Bad News for McEnroe - Bill Scanlon

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  1. DNShade

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    Nihilists! Jesus. Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
     
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  2. Borgforever

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    I guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' itself.
     
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  3. Rabbit

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    I played with both back in the day and always thought it was the other way around. Scanlon says that they were the same, I'd probably think he'd know more since he was a sponsored player. Maybe they were made the same for him...



    So you have no frame of reference, Donny. You're like a child who wanders in in the middle of a movie and wants to know--
     
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  4. duusoo

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    As far as the equipment is concerned, Bill started playing in a much simpler time. In 1967 at K-zoo, all the layers played with either a Wilson Kramer Auto, Tony Trabert Auto, Kraemer Pro Staff, Dunlop Fort, Spalding Gonzalez Auto, or World Open. Maybe 1 or 2 with a Bancroft Players Special. That was it. When the switch to metal and graphite came, the number of manufacturers went nuts, companies came and went by the month, tennis was exploding, the money was coming in, and everyone wanted a part of it. As for him not liking McEnroe, no big deal, how many of us have gone back to our 40th class reunion, and the guy was a jerk in 1969, is just a fatter jerk in 2009. Things don't always get better.
     
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  5. slice bh compliment

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    Good points, all. And now McEnroe is a skinnier jerk. And a father of 6!
     
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  6. hoodjem

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    I played with both, and I would say the Kramer Pro Staff was stiffer. I owned a Kramer PS for maybe 10 years before switching to a PS 6.0 85 in the mid-later 80s.
     
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    I almost got to play Bill Scanlon one time. There was a popular annual open tournament at a club called Wimbledon Racquet Club in Spring TX, north of Houston. One year, I believe back in 1988, Bill Scanlon enters the tournament. The prize money was very small, and no tour points, so we couldn't figure out what a player of his caliber was doing there. I won 2 rounds and lost in the quarters, and would have played Scanlon in the semis had I won. I really wish I could have won that match so I could have the experience of playing Scanlon. He won the tournament very easily. His best competition was against a guy named Clark Diehl, who was the head pro at the Wimbledon club at the time. The most amazing thing to me was Scanlon's numerous running passing shots against Diehl. We used to joke that Scanlon only played that tournament so he could say that he has won "Wimbledon". Years later, Sammy Giammalva Jr. purchased the club, and renamed it to the Giammalva Tennis Club. And thats the rest of the story ;-)
     
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    Great story, Dave. This is the best part of these message boards, in my opinion -- stories like that. (As opposed to "what racquet is Federer REALLY playing??)
     
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  9. pmerk34

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    Retail K90 with some lead. People need to get over it.
     
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    Wow. See what I mean?
     
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  11. slice bh compliment

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    Retail K90 avec lead? People need to get over it? You callous, macho bastidges.

    I see what you're trying to do, but, I've seen Roger's frame close up and.....

    the handle is 2 mm shorter
    and the PWS area is 1 mm shorter
    and the shaft is beveled differently
    and the buttcap looks less octagonal
    and the bumper is probably teflon
    and the layup is TOTALLY a different ballgame
    and the SW is tweaked
    and the nanoparticles have undergone metaphysical metamorphosis
    and Tony Roche's acupuncture and herbalist in China has treated the fibers from the inside out
    and, well, it's just a different racquet
    and if we could only get our hands on it, we'd all be good!
     
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  12. pmerk34

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    I know and it's a joke. The best player on earth uses a stock K90 with some lead. Not some mysterious paint job of a 18 year old head Prestige.
     
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  13. hoodjem

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    Where's the lead?
     
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    Under the bumper I believe.
     
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    I've never noticed it, so that's what I would think also.

    Does he use as much as Sampras?
     
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  16. Chopin

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    No, the guys who customize his racquet say that they just sneak a little bit under the bumper.
     
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  17. Brettolius

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    For real. Not like even most tennis fans would know who the hell Bill Scanlon is. Probably know Leif Sheiras more so than Scanlon, due to his commentating...
     
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    Perhaps to get the real story from Scanlon I'll roll out at 15 m.p.h., double back, and beat it out of him!!!
     
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    Yeah, and Tony Giammalva played for Trinity the same time as Scanlon (it was a great team). Traitor to a Rice family. That irritated me too.
     
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  20. Don't Let It Bounce

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    Brettolius, this is not 'Nam. This is Talk Tennis. There are rules.
     
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    When did this tournament begin? I believe that I played in it, back in the 70's, and it was won by Mike Estep. I also think that a player named Kettelson was in it. As I recall, it had a fairly good draw, but what motivated many of us was to win Wimbledon.
     
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    Randomly found this on youtube and a title search suggested this was the most appropriate place even although it is an old thread. This link is #4 of 4, the first 3 are easy to find.

     
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    Geez!

    Banned. No wonder. (And thank goodness.)
     
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    Scanlon was three years older than Mac.

    Scanlon won the NCAA men's singles championship in 1976, two years before Mac did in 1978.
     
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  25. slice bh compliment

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    I remember watching in disbelief as mac dropped the two TBs.
    Standard headed Wood and a lot of skill beating the top seed using a new max200g!

    Figured it would go five when mac took the third set.
    Huge props to Scanlon on a signature win. Intense, smart player. Literally wrote a book on the strength of this match.

    Great guy, btw, if you ever meet him. Lives in socal, still? Still a fit, strong player. More of a laid back guy now.
     
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  26. Frankc

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    Thanks - great thread... Remember him well... great talent and serve. Enjoyed the book some time ago, but will be sure and revisit.
    Loved the Pro Staff - main frame through good years. Always wondered, since I read his book, about the transition to graphite and other players who were, perhaps, left behind. No doubt that Mac wielded the 200G with golden precision, but I am always in awe of prime Pro Staff Mac and the power, touch and precision that he pulled from a wood frame...
     
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  27. Tshooter

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    I remember watching (on TV) the match against Fleming and I liked Scanlon's game and followed his career after that match. Plus he hit with a Kramer Autograph, which I did at the time. ;)

    I remember JMac was quite a sore loser after Scanlon beat him at USO. Scanlon had beautiful late 70s style strokes. :D
     
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  28. Nostradamus

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    Mac and Scanlon had HATE vs HATE relationship. Bill beat Mac in US open one year and MAc basically said bill wasn't good enough to clean his shoes, nevermind be on the same court with him................LOL........ Talk about a sore loser..............
     
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    Scanlon wasted macs dubs partner fleming in consecutive singles finals in Hawaii in 1978, 1979,

    I heard fleming mention it more than once commentating on skysports LOL.
     
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    I watched the whole match on utube..WOW Scanlon played great with that little wood racket and McEnroe was using his graphite by then which makes Scanlon's win even more remarkable
     
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