a 20° downward stroke with a 6° open face for both the red and yellow ball. The only input difference was the yellow ball had 3000 rpm's of topspin and the red one had only 500.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/mentalblock/28640365512/in/album-72157650697596641/ here the swing path for the yellow ball is 15° more steeply downward.

I'm always suggesting to friends who wendge (Aussie for "whine", I recently learnt) about their slice backhands floating, to take a higher back swing so that they can swing more steeply downward. Works most every time. It's also one of my major swing keys when trying to deal with a heavy serve from one of those young punks. :-)
 
For those who did not like her "lesson", here is a slow motion video of her hitting without any explanation:

 
This video above from the top speed guy trumpets the same fallacy that the slice is the same for the current pros as for the average player. My advice is to disregard. Or better don't watch. Sorry Mental! Look at his racket head staying below the wrist in the followthrough. A classic example of misleading counterproductive internet info. Thank god he doesn't go into the "scientific" reasons. Compare this to the animation of Rosewall--now that's a model we can all use.

Blair's is little better but the way she drops her racket head and tilts it down in the backswing. Don't do that!
 
Physics is physics, John, no matter who does the hitting. No apologies necessary. :) Calling techniques "advanced" and teaching stuff that doesn't work in the real world in its stead isn't fair to the student.

Check post #28 in this thread for why. Science is certainly annoying, but it's impossible to get around it. Kenny woulda made the change by now, too. If the ball is coming at you with tons of topspin and any pace at all, yer gonna have to steepen your swing path downward. Thanks to my invalid-style wrist, I've had to use nothing but slice off both sides now for many years. It ain't pretty, but I've studied it and tested it enough to know that what the Shot Maker Tool sez is on target.

On a ball without a lot of topspin nor pace, and not too high nor low, Kenny's stroke will still work just fine. Give him one up high or with lots of spin and pace, and watch the changes he makes. If he doesn't, he's toast. Find me a current player using such a backhand slice stroke. There's a reason. . .

Interestingly, that "down and across", racket head below the hand finish, much like Toly's demonstrations of the "wiper" finish with topspin, keeps the strings pointed towards the target for a very long time - for both trajectory and direction. Pretty handy if yer timing wasn't spot on.

Blair and little kids might need that sort of back swing in order to generate enough racket head speed against slow balls. Heck, even the Djoker might resort to such a move if the incoming ball is slow enough. https://www.flickr.com/photos/mentalblock/15685652944/in/album-72157648012949433/ Works nicely for volleys on slowly approaching balls, too. https://www.flickr.com/photos/mentalblock/16601904185/in/album-72157650082654467/

Love what you've done with topspin and all yer wonderful slow motion video, but I think it might be time to take a closer look at underspin variables.

kb
 
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KB,
Thanks for the good words and I suggest you read the detailed articles I wrote about slice mechanics in the Advanced Tennis section. My point is exactly that the old gorgeous slice drive isn't able to neutralize the topspin in the pro game. We did experiments with lower flatter and then high velocity 3000rpm topspin balls and watched players change the shape of the swing toward the radically downward motion with the racket head below the wrist.
In his prime however Ken Rosewall could have beaten everyone on this board love and love with that backhand. There is a major disconnect between the pro slice and the slice that the rest of us should hit--unless we are just trying to slow the ball... I think it's the biggest disconnect between the pro and the rec game.
 
This is one of those threads that's going down the sad technical hole..

Does the racquet face go from mostly open to more closed to more open again - sure. But that's just a natural result of swinging with that grip.. You don't have to worry about it. (same thing with volley BTW).

Obviously if its too floaty close it more and the start. But you want to see the results of your shot and adjust accordingly not be thinking about the exact racquet face angles when you swing.

Likewise FWIW I think Yandell is correct and pros do slice 'differently' but that's because they are facing very fast topspin shots. So the swing to counter that can be more aggressively down.. No doubt they often hit super aggressive topspin lobs for example that amateurs don't hit either..swinging super fast but with tops of spin.. Different incoming balls = different swing paths to counter. DIfferent goals result in different swing paths. The rec player is often taking a softly hit low topspin ball and trying to hit a more driving slice back. So sure swing path a bit different.. But all of tennis is like that.

You don't really have to think about that. Too much micromanaging. Too much technical stuff.. What you want is for your 'lower' brain to automatically feel the appropriate counter for the incoming ball. So you need to get out there and change your swing path 'mental image' not worry about the exact angles at contact and such.

Here is a simple video that improved my slice backhand.. Its got more control and has more spin now..


Basically think more across and forward and not so much down to handle your regular rec ball..

Try this - and don't get caught up in technicalities - or even verbal explanations. Pros can mimic the right motion but with inaccurate explanations. This is the nature of sports. Your conscious brain is not aware of exactly what the body is doing..
 
Guy Clinch,
Thanks for taking time to give your thoughts on this, I appreciate!
If you watch 3:22 to 3:50 ...all the ball goes deep but floats, dies/bounce low, curves and it is not penetrating (skid off the court quickly).
This is the kind of slice that I play but i'm looking for "Drive" slice which will make the opponent feel rushed after the bounce
 
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GC,
Agreed. A mental image and a physical feeling for the swing path (and possibly the image and feeling of two to three key points along that swing/image path) are the keys. Not just to the slice. Understanding is important in creating the right models, but "understanding" and technical analysis while fascinating don't lead to better tennis unless translated into visual and physical keys which ideally become subconscious.
 
JohnYandell said:
GC,
Agreed. A mental image and a physical feeling for the swing path (and possibly the image and feeling of two to three key points along that swing/image path) are the keys. Not just to the slice. Understanding is important in creating the right models, but "understanding" and technical analysis while fascinating don't lead to better tennis unless translated into visual and physical keys which ideally become subconscious.
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John Yandell, when you get a chance can you please provide your thoughts on my other post too "
FH contact,swing path and follow through - which coach is right ?"
I'm very much interested to hear from you
 
JohnYandell said:
KB,
Thanks for the good words and I suggest you read the detailed articles I wrote about slice mechanics in the Advanced Tennis section. My point is exactly that the old gorgeous slice drive isn't able to neutralize the topspin in the pro game. We did experiments with lower flatter and then high velocity 3000rpm topspin balls and watched players change the shape of the swing toward the radically downward motion with the racket head below the wrist.
In his prime however Ken Rosewall could have beaten everyone on this board love and love with that backhand. There is a major disconnect between the pro slice and the slice that the rest of us should hit--unless we are just trying to slow the ball... I think it's the biggest disconnect between the pro and the rec game.
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Have read them but didn't get much out of them. I have no doubt that Mr. Rosewall woulda figgered out a way to do well, today, too. But, the stroke he used back then probably didn't have to face even a lot of "high" balls. We have a fellow in our club whose slice looks a lot like Ken's, and it is devastating when he uses it as a cross court passing shot off a ball in his strike zone. However, he struggles against returning my kicker up high to his backhand. I just think that it's a limiting technique, and not *only* limiting against ATP level shots. I believe there is a whole continuum of slice backhand strokes from Ken's to the "down and through" to the "down and across". And, I think they can all be taught to decent athletes.
 
GuyClinch said:
Does the racquet face go from mostly open to more closed to more open again - sure. But that's just a natural result of swinging with that grip.. You don't have to worry about it. (same thing with volley BTW).
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Convince me of that and I'll quit harping about the way the strokes are taught. :) Sure seems to me that the natural result of swinging from open to nearly vertical at contact would be continuing this closing motion. Seen it a million times. And, obviously, it doesn't work.
 
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GuyClinch said:
You don't really have to think about that. Too much micromanaging. Too much technical stuff.. What you want is for your 'lower' brain to automatically feel the appropriate counter for the incoming ball. So you need to get out there and change your swing path 'mental image' not worry about the exact angles at contact and such.

Here is a simple video that improved my slice backhand.. Its got more control and has more spin now..
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Try this - and don't get caught up in technicalities - or even verbal explanations. Pros can mimic the right motion but with inaccurate explanations. This is the nature of sports. Your conscious brain is not aware of exactly what the body is doing..
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Of course one doesn't "play" with technical thoughts. But how else does one *change* a stroke without knowing what to change? Slow motion video of both the "right" and the "wrong" way seems to make sense to me. We live in a wonderful time in history for that, and it keeps getting better and better. Between YouTube's slow motion videos and the readily available 240fps video on smart phones now, I'm even giving golf another look. :-)

kb
 
nothinButTennis said:
If you watch 3:22 to 3:50 ...all the ball goes deep but floats, dies/bounce low, curves and it is not penetrating (skid off the court quickly).
This is the kind of slice that I play but i'm looking for "Drive" slice which will make the opponent feel rushed after the bounce
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(Warning: if physics, technical stuff, or rabbit holes worry you, do not read) :-)

I think this is an *excellent* question, and one that I'm not sure that I've ever seen accurately answered.

My current theory is that you need both a certain high level of pace (no idea how many mph) and a low enough incoming ball angle. The book sez that in order for it to slide or skid, the ball has to have an incoming angle of 20° or less.

Since there's a three foot high net in the way, only certain situations are going to allow both that angle and that much pace. It may well be that a slice off a deep, waist high ball can't be made to yield enough pace to both land in the court and yet maintain a "horizontal" enough angle (at least not by mere mortals). The shots in the video had an initial upward trajectory. That pretty much dooms them to arcing too steeply downward by the time they reach the other end to be able skid on contact with the court.

Assuming, then, that a "non-upward" initial trajectory is required, then I would think that one needs to be either closer to the net with that waist high ball, or the ball needs to be hit from a greater height - or, preferably, both. The more underspin one applies to one of these, the more "Magnus effect" there is to fight the effects of gravity that makes the ball want to arc downwardly, keeping the angle below 20°.

When I think of the shots that I, personally, can "knife" in such a manner, it's either a sitter relatively close to the net (higher is better, up to a point) which I can swing as hard as I can at, or it's a second serve that I can knife from up fairly high at a net approacher's feet.

Another situation that comes to mind is that annoying guy or girl who whacks that severely underspun, frying pan serve that comes in about once a set, as it has about a three inch window over the net that allows it to actually land in the service box. :-) Those definitely skid.

I don't know enough about high level play to even know if the pros can make a typical slice groundie skid at the opposing baseline. Happy to be educated on same.

kb
 
I got a chance to try this over the weekend using all the wonderful tips in this thread

1. Closely racquet face seem to be key - achieved by delayed contact
2. Extend your forward swing a touch more toward target - Compared to floating slice

I hit lot of balls into the net whenever ball height is around chest and over....free flow of racquet was missing on these ball .. i guess i should give more space on higher balls
 
Even since Steffi Graf retired, I don't think we've seen a player at the top level that plays the game like her.

But could injury-ridden Potro finally give us a resurrection of her style and success that came with that?

Yes ladies and gentleman - I'm talking about that slice-BH and FH combo hit flat with power (which Lopez does NOT do). We have it back and boy oh boy is Delpo pulling it off.

I watched the final yesterday and I was just loving his style - it's different from many of today's modern players and while I am British and a fan of Murray, at the same time I was willing Potro to go for gold. He's been through a lot with all these operations and I like his mental strength and focus - Krygios needs to take note! It was also touching to see the embrace after the match - despite known differences they've had between each other over the years, this was an Olympic moment and the one winner here was definitely tennis (ok, two winner if you include Murray!).

Hope we see more of the Potro/Graff style on the ATP tour, would love it if Delboy wins the US Open! - You never know :)

As above, Juan Martin switched to 1-handed slice backhand and is competing great.


But when I exclusively hit my 1-handed backhand with slice only, I get in trouble in singles..................can you help ????????? Other than telling me you have to hit deep all the time..........that is obvious
 
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