Bad Line Calls

Morch Us

Hall of Fame
so what? Are you earning your income out of this win? If not ... does not matter.
The ball compression can take more 0.78 inches extra space.... so error upto 2 inches out being called IN is OK with me.

Yes That is Huge advancement in tech...........but there is still small margin for error like 0.78 inch ?? How does that compare to Haweye ?? 0.78 inch is almost 1 inch....... that is like calling ball that is 1 inch out,,,,,,IN
 
Human biology and physiology dictates that it is virtually impossible for a human being to accurately track and observe a tennis ball bouncing with 100% certainty.

The late great Vic Brayden in his book "Mental Tennis: How to Psych Yourself to a Winning Game" goes to great lengths to explain that most balls that land near a line that are seen to be "out" are actually "in".

It does not matter how carefully one watches the ball, the human eye is not fast enough to track the ball accurately to the level where it can see a tennis ball contact the court, roll along the court, and then leave the court. The human brain kicks in and interpolates the ball track (ie fills in the gaps). A decision is made based on the interpolation but the result of the interpolation is not an exact replica of what actually happened.

The simplest way to deal with this is to always assume that any ball within 4 inches of either side of the line is actually in. (IE a tennis ball can actually roll up to 4 inches along the court surface before it leaves the court.) Now when was the last time, you observed anyone, yourself included, play a ball that was 4 inches beyond the baseline? Probably a long time ago, possibly never. However, staying true to that tenet is real skill. Anything else is just plain luck.

Wow, don't extrapolate your poor eyesight onto the rest of us, the eyes have muscles too, AND they can be developed by using them to focus. There's also eye-therapy that can be used to improve vision through various exercises. But for me watching the tennis ball IS my eye therapy. Four inches is a big margin for error, good tennis is all about hitting the lines. Good players just want the right calls, they aren't looking for any charity.
 
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Wow, don't extrapolate your poor eyesight onto the rest of us, the eyes have muscles too, AND they can be developed by using them to focus. There's also eye-therapy that can be used to improve vision through various exercises. But for me watching the tennis ball IS my eye therapy. Four inches is a big margin for error, good tennis is all about hitting the lines. Good players just want the right calls, they aren't looking for any charity.

accidental tennis is all about hitting the lines.

i challenge you to drop feed yourself a ball from the baseline and hit either the far baseline or easier, the far sideline... with even 50% accuracy.

i agree with karma, and the study he cited is what changed the way i view line calls. the ball can roll up to 4in and look out (but in actuallity hit the line). for sure i don't give that much leeway... but if i do NOT see a 1in gap between the ball and the line i presume it touched (ie a ball that is stationary next to the line but clearly out, was probably in, if it looked like it landed next to the line... or given topspin, roll, etc,...)
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
Wow, don't extrapolate your poor eyesight onto the rest of us, the eyes have muscles too, AND they can be developed by using them to focus. There's also eye-therapy that can be used to improve vision through various exercises. But for me watching the tennis ball IS my eye therapy. Four inches is a big margin for error, good tennis is all about hitting the lines. Good players just want the right calls, they aren't looking for any charity.

I don't think @Karma Tennis is extrapolating his poor eyesight; I think he's commenting on a limitation of the human visual system.

An analogy would be the old saw about watching the ball hit your strings. That event takes about 4ms. The human visual system can't accurately capture down to that level of granularity: you may happen to take the snapshot at the moment of contact, you may not.

Braden said 2" in his book but the point is that when your eyes and brain have captured the image may be just after the ball has landed and rolled. Based on this, I'm more inclined to call something in that looked out.
 
I'm more inclined to call something in that looked out.

That's the code, doubt goes to the opponent--it's a great motivator to improve one's vision. The eyes have six little muscles that squeeze on the eyeball to make it focus. They are like any other muscles, they can be developed through working them. If people are lazy they won't have keen eyesight--also drinking a lot doesn't help--there seems to be a corollary between drinking a lot and bad line calls--Whitney Reed was the exception.
 
Wow, don't extrapolate your poor eyesight onto the rest of us, the eyes have muscles too, AND they can be developed by using them to focus. There's also eye-therapy that can be used to improve vision through various exercises. But for me watching the tennis ball IS my eye therapy. Four inches is a big margin for error, good tennis is all about hitting the lines. Good players just want the right calls, they aren't looking for any charity.

The other guys have explained what I am saying, hopefully in a way that is more palatable to you.

Keep in mind that the Rules of Tennis stipulate that any part of the ball touching the line means the ball is "good". Tennis balls often fluff up and technically even a strand of the felt (which can extend away from the actual surface of the ball some way) touching the line makes the ball "good".

Now even with your magical eyesight resulting from all those eye-muscles and your disciplined eye exercise regime, it would take Super Human vision to see any of those strands of felt. And that's before you consider the ball is moving quite fast, possibly spinning, and you are moving as well attempting to hit the ball or monitoring your doubles partner and / or your opponent(s).

Good players do want right calls, they aren't looking for charity. But it is reasonable to give close line calls the benefit of the doubt. Tennis is one of the Classy Sports. Let's keep in that way :)
 

Startzel

Hall of Fame
I know I'm late to the party, but I have been wanting to post about this topic for a while....

I hit with a lot of topspin and my shots tend to dive into the court very deep. A lot of my opponents will watch my shots go by them and immediately comment on how they thought it was going out even though it was in by a foot. Which is fine, but then almost every match I played in last summer also resulted in several clearly bad line calls from my opponents. They were mostly a lot of flat hitting pushers who would park at the baseline and wait for shots to come to them. They would get a fast one that bounces at their feet on the inside part of the line and they would call it out every time.

They inevitably would tell me how they are in the best position to make the call, and I ended up repeating the same annoying conversation about how you can't be moving at full speed, 100% focused on trying to hit a ball, and then looking straight down at the ground at the same time. It would sort of blur past them and they would just assume it must have been out.

On top of that, I think when you are playing in a league match, people's drive to win kicks in and they start calling out balls that they are HOPING go out, and then they don't take the call away when they are wrong. I get people starting to call a ball out way before it even bounces, and then they are fooled by the way the shot actually moves in which it ends up hitting the inside of the line.

I think this happens mostly when you are playing with people who aren't used to the spin and pace and end up not being able to visually keep up with it. They are looking out for one thing and another thing happens and they get confused.

This happened to me last year. I put it at the feet of my opponent who was inside the baseline and his partner just called it out after the player whiffed.

Pretty frustrating because it was such an obvious in ball.
 
...Keep in mind that the Rules of Tennis stipulate that any part of the ball touching the line means the ball is "good".

...Now even with your magical eyesight resulting from all those eye-muscles and your disciplined eye exercise regime,...

...But it is reasonable to give close line calls the benefit of the doubt.

Don't disagree with you on any of that--it's all boiler-plate good tennis fundamentals. Thanks for the complement on my eyesight--yes, my eyesight is really good, and my coach uses me for a "human-hawk-eye" to determine calls during his clinic's practice matches. What can I say without it looking like a humble brag--I should probably have my vision insured by Loyd's of London.

I was playing in a local league (mixed team) and our opponents made horrible calls and his partner did not correct him. I was serving for the match in the second set and he called my serve our after dumping his return in the net. Almost the same thing on the second serve, except he hit it wide. When I asked the the mark he pointed to a spot about 2 feet away. This went on multiple times and we ended up dropping the 2nd set mainly because I lost my cool. Overall, I would say there were over 15 obvious bad calls. Most of the calls came after they hit a ball out or into the net. We loss in 3 sets and after the match their team captain apologized for the bad calls.

What do you do in this situation? How do you handle players like this?


OF COURSE, I give "close line calls the benefit of the doubt"! That's a given. If it won't damage my karma, I would just like to update the OP of this thread was writing about EGREGIOUSLY bad-cheating line calls, where the perps lied about the calls by two feet. This is not by a hair on the ball or attributable to blurry, somewhat delusional, unconscious, non-deliberative cheating, in collusion with a partner who would not over-rule two foot bad calls under his nose. I've often used the "by the one hair on the ball statement but it is rather hyperbolic--only God would see that and he's probably more busy with other matters then watching a rec tennis match for bad line calls--even hawk-eye has a +/- factor of a millimeter or so and I've never seen a slow-mo showing a "one hair on the ball" call. I would go with a line call from the balcony by a retired judge who was a world champion tennis player's over-rule.
 

Mac33

Professional
Well I watched a quarter final match yesterday in a 15k event.

An official was called after one of the players claimed out loud on numerous occasions the other player was cheating on his line calls.

After a 15 to 20 minute delay play resumed.

Funny thing was,I caught the player who making the complaints out with a shocker of a call.

A deep ball landed around 2 to 3 balls in from where the baseline and sideline meet - he called it out.

Both myself and my friend who were watching only 20 feet away were shocked. Had to be blatant cheating!
 
Don't disagree with you on any of that--it's all boiler-plate good tennis fundamentals. Thanks for the complement on my eyesight--yes, my eyesight is really good, and my coach uses me for a "human-hawk-eye" to determine calls during his clinic's practice matches. What can I say without it looking like a humble brag--I should probably have my vision insured by Loyd's of London.

What does it say that your coach uses you to call lines during matches rather than having you actually play in them?

Hmmmm! ;)
 
What does it say that your coach uses you to call lines during matches rather than having you actually play in them?

Hmmmm! ;)

I'm playing in the points, what gave you the impression that I wasn't? Maybe you've never taken lessons from a real coach. What it says is, that he's a real coach and instructs from the baseline rather then being a human robot, feeding balls from a shopping cart, pretending that's "coaching". I've never learned anything from a shopping cart filled with tennis balls on a tennis court.
 
What it says is, that he's a real coach and instructs from the baseline rather then being a human robot, feeding balls from a shopping cart, pretending that's "coaching".

Jimmy Connors, Bjorn Borg, Mats Wilander, Andre Agassi, Pete Sampras, Venus Williams, and Serena Williams would probably beg to differ.

But then, what would any of those players know. They really didn't achieve much playing tennis, did they?

:)
 
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Jimmy Connors, Bjorn Borg, Mats Wilander, Andre Agassi, Pete Sampras, Venus Williams, and Serena Williams would probably beg to differ.

But then, what would any of those players know. They really didn't achieve much playing tennis, did they?

:)
I have no idea what you are talking about--shouldn't you be watching re-runs of SNL, or doing a head-stand.
 

Jonboy

Rookie
Had an interesting one concerning bad line calls. Was playing a county club league match in doubles. Had a couple of bad line calls from one player constantly. His partner was fair but not him. The first set was v close. Went to a tie break and at 5-6 he is serving to me. His first serve is in and I return it. But he has waved it off, thinking it was out. But it was in. I would have given a let, but as he had been an ass, no. So I took the set and the next one too.
 
Had an interesting one concerning bad line calls. Was playing a county club league match in doubles. Had a couple of bad line calls from one player constantly. His partner was fair but not him. The first set was v close. Went to a tie break and at 5-6 he is serving to me. His first serve is in and I return it. But he has waved it off, thinking it was out. But it was in. I would have given a let, but as he had been an ass, no. So I took the set and the next one too.

Even if the serve was "Out", the Receiver can elect to play the ball, especially if it looked close. The Server can wave off the point all he likes. It isn't his call in this instance. Good on you for sticking to you principles!
 

stapletonj

Hall of Fame
-only God would see that and he's probably more busy with other matters then watching a rec tennis match for bad line calls-

unless it is a USTA over 50 3.0 women's doubles match, he sends angels to magically push "in" balls just outside the line 1 mm before they hit the ground.... and then watches with glee....

Hey, even God needs a little entertainment,,,,
 
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Even if the serve was "Out", the Receiver can elect to play the ball, especially if it looked close. The Server can wave off the point all he likes. It isn't his call in this instance. Good on you for sticking to you principles!
only issue i see with playing out serves... is if the returner is a "late caller"... ie. they get two chances at the serve....
1. if they get a solid return, say nothing
2. if they miss, they call it out
i definitely call serves (if out) immediately on the bounce... but will say something if they are calling it on/after contact
 
I played a weirdo in a tournament once who was playing my long serves that were WAY obviously out, by a foot to two feet. I didn't bother playing his ROS. He said he was playing them and tried taking the points--just weird--he had a better game then that and didn't have to play head games . Fortunately haven't seen him since--maybe he crashed his bimmer on the way home--it had broken down on him on the way down making him late--bad car-ma for being a dick. It was a weird tournament to begin with, didn't have enough sign-ups so played a compass thing--wherever the main industry is pot production things are always weird.
 

kevrol

Hall of Fame
only issue i see with playing out serves... is if the returner is a "late caller"... ie. they get two chances at the serve....
1. if they get a solid return, say nothing
2. if they miss, they call it out
i definitely call serves (if out) immediately on the bounce... but will say something if they are calling it on/after contact

In USTA League play you're wrong for saying something as this is allowed.
 
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In USTA League play you're wrong for saying something as this is allowed.
I meant to say, "some will use the delay in calling a serve, to their benefit"...
personally, i always try to call the serve on the bounce (before I make contact, and definitely before i have time to decide whether my return was good or not)... on occasion, i've called an IN ball, OUT... and subsequently give up the point (regardless of whether my return was good)...
but i agree that it's wrong if someone is calling the serve after contact... but i definitely see folks do it, and have asked them not ot.
 
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I played a weirdo in a tournament once who was playing my long serves that were WAY obviously out, by a foot to two feet. I didn't bother playing his ROS. He said he was playing them and tried taking the points--just weird--he had a better game then that and didn't have to play head games . Fortunately haven't seen him since--maybe he crashed his bimmer on the way home--it had broken down on him on the way down making him late--bad car-ma for being a dick. It was a weird tournament to begin with, didn't have enough sign-ups so played a compass thing--wherever the main industry is pot production things are always weird.
well, sometimes i do that, especially if I'm playing against big serves, and i can't be sure if the ball was in or out...
but in warmups if i see that you're serving so big i might not be sure on some balls... , i'll let you know ahead of time, that i might be playing out balls, but i will strive to call the ball out, on the bounce, or as soon as possible (ie. so there's less/no confusion about whether i'm playing the serve)
 

Morch Us

Hall of Fame
Understood, sometimes your call may be just after contact. But the best thing to do in this is make your body language obvious, and either catch the ball with racket or just knock it to net, while you are calling the serve out. The key is obvious body language, so that it won't appear like a try and missed return.

In USTA League play you're wrong for saying something as this is allowed.
 
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No, you wouldn't do that, this guy was weird, this was in a tournament and the serves were so long--some of them a yard long--he was playing mind games.
lol, a yard... no, i would definitely call that out... but 4in out, i might call in
 
On Hard courts and Natural Grass courts there is usually no problem calling the serve out as long as the call is made prior to ball crossing the net on the return.

On Clay courts where the ball leaves a mark there is usually no problem calling the serve out before the server's 2nd shot crosses the net as long as there is a clear ball mark.

Always followed this process and never had a problem with any other player.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I've definitely said out as the ball was leaving my racket especially on clay where i'll pause a sec just to catch the clay mark. I don't think I've ever had a call made after the result of my return was determined. This is only on very close serves where the brain takes an added few milliseconds to process certainty.

On clearly long serves I'm calling out as I'm bunting the ball back into the net.
 

Domick

New User
I came to this forum searching possible solutions for bad line calls in junior tennis.

But unfortunately have not found too many options apart from retaliatory calls (if there is no possibility to ask officials to watch lines), but this is not acceptable for my son..

Though I noticed that names of cheaters were never cited in witnessed cases posted. So I wonder if we do so, it could probable help to calm cheaters down a bit, unless they are happy to be known not for their playing skills but for their cheating skills..
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
My thoughts on line calls:
I presume if i hit the line, it will be called out (pleasantly surprised when it's not) - so if it hits the line and it's called out, it's my fault
Most folks haven't read the literature of how the eyes can be deceived when a ball bounces. so knowing this, i give folks benefit of the doubt, but if you don't know, you just report what you see (ie. ball bounces on the line, but all you "see" is the ball bouncing off the ground 2-4in later due to compression/skidding).
I know some folks that quit USTA all together because of the BS cheating and drama in leagues.
Even though it bothers me from time to time, i try to remember that A) when i hit the line it was an accident B) I'm just playing tennis for the exercise and joy of getting good at something (not for collecting wins) C) most matches are not determined by a handful of bad calls... when i look back, i "lost" the match on shots that were well within my control - including the ones that hit the line.

Sometimes i wish tennis were as pure/cut and dry as other sports: ping pong, golf, bjj, etc,... clear rules, not much room for interpretation.
Sweet. If we ever play, I'm calling everything out.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
I came to this forum searching possible solutions for bad line calls in junior tennis.

But unfortunately have not found too many options apart from retaliatory calls (if there is no possibility to ask officials to watch lines), but this is not acceptable for my son..

Though I noticed that names of cheaters were never cited in witnessed cases posted. So I wonder if we do so, it could probable help to calm cheaters down a bit, unless they are happy to be known not for their playing skills but for their cheating skills..
It simply mirrors "life" in that way, doesn't it? People will cheat to get ahead. They will benefit. There isn't much if anything you can do about it. The only thing under your control are your own actions.

And yes, this in an unhelpful, idealistic analysis / solution. But that doesn't mean this isn't the way it is.

You may be able to "get justice" against the odd cheater here and there, but the systemic problem never goes away. You are just chasing your tail.

Think about it this way. There are 2 basic ways to enforce good conduct. I'll call them "formal" and "informal". The formal method relies on the rules and the enforcement. The subjective nature of tennis rules makes formal enforcement difficult. This is why it is called a "gentleman's game". Because it relies on informal enforcement.

Informal enforcement relies on the value of your reputation. So for example, imagine you joined the Wimbledon Tennis Club. Do you imagine anyone risks their reputation by making bad line calls or otherwise not behaving like a perfect gentleman? Of course not. The cost is too high. But notice, this type of enforcement won't be effective in most "groups" for various reasons. And I think you can see why without me going into a long drawn out explanation.

Just understand the nature of the situation you are in and act accordingly. That's about all you can do. In the Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle warns that we should not 'look for the same degree of exactness in all areas', but instead 'for the degree that accords with a given subject matter and is proper to a given line of enquiry'. You won't find mathematical or logical exactness in a tennis match and it's foolish to expect that.

As you can probably see, what must be done is to have a "good" which is greater than winning. This is the case in my Wimbledon example. But you'll never find such a "good" in junior, USTA, etc tennis. And to add to this, the "win at all cost" mentality is actually celebrated to a certain extent in our culture. It's the type of culture that celebrates gamesmanship or "winning the mental battle". Gamesmanship may not be strictly speaking against the "letter" of the rules. But in most people's minds, it is often against the "spirit" of the rules. But this is probably another discussion for another time. But it's applicable for this case because you always have "plausible deniability" when you make bad calls. You simply saw it the way you called it is all you have to say. Something you'd never get a Club Wimbledon I'd imagine. Because you value your reputation too much. Such behavior isn't looked kindly upon and enforcement against such behavior is enforceable.
 
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Nacho

Hall of Fame
I came to this forum searching possible solutions for bad line calls in junior tennis.

But unfortunately have not found too many options apart from retaliatory calls (if there is no possibility to ask officials to watch lines), but this is not acceptable for my son..

Though I noticed that names of cheaters were never cited in witnessed cases posted. So I wonder if we do so, it could probable help to calm cheaters down a bit, unless they are happy to be known not for their playing skills but for their cheating skills..

Your going to be searching for awhile....There is no special sauce, and every sport has its forms of poor sportsmanship/cheating, that is just part of sport. You have to figure out with your son how to handle when it comes up whether in tennis or some other sport. Truly, it is a great life lesson as there are worse cheaters in life.

I would however not recommend "naming names", the perception of cheating is not something that can be managed and is subjective. The best thing to do is to figure out with your son how to handle the situation when it arises in a match against a known cheater. And maybe challenge your son on handling it before it happens

There is a story about Arthur Ashe in college that I think is cool. He apparently purposely would call a couple of obviously out balls in, or switched his calls to benefit his opponent, in the first few games of every match. This set the tone that he was going to be a fair line caller, gained him a positive reputation as an opponent, and helped him manage any potential poor calling by his opponents during a match. I think it can maybe be something to learn from and share. I have done it myself and it works
 
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Sweet. If we ever play, I'm calling everything out.
that's a better metric than BBB in determining whether to do biz with you. will make sure to hide my wallet in your company too :)
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Informal enforcement relies on the value of your reputation. So for example, imagine you joined the Wimbledon Tennis Club. Do you imagine anyone risks their reputation by making bad line calls or otherwise not behaving like a perfect gentleman? Of course not. The cost is too high. But notice, this type of enforcement won't be effective in most "groups" for various reasons. And I think you can see why without me going into a long drawn out explanation.

This is why I enjoy playing club tennis. Most guys are more concerned with reputation than winning. Everyone there might be a possible business connection so you want to be on your "P's" and "Q's" when playing. Leads to a far more gentlemanly endeavor. And given there's still a lot of "alpha males" the competitive level is still quite good. But most know that hooking is poorly tolerated.

Now amongst the women it's a different story.
 

Bobs tennis

Semi-Pro
If the calls are obvious it is frustrating. Most of the problem comes with close calls. Watch a few TV matches. You will swear the ball is out. Hawkeye indicates it was in. I agree with what some others have indicated. If it is that close it's in. It hurts but it's the game. My biggest problem is one opponent I play kinda lives by that rule until the score is going against him then suddenly all those balls are out.
 

WhiteOut

Semi-Pro
Informal enforcement relies on the value of your reputation. So for example, imagine you joined the Wimbledon Tennis Club. Do you imagine anyone risks their reputation by making bad line calls or otherwise not behaving like a perfect gentleman? Of course not. The cost is too high. But notice, this type of enforcement won't be effective in most "groups" for various reasons. And I think you can see why without me going into a long drawn out explanation.

Nice example. And also, depending on where you live, and the size of the tennis community you play in, you don't have to be a member of WTC for this principle to be in place. The reality is, after a while, everyone in the league knows who the asses in the are, and eventually it catches up with them -- this is a general example. More specifically, (using myself), living in a second-tier ******* with a robust, albeit smaller tennis sub-culture than a larger city, I play people who I may wind up doing business with, or who know my family, associates, etc.

As for the pre-college scene, I would think the recruiters/coaches who are out scouting can tell for themselves who's cheating and who's not...and will select players who match his own agenda/approach...
 

WhiteOut

Semi-Pro
There is a story about Arthur Ashe in college that I think is cool. He apparently purposely would call a couple of obviously out balls in, or switched his calls to benefit his opponent, in the first few games of every match. This set the tone that he was going to be a fair line caller, gained him a positive reputation as an opponent, and helped him manage any potential poor calling by his opponents during a match. I think it can maybe be something to learn from and share. I have done it myself and it works

I've done this too, and agree it has worked for me.
 
I came to this forum searching possible solutions for bad line calls in junior tennis.

But unfortunately have not found too many options apart from retaliatory calls (if there is no possibility to ask officials to watch lines), but this is not acceptable for my son..

Though I noticed that names of cheaters were never cited in witnessed cases posted. So I wonder if we do so, it could probable help to calm cheaters down a bit, unless they are happy to be known not for their playing skills but for their cheating skills..

IME, a lot of cheaters simply don't believe that they are cheating, or they don't care. Either way, there is little chance that naming and shaming will work. Even more so at Junior Levels because juniors are often being advised by more senior people and simply follow their instructions.

The best option for dealing with cheaters on court is to simply play better tennis. Don't try and paint the lines, and judicious use of drop shots and volleys can often do the trick. Just don't provided opportunities for the cheater to make bad calls. Of course, the player has to be good enough to execute. But isn't that the whole point of the sport?
 

Rattler

Hall of Fame
IME, a lot of cheaters simply don't believe that they are cheating, or they don't care. Either way, there is little chance that naming and shaming will work. Even more so at Junior Levels because juniors are often being advised by more senior people and simply follow their instructions.

The best option for dealing with cheaters on court is to simply play better tennis. Don't try and paint the lines, and judicious use of drop shots and volleys can often do the trick. Just don't provided opportunities for the cheater to make bad calls. Of course, the player has to be good enough to execute. But isn't that the whole point of the sport?

I’d agree...hooking line calls in Juniors and College is rampant.

Although sometimes people reach their point and go for the nuclear option..calling a ball clearly in out. (I’ve done it myself and learned the hard way all that it does is through Nitro onto a fire.). I’ve found the best option is play better and very early on take the Arthur Ashe approach (a few generous calls) to head off any drama.
 
I’ve found the best option is play better and very early on take the Arthur Ashe approach (a few generous calls) to head off any drama.

Recently I was observing a match at a junior tournament. Early on, one player actually corrected a couple of line calls from the other side of the net. Player receiving the ball thought it was "In" and not being able to reach the ball the shot ends up being a clean winner. Player on the far side of the court says the ball they hit was clearly "Out" and concedes the point. Player receiving the ball is flabbergasted but grateful for the great sportsmanship. Later in the match the player who got the benefit "gifts" a couple of points which were clearly "Out" on their side.

At the end of the match, the two players got on famously. The parents got on famously. Everybody was happy. And the next time these two players play each other they will both be able to focus on playing their best tennis rather than being concerned about the "integrity" of their opponent. (Every match should be played with this spirit!)
 
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Chadillac

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I dont play competitively, but i would reverse cheat.

My best was in college (semis of tournament), i was up 5-4 in the 2nd at duece, hit a winner up the line. My friend was right there and everyone verified it was in. Next point, we go 20-25 strokes, he hits an amazing 2h backhand falling over (went around the net) and guess why my call was :)

I've only had a few cheating incidents. Im usually very direct, tell them it was obvious and demand a mark. I also make them repeat themselves twice, like i didnt hear them the first time. Dif facial expression/tone when you lie back to back
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
a 17yo I hit with entered a money tournament a few months back, I went along to watch, he always was going to get bagelled as he is not the best player (very rough) and he was drawn against #300 or something in Australia, so a player obviously a league or 3 above this kid.

17yo serves first.
1st serve landed in about a few inches inside the line, called fault.
2nd serve lands closer to the line, maybe an inch, called fault.

I was standing RIGHT at the fence watching. Just unbelievable. Very first point of the match.

And as someone else mentioned, i dont even think this guy felt he was cheating, its like some form of fuzzy logic goes on that justifies what they are doing somehow.

the psychology behind "hooking" could actually be an interesting discussion
 

sredna42

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Another bloke i played against a few times had a pattern forming of bad calls always near the pointy end of a set.

At the time I started to get pretty violent as it was becoming ridiculous, but now with hindsight, I don't think that bloke was "cheating" or being intentionally dishonest at all, in the clubhouse he was a great bloke to talk to, self-deprecating and polite, loves the game

I think that blokes like this, they work all week, maybe their life isn't going that well as it is, they aren't the best players so they are never going to just blow someone off the court, so when the pressure builds and it is a clutch situation, I wonder if there are all these filters through which they are perceiving the reality of these situations, needs/pressures/self-expectations, like wishful thinking in a way, like a template which informs the decision.

But then there are the aggressive cheaters to whom honesty/integrity/sportsmanship are alien concepts and winning justifies everything, like the #300ish kid I mentioned above
 
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