Baghdatis racist?

Phil

Hall of Fame
Phil,

Chomski confirms what I know and does it in a thorough and professional way. (Coincidentally among the many wonderful things the US has and offers to the World, Noam is one.) Do you also don't like Gore Vidal, Suzan Sontag, Michael Parenti, Howard Zinn?

I could ask you to name me the errors he has committed and discuss it with you, but this in not the forum and I am sure we both would rather do something else with our time though I feel the pursuit of truth is an admirable challenge--especially in your case for your country holds such disproportional power in the world and it should focus on being an agent of good around the world rather than focusing on it's self interests (general human fault).

What suffices is my premise. If you care for the truth, truly and sincerely, you will find it--you must be smart at the same time, however, and I have no reason to believe otherwise in your case.

Just in case: If you get your information and opinions from Rush and Fox News, for your sake and the rest of us, please jump off the loony ride.

The best thing about the US is that you have the right to turn ride on red light--it baffles me why the rest of the world does not follow the example.
Chomski is one-sided and biased, but he is attractive to college students and naive leftist types. If you read any of my posts on this board, you will instantly know that I am an opponent of the Iraq War and a number of other US policies and I don't listen to Rush, but that does not mean that I blindly accept extremist views on the left as the "truth"-a word that you seem to play fast and loose with. The far left is every bit as irrational as the far right.

But I do look for the truth or at least an approximation of it, and believe me, you won't find it in Chomski or Susan Sontag. They are shrill and one-sided; they remind me of those who eagerly jumped on the Stalin bandwagon in the 30's, so willing to embrace the ideals of the "other side". They were sadly disappointed. Chomski completely glosses over the threat that Stalin and others presented and what the USA had to do to counter this threat. He only writes about the mistakes, and not the many successes.

I won't bother to educate you on how much of a threat to international security and freedom Stalin actually was. This is not the place, and I can see that your pre-conceived notions are set in stone and your mind is closed to anything even approaching balance. This is about a blanket comdemnation of the USA, but in Europe these days, this is a trendy fashion.

BTW, the right-on-red law is not quite universal in the USA. While all states allow it, certain cities have been made the exception and prohibit it-most notably, New York City.
 

Bhagi Katbamna

Hall of Fame
Not in New York, you can't.

What about McDonalds?
Great company that gives people what they want.

Capitalism?
The single greatest thing for freeing people and creating wealth ever known to exist.
Global Warming?
The idea that there is man-made global warming is a hoax perpetuated by environmental whackos who want control over every aspect of people's lives. There are around 400 scientists who are skeptical about man-made global warming.
 

holistic

New User
Phil,

Lets not get stuck on semantics and what truth is or who is extremist. My worries are not just for my children but for yours and everyones on this Earth including their grandchildren and theirs too, and a thousand years beyond their lives. If you can say that then we are comrades. Oh, and when I say 'worries' I mean them in the most profound and sincere way.

Yes I know about the red light and New York. Still the practice is very helpful.

Another good thing about being on this side of the World is that I get to watch Markos after a good night's sleep.
 

gj011

Banned
So what would you call the planned and methodical killing of tens of thousands of CIVILIANS and the destruction of their homes?
More repeated lies. Get your facts strait, before you start such blatant and false accusations.

I am not here to talk politics, to spread lies and propaganda and to abuse this board like Phil, so I will stop this conversation with someone who is obviously so brainwashed and rude.
 
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katastrof

Rookie
Improving relations among ordinary people is one thing. Accepting the fact that the Turkish military has been on the island for 35 years against the majority's desire is another.

The strength of the Turkish military and its interference in policy making is one of the top reasons why Turkey itself will never join the EU.

Some things in life are black and white. This is one of them.
Let me clarify one thing here: He is not yelling "Turkish Army out of Cyprus", or making any reference to the Turkish overtaking of one third of the island. Also, this is very different than saying "America out of Iraq", so lets cut down the comments on the army. Here is why:

"Turks out of Cyprus" is a clear attack on the island s Turkish inhabitants, who have been living there for more than 400 years. He is clearly repeating the point of the fascists among the islands Greeks, who do not want to cohabit with the Turks & wanted them out, which is one of the reasons Cyprus today is a big mess. Yes, although he has every right to yell whatever he wants, this is a very very fascist standpoint.
 
The idea that there is man-made global warming is a hoax perpetuated by environmental whackos who want control over every aspect of people's lives. There are around 400 scientists who are skeptical about man-made global warming.
Man, you watch too much TV. USA and China pump vasts quantities of all sorts of nasty stuff into the atmosphere. Have you bothered to see the state of some Chinese rivers and the health of the communities around them?

400 scientists worldwide, how many scientists are there who support the opposite?
 
Let me clarify one thing here: He is not yelling "Turkish Army out of Cyprus", or making any reference to the Turkish overtaking of one third of the island. Also, this is very different than saying "America out of Iraq", so lets cut down the comments on the army. Here is why:

"Turks out of Cyprus" is a clear attack on the island s Turkish inhabitants, who have been living there for more than 400 years. He is clearly repeating the point of the fascists among the islands Greeks, who do not want to cohabit with the Turks & wanted them out, which is one of the reasons Cyprus today is a big mess. Yes, although he has every right to yell whatever he wants, this is a very very fascist standpoint.
He can yell what he wants any way he wants it. You don't even understand the Cyprus problem and therefore you shouldn't even be having an opinion. You don't even understand what the word 'fascist' means. Turkey has a long and appalling record of human rights which continues as we speak. Google Armenian and Kurdish genocides and learn something.
 

katastrof

Rookie
He can yell what he wants any way he wants it. You don't even understand the Cyprus problem and therefore you shouldn't even be having an opinion. You don't even understand what the word 'fascist' means. Turkey has a long and appalling record of human rights which continues as we speak. Google Armenian and Kurdish genocides and learn something.
No I know what the word fascist means very well, & I know it well enough to know you fit the criteria as well. Armenian & Kurdish genocides? I never heard of a Kurdish genocide by Turkey (there was one by Saddam after which Iraqi Kurds took refuge in Turkey), there never has been, & bringing up something that happened 80 years ago to prove a point about today's Cyprus is a testament of your intellectual level. So your point is what? That Turks are cannibals? Don't be shy dude, just say it out loud, after all you have the right to say whatever you want. At least we'll all see what lies beneath.

I know the history of Cyprus very well, & I suggest you go read some academic articles on the subject instead of "googling" for "facts".
 

Bhagi Katbamna

Hall of Fame
400 scientists worldwide, how many scientists are there who support the opposite?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59319
HEAT OF THE MOMENT
Hundreds of scientists reject global warming
Basing policy on carbon dioxide levels 'potentially disastrous economic folly'

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Posted: December 21, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Bob Unruh
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


A new U.S. Senate report documents hundreds of prominent scientists – experts in dozens of fields of study worldwide – who say global warming and cooling is a cycle of nature and cannot legitimately be connected to man's activities.

"Of course I believe in global warming, and in global cooling – all part of the natural climate changes that the Earth has experienced for billions of years, caused primarily by the cyclical variations in solar output," said research physicist John W. Brosnahan, who develops remote-sensing instruments for atmospheric science for clients including the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA.

However, he said, "I have not seen any sort of definitive, scientific link to man-made carbon dioxide as the root cause of the current global warming, only incomplete computer models that suggest that this might be the case.
Don't believe the environmental whackos.
 
No I know what the word fascist means very well, & I know it well enough to know you fit the criteria as well. Armenian & Kurdish genocides? I never heard of a Kurdish genocide by Turkey (there was one by Saddam after which Iraqi Kurds took refuge in Turkey), there never has been, & bringing up something that happened 80 years ago to prove a point about today's Cyprus is a testament of your intellectual level. So your point is what? That Turks are cannibals? Don't be shy dude, just say it out loud, after all you have the right to say whatever you want. At least we'll all see what lies beneath.

I know the history of Cyprus very well, & I suggest you go read some academic articles on the subject instead of "googling" for "facts".
My intellectual level? Wanna compare academic achievements?

Did any members of your family get evicted in 1974? Anyone you know fought or died in the conflict in 1974? Are you Greek Cypriot?

1937-38 Kurdish Genocide in Dersim in Turkey. Read about it. By: Martin van Bruinessen
http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?t=8232
http://www.kurdmedia.com/article.aspx?id=13491 ***warning, contains disturbing images ***
Not popular history but the events did happen.
 
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sharks195

New User
The reporters are making a big deals out of nothing with respect to Baghdatis anti-Turkey stuff.

Turkey has definitely been a bully to the Cypriots. They invaded and cut the island in half. Plus, what did Bags say that was so bad. He chanted "Turkey out of Cyprus." Big deal. That's not like putting on a white towel, burning a cross, and chanting the "N" word.

On the otherhand, what I don't like about the video is that Bags is seen cavorting with some of the jerks that caused a commotion a few days ago. He shouldn't be hanging out with them even if the police were largely at fault.
the video is over a year old.
 

coloskier

Legend
Man, you watch too much TV. USA and China pump vasts quantities of all sorts of nasty stuff into the atmosphere. Have you bothered to see the state of some Chinese rivers and the health of the communities around them?

400 scientists worldwide, how many scientists are there who support the opposite?
I agree with the Chinese air pollution and it needs to be addressed, but I am a geologist who has actually studied the subject, unlike most people who blather over supposed man-made global warming. There are over 1500 scientists who are a lot more respected in the scientific community than the global warming conspirators have signed a petition, but the newspapers refuse to acknowledge it because of a political agenda. This warming and cooling has happened ever since the start of earth, and the geologic record proves it. That is why you have rocks being deposited in the first place, the raising and lowering of sea level is the only reason why you have rock formations. 90 million years ago oceans covered 90% of the earth, and we are actually now in a very low level sea level time. The earth average is much higher. Almost 200 feet higher (search "sequence stratigraphy"). Please explain to me why the temperature of Mars has risen 2 degrees in the past 10 years, like the Earth. Are we also causing global warming on Mars? To coin a phrase, "It's the SUN, stupid". The sun temperature has risen and it will fall again. If you were actually born before the 1970's you would remember that the same global warming scientists (who's funding depends on toeing the political line) were crying that we were about to enter the ice age. Plus, the average temperature of the earth (the entire earth, not the population centers that will raise the local temperature no matter what you do) actually peaked in 1999, and has been dropping ever since. What you are seeing is NORMAL change in weather patterns causing Greenland ice caps to shrink and Antarctica ice caps to grow at the same rate. That is why you have not seen much of a rise in sea level even though the average earth temperature has gone up 2 degrees. The average temperature was 2 degrees warmer in the 1300's than it is now, and was it caused by man-made global warming? I don't think so. If you don't believe these facts, you can find them on any site that does not depend on Democratic party run government funding and even in some sites that do. Don't even get me started on the farce of CO2 warming the earth. That has been proven false a long time ago using ice core and limestone studies.
 
coloskier, I find your post interesting and informative. I shall search for the truth but in the meantime I'll err on the side of caution just in case Gore and the rest of the Democrats happen to be right :)
 

127mph

Semi-Pro
greeks and turks dont really get along too well if you guys didn't know this. bigger beef than nas and jay-z
 

mctennis

Legend
It's his country he can protest all he wants. He's not a tennis player when he's not on the court. How can his statements and actions be seen as racist? I get tired of that card being thrown around too.
 

rounick

Semi-Pro
Milosevic was the president of Serbia, so what's the difference? Greece supported genocide, all because the Serbs were Orthodox and they were murdering "Turks". And Truman saved your soul. Please, now go and tell me another joke.
What's the difference?!?!!!

So all Americans are drunk idiots like the president they elected?Twice?!!!

Milosevic was a dictator.

And it was a civil war,why not bother look at this as a two sided conflict as well?

Truman did a lot of good for Greece?So it was a present from the USA after Greece fought against two Axis armies-paying a huge price-and practically made it possible for the war to be won?WHILE TURKEY WAS WITH THE ****S?!!!!

Please stop posting.

And btw,on topic,this just another case of Turks being counter-productive.

Since they can't produce a half-decent athlete,they try to smear the Greek Cypriot.

Typical...
 

Supernatural_Serve

Professional
This warming and cooling has happened ever since the start of earth, and the geologic record proves it. That is why you have rocks being deposited in the first place, the raising and lowering of sea level is the only reason why you have rock formations. 90 million years ago oceans covered 90% of the earth, and we are actually now in a very low level sea level time. The earth average is much higher. Almost 200 feet higher (search "sequence stratigraphy")....
That's a lot of scientific facts for a green weenie to accept.

Keep making too much sense and the global warming freaks heads are going to heat up and explode.

Isn't it great that vast histories of geologic and climactic information is stored right there in the geologic record, yet people won't look at what it says.
 

gj011

Banned
What's the difference?!?!!!

So all Americans are drunk idiots like the president they elected?Twice?!!!

Milosevic was a dictator.

And it was a civil war,why not bother look at this as a two sided conflict as well?

Truman did a lot of good for Greece?So it was a present from the USA after Greece fought against two Axis armies-paying a huge price-and practically made it possible for the war to be won?WHILE TURKEY WAS WITH THE ****S?!!!!

Please stop posting.

And btw,on topic,this just another case of Turks being counter-productive.

Since they can't produce a half-decent athlete,they try to smear the Greek Cypriot.

Typical...

Thank you Rounick. So true.

I gave up trying to explain anything to that ignorant brainwashed fool Phil.
 
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katastrof

Rookie
My intellectual level? Wanna compare academic achievements?

Did any members of your family get evicted in 1974? Anyone you know fought or died in the conflict in 1974? Are you Greek Cypriot?

1937-38 Kurdish Genocide in Dersim in Turkey. Read about it. By: Martin van Bruinessen
http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?t=8232
http://www.kurdmedia.com/article.aspx?id=13491 ***warning, contains disturbing images ***
Not popular history but the events did happen.
I am sorry for you if your family went through that, as lots of families went through hell on both sides. I am also sorry that your schools and teachers are filling your mind with fascist (yes again, with capital letters until you get it: FASCIST) anti-Turkish crap. What comes out of this is: Your generation will not fix Cyprus, and from what I know of Cypriots of my age, neither will theirs. You will never get out of your chronic "blame the others, it's not our fault" mentality & you will never learn. With this anger & blindness you will just separate the island further.

This is all I want to say & I won't be replying to your posts any further.
 

SCSI

Semi-Pro
Personally, I have had many bad experiences with nationalist Greeks. I have dealt with many other nationalistic people, but Greeks tend to be the most unreasonable kind. In general, these soccer holigan types that don't know and respect the game of tennis should stay out of tennis events, especially grand slam events.
 

Deuce

Banned
"It's one thing to get out there and support your player, but it's another to get into the business of ethnic rivalry and there is no place, I think, in Melbourne in our sporting culture for over-zealous ethnic rivalry,'' said Victoria Premier John Brumby.

Indeed - by all means, cancel the Davis Cup!

Politicians should never talk about sports.
 

Bertie B

Professional
I think you guys are missing the real culprit here, the British. True, the Turks & Greeks are ancient enemies, but tensions on Cyprus was manufactured by the British. Racial hate/divisions is the enduring legacy of the ex-empire. From India, to Palestine, Uganda, Cyprus, Fiji, South Africa, on and on.
 

malakas

Banned
I am sorry for you if your family went through that, as lots of families went through hell on both sides. I am also sorry that your schools and teachers are filling your mind with fascist (yes again, with capital letters until you get it: FASCIST) anti-Turkish crap. What comes out of this is: Your generation will not fix Cyprus, and from what I know of Cypriots of my age, neither will theirs. You will never get out of your chronic "blame the others, it's not our fault" mentality & you will never learn. With this anger & blindness you will just separate the island further.

This is all I want to say & I won't be replying to your posts any further.
hey katastrof-long time no see ;)

Well,to answer to your previous post..it's true that Markos said "turks out of cyprus" instead of "turkish army" but it's true that in the past 30 years there has been a continuous move of turks,and of turkish army officials from mainland turkey to northern cyprus who illegally destroy and confiscate the buildings and houses of cypriots immigrants AGAINST international laws and all UN rights.A huge part of the current turkish population is NOT of that original turkish minority who was living for the past 400 years in Cyprus but are mainland turks of the past 30 years and many of those are members or families of the turkish armies or it's puppet the army of norther cyprus.
Listen,I understand that you try to defend your country and it's policy but as a well educated and civil person I have understood you are,I don't believe you should even try to defend such imperialistic and unhumane policies who belong in the past centuries and certainly should not in modern democratic Turkey.

And as for Phil,..but OF COURSE,Greece has her fair share of wrong-doings in history and noone should claim otherwise no matter how patriotic he/she is..but ..so what???? One wrong justifies another??:confused: and the majority of those impartial DO recognise the right the Greek-Cypriots have on this instance.

Personally, I have had many bad experiences with nationalist Greeks. I have dealt with many other nationalistic people, but Greeks tend to be the most unreasonable kind. In general, these soccer holigan types that don't know and respect the game of tennis should stay out of tennis events, especially grand slam events.
I am very sorry for these experiences you may have had,but me personally I find such behavious coming from Greeks or others,excellent and refreshing to tennis and perhaps such overeclectic pseudosuperior attitudes as yourself's are the ones who do more harm in tennis and it's popularity.
 

pound cat

G.O.A.T.
I think you guys are missing the real culprit here, the British. True, the Turks & Greeks are ancient enemies, but tensions on Cyprus was manufactured by the British. Racial hate/divisions is the enduring legacy of the ex-empire. From India, to Palestine, Uganda, Cyprus, Fiji, South Africa, on and on.
and hence the racial problem in some English cities.
 

katastrof

Rookie
hey katastrof-long time no see ;)

Well,to answer to your previous post..it's true that Markos said "turks out of cyprus" instead of "turkish army" but it's true that in the past 30 years there has been a continuous move of turks,and of turkish army officials from mainland turkey to northern cyprus who illegally destroy and confiscate the buildings and houses of cypriots immigrants AGAINST international laws and all UN rights.A huge part of the current turkish population is NOT of that original turkish minority who was living for the past 400 years in Cyprus but are mainland turks of the past 30 years and many of those are members or families of the turkish armies or it's puppet the army of norther cyprus.
Listen,I understand that you try to defend your country and it's policy but as a well educated and civil person I have understood you are,I don't believe you should even try to defend such imperialistic and unhumane policies who belong in the past centuries and certainly should not in modern democratic Turkey.

And as for Phil,..but OF COURSE,Greece has her fair share of wrong-doings in history and noone should claim otherwise no matter how patriotic he/she is..but ..so what???? One wrong justifies another??:confused: and the majority of those impartial DO recognise the right the Greek-Cypriots have on this instance.

I am very sorry for these experiences you may have had,but me personally I find such behavious coming from Greeks or others,excellent and refreshing to tennis and perhaps such overeclectic pseudosuperior attitudes as yourself's are the ones who do more harm in tennis and it's popularity.
Hey Malakas, nice to *see* you again, how are you & how is Chios?

Now, listen, first of all, I didn't say a word to defend Turkey's policies in Cyprus at all. If you get me started on what Turkish governments did wrong in and about Cyprus since 1974, I got loads to talk. That's not the issue here, though.

Yes, a "huge part" of the Turkish population in Cyprus today moved there after 1974. But, the original Turkish inhabitants still makes up of 1/5th of the Cypriot population. Someone yelling "Turks out of Cyprus" wants THEM out of Cyprus, that's all to be understood here. Again, it's not "Settlers out of Cyprus", not even "Turkey out of Cyprus" (which could have a point on occasion) or "Peace in Cyprus", none of that. There's nothing to be defended about "Turks out of Cyprus". You need to understand that this is still the mentality of many Greek Cypriots, while their schools are teaching them it's their island because they are the "majority" there. Talk about twisting the notion of democracy for the "dictatorship of majority".

What would you respond to me if you catch me yelling "Kurds out of Turkey"? You'd call me an ultra-nationalist fascist soab, which would be true. What would you say to someone yelling "Turks out of Thrace"?. Yes, it is the same thing.

"Turks out of Cyprus" is a BIG part of the Cypriot issue, and it has to be understood as such. Period.
 
Racist is so complexed some people think that "black people think that we owe them eveything" I'm white but, I think that some balcks are like that but most of them are'nt. Anyway in this case he has the right to say that.
 

sharks195

New User
no you guys don't understand that the turks invaded greece and they took cyprus, we fought them off and captured cyprus but the turks still kept half of it, cyprus is a divided nation, half greek and half turkish, and the reson why they don't get along well is due to the cultural differences, turkey is technically part of asia, and greece is part of europe, but cyprus is also part of europe, and that is where the problem is, two different cultures clashing = divided nation.
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
Phil,

Lets not get stuck on semantics and what truth is or who is extremist. My worries are not just for my children but for yours and everyones on this Earth including their grandchildren and theirs too, and a thousand years beyond their lives. If you can say that then we are comrades. Oh, and when I say 'worries' I mean them in the most profound and sincere way.

Yes I know about the red light and New York. Still the practice is very helpful.

Another good thing about being on this side of the World is that I get to watch Markos after a good night's sleep.
Extremism in any form is poison. If you want to label that "semantics", good for you.

How did Markos play?

More repeated lies. Get your facts strait, before you start such blatant and false accusations.

I am not here to talk politics, to spread lies and propaganda and to abuse this board like Phil, so I will stop this conversation with someone who is obviously so brainwashed and rude.
But you've been talking politics for the last two days, so why stop now...typical snivelling genocide denier...runs away. Good choice.
What's the difference?!?!!!

So all Americans are drunk idiots like the president they elected?Twice?!!!

Milosevic was a dictator.

And it was a civil war,why not bother look at this as a two sided conflict as well?

Truman did a lot of good for Greece?So it was a present from the USA after Greece fought against two Axis armies-paying a huge price-and practically made it possible for the war to be won?WHILE TURKEY WAS WITH THE ****S?!!!!

Please stop posting.

And btw,on topic,this just another case of Turks being counter-productive.

Since they can't produce a half-decent athlete,they try to smear the Greek Cypriot.

Typical...
Truman saved your butt. I know it's a hard thing to admit-much easier to continue to slander the USA. Can you tell me how your life and that of the Greeks would have turned out had Stalin won? You have no idea what you "missed", ya ingratful s.o.b.

A lot of countries paid a huge price in WW II, but the claim that GREECE "practically made it possible for the war to be won"??? Boy, that's a major STRETCH...who taught YOU "history". Greece was, for most of the war, OCCUPIED...just like they had been for 400 years prior to their independence. No, the ultimate price was paid by, of all countries, the USSR, while the UK and the USA made it possible for YOU to live a free citizen and gave you the right to be an ingrateful ass-wipe. Under Communism, you wouldn't have had such a right.
 

sharks195

New User
Truman saved your butt. I know it's a hard thing to admit-much easier to continue to slander the USA. Can you tell me how your life and that of the Greeks would have turned out had Stalin won? You have no idea what you "missed", ya ingratful s.o.b.

A lot of countries paid a huge price in WW II, but the claim that GREECE "practically made it possible for the war to be won"??? Boy, that's a major STRETCH...who taught YOU "history". Greece was, for most of the war, OCCUPIED...just like they had been for 400 years prior to their independence. No, the ultimate price was paid by, of all countries, the USSR, while the UK and the USA made it possible for YOU to live a free citizen and gave you the right to be an ingrateful ass-wipe. Under Communism, you wouldn't have had such a right.
i don't know whether to pity you or laugh at your lack of knowledge. greece held off the invaders, and at least gave a stand. also i doubt your intelligence due to the fact that you can't spell, so why don't you cry yourself to sleep because your the only ungrateful communist ass-wipe here.
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
i don't know whether to pity you or laugh at your lack of knowledge. greece held off the invaders, and at least gave a stand. also i doubt your intelligence due to the fact that you can't spell, so why don't you cry yourself to sleep because your the only ungrateful communist ass-wipe here.
Calling someone on a typo = somone who has nothing.

Yes, Greece alone held off the German blitzkrieg and won the war for us all. Right. We should know all this. Well, at least, it's a new one on me.

Greece was busy being OCCUPIED by the Germans for most of the war (not that the Greeks didn't sacrifice...as MANY European countries did). In fact, it was Tito's Yugoslav partisans who held off the Germans for almost seven weeks which caused Germany to delay the invasion of the USSR and fight into the brutal Russian winter.

History/Geography lesson for you, nit wit: (the former) Yugoslavia is NOT Greece.
 
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Iced_jacob

Semi-Pro
Calling someone on a typo = somone who has nothing.

Yes, Greece alone held off the German blitzkrieg and won the war for us all. Right. We should know all this. Well, at least, it's a new one on me.

Greece was busy being OCCUPIED by the Germans for most of the war (not that the Greeks didn't sacrifice...as MANY European countries did). In fact, it was Tito's Yugoslav partisans who held off the Germans for almost seven weeks which caused Germany to delay the invasion of the USSR and fight into the brutal Russian winter.

History/Geography lesson for you, nit wit: (the former) Yugoslavia is NOT Greece.
Sorry buddy for not having the millions to buy guns to keep the Germans off the country.
That's the problem with you people living in the US: Everything looks simple to you. You have no idea what were the conditions in Greece at that time and how powerful was Hitler's army for a country of 7 million to defend. They kept the Italians out for a whole year. That was way too much for Greece at that time.
Keep your heroic feelings for Iraq and Afghanistan and don't bother talk about Greece and Cyprus again cause u don't have a clue what you are talking about
 

gj011

Banned
Keep your heroic feelings for Iraq and Afghanistan and don't bother talk about Greece and Cyprus again cause u don't have a clue what you are talking about
Exactly. Same applies about Serbia and former Yugoslavia. Phil better shut up before he makes complete fool of himself.
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
Sorry buddy for not having the millions to buy guns to keep the Germans off the country.
That's the problem with you people living in the US: Everything looks simple to you. You have no idea what were the conditions in Greece at that time and how powerful was Hitler's army for a country of 7 million to defend. They kept the Italians out for a whole year. That was way too much for Greece at that time.
Keep your heroic feelings for Iraq and Afghanistan and don't bother talk about Greece and Cyprus again cause u don't have a clue what you are talking about
The Greeks beating back the Italians...man, a comedian would have a FIELD DAY with that. The fact is that EVERYONE suffered in WW II, including the Greeks, but the comment that they held the Germans back and were instrumental in winning the war indicates someone with a very poor and brainwashed education. The Germans rolled over many other countries, too.

The USA is the USA, but our country sacrificed too. Do you really think that 400,000 dead and millions of casualties equals "simple"? We (along with the UK, China and the USSR) won that war, and won the peace, too. If you take your hate blinders off for a second, you might understand that.

I have more than a clue to what I'm talking about, because my head isn't poisoned with such nationalistic garbage. ]

I don't see what Iraq and Afghanistan has to do with all of this. But please do bring up irrelevant issues...'cause that's all you seem to be able to do. Weak.
 

Iced_jacob

Semi-Pro
The Greeks beating back the Italians...man, a comedian would have a FIELD DAY with that. The fact is that EVERYONE suffered in WW II, including the Greeks, but the comment that they held the Germans back and were instrumental in winning the war indicates someone with a very poor and brainwashed education. The Germans rolled over many other countries, too.

The USA is the USA, but our country sacrificed too. Do you really think that 400,000 dead and millions of casualties equals "simple"? We (along with the UK, China and the USSR) won that war, and won the peace, too. If you take your hate blinders off for a second, you might understand that.

I have more than a clue to what I'm talking about, because my head isn't poisoned with such nationalistic garbage. ]

I don't see what Iraq and Afghanistan has to do with all of this. But please do bring up irrelevant issues...'cause that's all you seem to be able to do. Weak.
You pretend to know everything that has happened and I am the one who has poor education. Buddy I ve read tons of history from authors all around the world and of all nations (I ve even read Hitler's books since I always want to give the other side a chance) and you seem to be the one-dimensional not me. You are seriously not aware of the stuff you are talking about. Your country involved in WWII to increase its infuelce in Europe and that is proved by the fact that they split Germany in two to get half each with the Russians. But you never actually bothered to care about small nations. At the moment your country is trying to create a military base in the occupied by the Turks part of Cyprus. Isn't that illegal to you?

PS I never talk on politics without knowing EXACLTY what I am talking about
 

Phil

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You pretend to know everything that has happened and I am the one who has poor education. Buddy I ve read tons of history from authors all around the world and of all nations (I ve even read Hitler's books since I always want to give the other side a chance) and you seem to be the one-dimensional not me. You are seriously not aware of the stuff you are talking about. Your country involved in WWII to increase its infuelce in Europe and that is proved by the fact that they split Germany in two to get half each with the Russians. But you never actually bothered to care about small nations. At the moment your country is trying to create a military base in the occupied by the Turks part of Cyprus. Isn't that illegal to you?

PS I never talk on politics without knowing EXACLTY what I am talking about
Then why talk about politics here? You obviously know nothing other than goofy conspiracy theories. Everything you said above is laughable.
 

Iced_jacob

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Then why talk about politics here? You obviously know nothing other than goofy conspiracy theories. Everything you said above is laughable.
Yeah all the bad things your country has done are just a conspiracy theory.

The most laughable thing here is you ignoring small nations since they don't admire your beloved country. We are happy living in our country. We don't want to be like you and we don't want to save anyone from dictators and communism. We just want to live in our country without your country trying to interfere in everything. Just get the hell out of where people don't want you.
 

Phil

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Yeah all the bad things your country has done are just a conspiracy theory.

The most laughable thing here is you ignoring small nations since they don't admire your beloved country. We are happy living in our country. We don't want to be like you and we don't want to save anyone from dictators and communism. We just want to live in our country without your country trying to interfere in everything. Just get the hell out of where people don't want you.
The USA doesn't ignore "small" nations. USA military assistance to Greece is huge in proportion to Greece's "contribution" to NATO. And the Marshall Plan, after WW II, helped to re-build Greece and a number of other smaller countries. So where's all this "knowledge" that you have? You didn't even know this.

No one's getting out of anywhere. Consider yourself lucky that you're not speaking RUSSIAN now as a forced second language, and thank the USA for that one. You're welcome.
 

Iced_jacob

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The USA doesn't ignore "small" nations. USA military assistance to Greece is huge in proportion to Greece's "contribution" to NATO. And the Marshall Plan, after WW II, helped to re-build Greece and a number of other smaller countries. So where's all this "knowledge" that you have? You didn't even know this.

No one's getting out of anywhere. Consider yourself lucky that you're not speaking RUSSIAN now as a forced second language, and thank the USA for that one. You're welcome.
The only reason you did that was to increase your influence in Europe! NOT to help small nations. What is the military assistance you give to Greece? You get Millions of money for the equipment Greece buys. You also spent a lot of money in a campaign to force the Cypriots accept a very bad solution for the Cyprus problem in a referendum in 2004 so that after that your beloved Turkey would be able to join the EU. But you got a huge NO!
Btw you still haven't answered why you saviours of all the nations of this world will build a base in an illegally occupied place...
 

Phil

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The only reason you did that was to increase your influence in Europe! NOT to help small nations. What is the military assistance you give to Greece? You get Millions of money for the equipment Greece buys. You also spent a lot of money in a campaign to force the Cypriots accept a very bad solution for the Cyprus problem in a referendum in 2004 so that after that your beloved Turkey would be able to join the EU. But you got a huge NO!
Btw you still haven't answered why you saviours of all the nations of this world will build a base in an illegally occupied place...
What illegally occupied place are you talking about? I missed that one.

Well, there's nothing wrong with increasing one's influence if one is an international player. Nothing at all. SAVING EUROPE was more important than increasing influence, but along with saving the Western part of the continent, the USA DID achieve influence. That comes with the territory. Greece had to be saved; it was considered the soft underbelly of Europe, and the USA saved it from tyranny. Does the USA call the shots in Greece? No...at least, not for a long time.

I don't think the "solution" to Cyrpus was very good, and I don't believe the USA was behind this, given its more-than-token condemnation of Turkey. Maybe you should talk to the Brits about that-they still have bases in Cyprus. You're barking up the wrong tree, spanky.
 

Iced_jacob

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What illegally occupied place are you talking about? I missed that one.

Well, there's nothing wrong with increasing one's influence if one is an international player. Nothing at all. SAVING EUROPE was more important than increasing influence, but along with saving the Western part of the continent, the USA DID achieve influence. That comes with the territory. Greece had to be saved; it was considered the soft underbelly of Europe, and the USA saved it from tyranny. Does the USA call the shots in Greece? No...at least, not for a long time.

I don't think the "solution" to Cyrpus was very good, and I don't believe the USA was behind this, given its more-than-token condemnation of Turkey. Maybe you should talk to the Brits about that-they still have bases in Cyprus. You're barking up the wrong tree, spanky.
So why you are not forcing turkey to leave cyprus ac u did in Kuweit's case?
Instead you start building a base in the occupied by the turks area...
 

Phil

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So why you are not forcing turkey to leave cyprus ac u did in Kuweit's case?
Instead you start building a base in the occupied by the turks area...
Where is this "base" that you speak of? Is the US building a base in Cyprus...is that what you're saying? I don't think the situation in Cyprus is beneficial for anyone, and it could have been handled better by all involved.

Me? I can't force Turkey to do anything? And the USA probably cannot "force" Turkey to leave Cyprus either...I have news for you: The USA cannot do anything it wants, whenever it wants. Sorry that this basic information has escaped you all these years.
 

Iced_jacob

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Where is this "base" that you speak of? Is the US building a base in Cyprus...is that what you're saying? I don't think the situation in Cyprus is beneficial for anyone, and it could have been handled better by all involved.

Me? I can't force Turkey to do anything? And the USA probably cannot "force" Turkey to leave Cyprus either...I have news for you: The USA cannot do anything it wants, whenever it wants. Sorry that this basic information has escaped you all these years.
Yeah bombing Yugoslavia and Afghanistan happened fore what then?
 

Phil

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Yeah bombing Yugoslavia and Afghanistan happened fore what then?
Again, what does this staw man have to do with anything else in this thread. Can you answer the question or can you not? Or are you just making up more garbage? Are you mature enough to stay on topic?
 

Iced_jacob

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First of all questioning my maturity with stupid questions makes you sounds stupid. I didn't characterised you with any words so you have no right to do that to me..
You know you can force turkey to do a lot of stuff. You told them not to invade Iraq, they did and then you didn't do anything. They are your closest allies in Europe and Turkey is full of US (disguised under Nato) bases. You know that you don't have any interest in Cyprus so you just let Turkey do whatever they want...
 

Phil

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First of all questioning my maturity with stupid questions makes you sounds stupid. I didn't characterised you with any words so you have no right to do that to me..
You know you can force turkey to do a lot of stuff. You told them not to invade Iraq, they did and then you didn't do anything. They are your closest allies in Europe and Turkey is full of US (disguised under Nato) bases. You know that you don't have any interest in Cyprus so you just let Turkey do whatever they want...
Actually, the USA DOES have an interest in Cyprus. The USA wants to expand its small listening post in Nicosea-but only if and when Cyrprus becomes unified. Cyprus is a very strategic location.

No, questioning your maturity is common sense, given what you've written here.

The USA can ask Turkey to do certain things, as it can with any ally. It certainly cannot force it to leave Cyprus. I don't know where you come up with that kind of "information". Turkey didn't invade Iraq, but it DID launch air raids-it was a compromise. Allies compromise.

I didn't know that Turkey was the USA's "closest ally in Europe"-wow, you must really have some insider knowledge. Forget about the UK, Italy, Germany, Poland and others. Yeah, Turkey. Right.
 

sharks195

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Calling someone on a typo = somone who has nothing.

Yes, Greece alone held off the German blitzkrieg and won the war for us all. Right. We should know all this. Well, at least, it's a new one on me.

Greece was busy being OCCUPIED by the Germans for most of the war (not that the Greeks didn't sacrifice...as MANY European countries did). In fact, it was Tito's Yugoslav partisans who held off the Germans for almost seven weeks which caused Germany to delay the invasion of the USSR and fight into the brutal Russian winter.

History/Geography lesson for you, nit wit: (the former) Yugoslavia is NOT Greece.
still we did fight against them when they occupied us, and we actually did defeat them and the withdrew their forces from greece thanks to no one else but the greeks. the yugoslavs did not fight in greece and help them, greece did it alone.
 
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