Baghdatis: Soldier or Tennis Player?

DashaandSafin

Hall of Fame
Obviously tennis player. If i were in that situation i would rather play tennis than fight a useless war.

Also I dislike drafts of all kinds, if he wants to go train and fight let him. He is a national hero in Cyprus, why should he die in a war he probably doesnt give a crap about?

Is he allowed to defect?
 

menelaos

Rookie
DashaandSafin said:
Obviously tennis player. If i were in that situation i would rather play tennis than fight a useless war.

Also I dislike drafts of all kinds, if he wants to go train and fight let him. He is a national hero in Cyprus, why should he die in a war he probably doesnt give a crap about?

Is he allowed to defect?


As a Greek I feel for him since I opted to be in the US rather than serve. But Cyprus is in a real danger. They need draftees to discourage further Turkish aggression. It's almost the same situation with Israel.

If they start making exceptions then the whole draft system will collapse.
It's a tricky issue - no question
 
I'm from Cyprus and i had to do my 26 months from age 18-20, like everyone. However, i wouldn't feel cheated if they cut this guy some slack. He IS serving his country right now. At least, that's how i see it.

Hopefully, they'll at least let him compete till his 30s and THEN call him. The next decade is the most important in his life. If they take two years from him it could destroy his game completely.
 

35ft6

Legend
^ Marcos can do a lot more for his country as a tennis star than as a grunt soldier. He's a great guy, he will represent his country well, and his success can bring a lot of joy to a country that I'd imagine isn't often on the world athletic stage.
 

rilokiley

Professional
He can bring peace to the world with his smile!

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Seriously, he could do so much as a tennis player, as someone famous than as a soldier. He could become an ambassador for UN or some ****.
 

pound cat

G.O.A.T.
Remember Goran and the Croatian draft? He served a few months cleaning rifles and marching in between tournaments. Baghdatis was the Cypriot Man of the Year, and I'm sure it willl be the same with him. They also have a draft of some sort in Switzerland, and Federer did something or other...milk cows?
 

35ft6

Legend
pound cat said:
Remember Goran and the Croatian draft? He served a few months cleaning rifles and marching in between tournaments. Baghdatis was the Cypriot Man of the Year, and I'm sure it willl be the same with him. They also have a draft of some sort in Switzerland, and Federer did something or other...milk cows?
"Milk cows?" That's mean. Mirka is pretty chubby but that comment was over the line. :-|
 

Docalex007

Hall of Fame
I'm 21 now and still have not done my mandatory 11 months in the German army. I am sooooo hoping they do not come knocking on my door!

But then again, 11 months is nothing compared to Cyprus with their 26 month mandatory duty. I am about to continue my university studies in September and I will be highly pissed if they call me....I'll waste a year of my life doing nothing but shooting rifles and cleaning tanks. No way.

The only hope I have is that if they haven't called me up to serve by age 24 then I don't have to serve at all anymore. I had been living in the US my whole life until last year so that is probably why they haven't called me in yet. But since my name is now registered as living here in Germany, I'm afraid the army will spot somewhere that I've yet to do my 11 months. AHHHHHHH.
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
Docalex007 said:
I'm 21 now and still have not done my mandatory 11 months in the German army. I am sooooo hoping they do not come knocking on my door!

But then again, 11 months is nothing compared to Cyprus with their 26 month mandatory duty. I am about to continue my university studies in September and I will be highly pissed if they call me....I'll waste a year of my life doing nothing but shooting rifles and cleaning tanks. No way.

The only hope I have is that if they haven't called me up to serve by age 24 then I don't have to serve at all anymore. I had been living in the US my whole life until last year so that is probably why they haven't called me in yet. But since my name is now registered as living here in Germany, I'm afraid the army will spot somewhere that I've yet to do my 11 months. AHHHHHHH.

Why don't you just go and serve-do your duty, ya big pansy. It's 11 months, fer cryin' out loud and you'll probably LEARN something in the process-that is, if you don't mope through it. Although I can't say much about cleaning tanks, shooting rifles is DAMN FUN, my man. I guarantee you that when you look back on it, you will not have considered it "a waste". ;)
 

xanctus

Semi-Pro
atatu said:
While I agee with you guys, is Cyprus at war currently ?

FYI, Cyprus has the right to have its own independence and country...However, Cyprus has been split into the Greek Cypriot-controlled south and the Turkish-occupied north since Turkey invaded in 1974. That's why Cyprus is divided by 2 nations; Cyprus (where Marcos from) and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (which only recoqnized only by Turkey). Therefore, most of men from Cyprus are obligated to go to the Army. In case of 1974 repeated.
 

Shabazza

Legend
Phil said:
Why don't you just go and serve-do your duty, ya big pansy. It's 11 months, fer cryin' out loud and you'll probably LEARN something in the process-that is, if you don't mope through it. Although I can't say much about cleaning tanks, shooting rifles is DAMN FUN, my man. I guarantee you that when you look back on it, you will not have considered it "a waste". ;)
well, I look back on it and I consider it a waste :p - it was boring as hell, except basic training...I'm 23 btw.
I really hope they don't force Marcos to do it. It would clearly be a waste for him!
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
Shabazza said:
well, I look back on it and I consider it a waste :p - it was boring as hell, except basic training...I'm 23 btw.
I really hope they don't force Marcos to do it. It would clearly be a waste for him!

You may change your tune in 10 years. We'll see. You don't even REALIZE how much it benefited you-now. Just wait.
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
Originally Posted by atatu
While I agee with you guys, is Cyprus at war currently ?



xanctus said:
FYI, Cyprus has the right to have its own independence and country...However, Cyprus has been split into the Greek Cypriot-controlled south and the Turkish-occupied north since Turkey invaded in 1974. That's why Cyprus is divided by 2 nations; Cyprus (where Marcos from) and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (which only recoqnized only by Turkey). Therefore, most of men from Cyprus are obligated to go to the Army. In case of 1974 repeated.

To answer your question, atatu, no, Cyprus is not currently at war.
 

xanctus

Semi-Pro
Phil...you're correct I forgot to answer the question. Cyprus is not at war, but IMO they are still invaded by the turks. :)
 
Regarding the Cyprus situation, even though i'm a Greek-Cypriot i have always acknowledged our own fault in this mess. Before 1974, us GCs tried to get rid of the TCs and achieve unification with our motherland (Greece). The plan backfired when Turkey invaded us, claiming they were only protecting the rights and lives of their citizens. That was of course not true. Their main goal was to capture the extremely strategical north side of the island. If another country (ie Greece) controlled that territory it meant they could easily assemble troups just a few miles outside Turkey's southern shores and have them ready for action at any given time.

The funny thing, based on what i've heard over the years, is that the US (think Kissinger) had asked us GCs for permission to build military bases on the island. The British Forces were already stationed here (as per the agreement of our independence in 1960) and the Americans wanted a part of the action. The island overlooks the whole Middle East and is ideal for all sorts of operations. It is rumoured that this did indeed happen and that we said NO. When the Turkish generals saw this opening to establish a presence on the island they knew they had to take it. Apparently, and again according to rumours, they had the blessing of all the right people. It was agreed that they would invade Cyprus and take over a specifically designated aread in the North. However, it seems they got a little bit too greedy in the process and proceeded further south. They ended up with about 37% of the country. If they had stopped when they were told to, the US is said to have promised them a strong international lobby in order to get that northern area recognised as a separate Turkish state.

Of course, it's very difficult to prove any of the above, unless the CIA or the Foreign Office release the relevant documents (IF there ever were any). The fact remains that the Greek-Cypriot state was invaded 32 years ago and we ended up in this mess, needing UN troops to patrol the "buffer zones" (the longest-running uninterrupted UN presence anywhere in the world i think).

Personally, i'd be ready to kiss and make up with the genuine Turkish-Cypriots at some point, but i'll never forgive Turkey unless they pull out all their troops and the thousands of settlers they sent over here through the years, in an effort to maximise the population of the occupied area.

It's an impossible situation and personally i wasn't happy with any of the proposed solutions so far.

Oh, and the imminent threat of the Turkish troops directly above us means i have to report for army duty 4 times a year, as a reserve. I thought the army was a waste of my time personally, so i'm not ecstatic to have to revisit the experience 4 times a year.

This was WAY OFF TOPIC so sorry to anyone who feels this is out of place here, but the conversation was building up to this and as a Cypriot i felt obliged to offer my perception of this situation.
 

spinbalz

Hall of Fame
menelaos said:
As a Greek I feel for him since I opted to be in the US rather than serve. But Cyprus is in a real danger. They need draftees to discourage further Turkish aggression. It's almost the same situation with Israel.

If they start making exceptions then the whole draft system will collapse.
It's a tricky issue - no question


A/ Turkish wants to integrate the EEC, so there is no risk of agression from them anymore, you can be sure that the current situation will stay in a "status quo".

B/ If turkish decides to invade Cyprus, the Cyprus has no chance to defend without the help of other countries anyway, so it doesn't matter how many peoples are drafted in the Army, it is not the Cyprus Army that discourage Turkish to invade the island.
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
spinbalz said:
A/ Turkish wants to integrate the EEC, so there is no risk of agression from them anymore, you can be sure that the current situation will stay in a "status quo".

B/ If turkish decides to invade Cyprus, the Cyprus has no chance to defend without the help of other countries anyway, so it doesn't matter how many peoples are drafted in the Army, it is not the Cyprus Army that discourage Turkish to invade the island.

Ohhh, I think you opened a PANDORA'S BOX, Spinguy...although I agree with your very logical comments, I know this is going to p-ee off the Greeks.
 

arosen

Hall of Fame
Funny how tennis brings out all these political issues. I just hope Marcos gets to beat Nalby and play a fiery final agaist Fed. That would be awesome!
 

Docalex007

Hall of Fame
Phil said:
Why don't you just go and serve-do your duty, ya big pansy. It's 11 months, fer cryin' out loud and you'll probably LEARN something in the process-that is, if you don't mope through it. Although I can't say much about cleaning tanks, shooting rifles is DAMN FUN, my man. I guarantee you that when you look back on it, you will not have considered it "a waste". ;)

Perhaps. But keep in mind I'm not "running away" from it in the traditional sense. I mean, we are not at war with some country so I'm not trying to avoid it for any reasons like that.

My brother did his time and says it was a waste. He felt bad because a friend of his found a way to avoid doing his time and is now a full year ahead of him at university.

I don't know what you're thinking this "mandatory duty" consists of but from what I hear it consists of doing a whole lot of nothing and hanging out with idiot people all day who have nothing better to do.
 

spinbalz

Hall of Fame
Docalex007 said:
from what I hear it consists of doing a whole lot of nothing and hanging out with idiot people all day who have nothing better to do.

Exactly what I experienced 11 years ago...
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
Docalex007 said:
Perhaps. But keep in mind I'm not "running away" from it in the traditional sense. I mean, we are not at war with some country so I'm not trying to avoid it for any reasons like that.

My brother did his time and says it was a waste. He felt bad because a friend of his found a way to avoid doing his time and is now a full year ahead of him at university.

I don't know what you're thinking this "mandatory duty" consists of but from what I hear it consists of doing a whole lot of nothing and hanging out with idiot people all day who have nothing better to do.

I didn't say you're running away, but you make it sound like a stint in Satan's Lair and unless it's the Russian military, which IS a similar experience to a couple years in Hell, it's not much more than a walk in the park. And not everyone there is an idiot-you might be surprised at the experience. Don't pass judgment on something based on second-hand accounts-that just doesn't do it justice. It will make you a better person if you go in with the right attitude. That's just my two phennings on the subject.
 

Docalex007

Hall of Fame
Phil said:
I didn't say you're running away, but you make it sound like a stint in Satan's Lair and unless it's the Russian military, which IS a similar experience to a couple years in Hell, it's not much more than a walk in the park. And not everyone there is an idiot-you might be surprised at the experience. Don't pass judgment on something based on second-hand accounts-that just doesn't do it justice. It will make you a better person if you go in with the right attitude. That's just my two phennings on the subject.

I understand what you're saying so don't get me wrong. If I am called, I'll have little/no choice as to what I'm gonna' have to do - which is to go do it. The experience might be good, I'm not counting that out, but I prefer to avoid it as I have big plans that I want to stick to.

BTW,
Phil said:
That's just my two phennings on the subject.

Since you have given me your opinion in a worthless currency, does this mean your opinion is worthless? :)
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
Docalex007 said:
Since you have given me your opinion in a worthless currency, does this mean your opinion is worthless? :)

Guess you aren't familiar with the basic expression-must be too American- colloquial for you.
 

Docalex007

Hall of Fame
Phil said:
Guess you aren't familiar with the basic expression-must be too American- colloquial for you.

LOL. No. Actually I understood the expression perfectly. It's the fact you used "pfennige" instead of the normal "cents". Since the pfennige are worthless today, it was a joke.
 

jgunnink

New User
This is going to ruffle feathers and has nothing to do with tennis, but I think required military conscription is counter productive. At least in the United States you can choose to not be in the military if you don't want.

What happens of course is that generally people of lower socio-economic status end up in the army to pay for college. Then somehow half the country thinks it's a good idea to invade Iraq and your brother, who just wanted to become a computer programmer ends up getting killed.

Can you imagine if Baghdatis got killed in the military, like getting run over by a truck accidentally or something? What a waste that would be.
 

arosen

Hall of Fame
That would suck major arse, and guess what, according to papers, the military arse holes in Cyprus, those in charge of involuntary recruitment, are not even aware how awesome Marcos is. They just don't give a damn.
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
Docalex007 said:
LOL. No. Actually I understood the expression perfectly. It's the fact you used "pfennige" instead of the normal "cents". Since the pfennige are worthless today, it was a joke.

I know it was a joke, or at least an attempt at one. Just playing with you...:rolleyes:
 

pound cat

G.O.A.T.
Skai Radio in Athens reported from Cyprus that Baghadatis, who won the Australian Open boys' title in 2003, was excused military service until whenever he wanted. Cyprus, a Mediterranean island with a population of 770,000, is home to just 12 tennis clubs and about 50 courts.

I think age 50 would be good
 
I heard an interview with the Cyprus Tennis Federation president earlier and he said that so far all the military and government people have been very cool about the whole thing and that he isn't worried about Marcos' future career.

Great news, unless some people forget their promises.
 

xanctus

Semi-Pro
Bravo re Marcos re....
I hope he will not need to go to army...he can just bring all the good tennis spirit all around Cyprus....
 
sharapovalover said:
who is cyprus at war with anyway

Well, there's no actual war right now (or for the last 32 years), but in 1974 it was Turkey that invaded us. Just read my post on page 2 if you want more info.
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
I am sure Marcos rather go to war with his girl:mrgreen: I hope this kid is not a one trick pony, i feel he would be a nice addition to this game, his personality and his girl;)
 
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