Barty vs Osaka - who is greater as of now?

[abmk]

Barty has:
3 slams - 1 AO, 1 RG, 1 Wimbledon
WTA finals: 1
15 titles total
Week at #1: 113

Osaka has:
4 slams - 2 AO, 2 USO
WTA finals: 1
7 titles total
Weeks at #1: 25

Barty has 1 less slam, but has won a slam on all 3 surfaces showcasing versatality (unlike Osaka who is yet to adapt well to clay/grass), has far more weeks at #1, has won the WTA finals, has far more titles.

Osaka's prime/peak level at USO is obviously far better as is Barty's at RG/Wim. At AO, Barty was dominant in AO 2022, as was Osaka in AO 21 (apart from the Muguruza match). Not much of a difference there. Assuming we rate Osaka a little higher, she still falls short in total.
Before this AO, Barty had not yet shown level high enough to reach a HC slam final. But AO 22 changed that significantly.

Considering both achievements and level, at this point, I'd rate Barty as greater at Osaka.

Thoughts?

 

[Sport]

4 > 3. Osaka takes my vote. Barty is more complete but Osaka is slightly better, just like Agassi was more complete than Sampras, but Sampras was overall better.

 

[zuluzazu]

Barty has:
3 slams - 1 AO, 1 RG, 1 Wimbledon
WTA finals: 1
15 titles total
Week at #1: 113

Osaka has:
4 slams - 2 AO, 2 USO
WTA finals: 1
7 titles total
Weeks at #1: 25

Barty has 1 less slam, but has won a slam on all 3 surfaces showcasing versatality (unlik Osaka who is yet to adapt well to clay/grass), has far more weeks at #1, has won the WTA finals, has far more titles.

Osaka's prime/peak level at USO is obviously far better as is Barty's at RG/Wim. At AO, Barty was dominant in AO 2022, as was Osaka in AO 21 (apart from the Muguruza match). Not much of a difference there. Assuming we rate Osaka a little higher, she still falls short in total.
Before this AO, Barty had not yet shown level high enough to reach a HC slam final. But AO 22 changed that significantly.

Considering both achievements and level, at this point, I'd rate Barty as greater at Osaka.

Thoughts?

LOL the AgEnda

 

[Connor35]

barty because she has won on 3 surfaces.

 

[Aabye5]

But what about RAFA?

 

[TheNachoMan]

Only slams matter guys. Forget the weeks at #1

 

[Novichok]

Ash Barty is greater IMO.

She's also FAR more likeable than Osaka, and that's a plus.

 

[abmk]

LOL the AgEnda

what agenda? I like both players.

 

[silentkman]

Barty has:
3 slams - 1 AO, 1 RG, 1 Wimbledon
WTA finals: 1
15 titles total
Week at #1: 113

Osaka has:
4 slams - 2 AO, 2 USO
WTA finals: 1
7 titles total
Weeks at #1: 25

Barty has 1 less slam, but has won a slam on all 3 surfaces showcasing versatality (unlike Osaka who is yet to adapt well to clay/grass), has far more weeks at #1, has won the WTA finals, has far more titles.

Osaka's prime/peak level at USO is obviously far better as is Barty's at RG/Wim. At AO, Barty was dominant in AO 2022, as was Osaka in AO 21 (apart from the Muguruza match). Not much of a difference there. Assuming we rate Osaka a little higher, she still falls short in total.
Before this AO, Barty had not yet shown level high enough to reach a HC slam final. But AO 22 changed that significantly.

Considering both achievements and level, at this point, I'd rate Barty as greater at Osaka.

Thoughts?

let's wait until the completion of the 2022 season.

 

[zuluzazu]

what agenda?

We both know it’s clearly a bait thread and we all which fanbase will vote for whom lol.

 

[boredone3456]

Barty. 3 slams on 3 different surfaces, twice as many titles, way more weeks at number 1, way more consistency. that one extra slam doesn't add up

 

[Shaolin]

Barty because she's not annoying.

 

[Krish872007]

Osaka for now (slightly), but if Barty wins another Slam I would put her ahead for sure - especially if it's the US Open

 

[abmk]

We both know it’s clearly a bait thread and we all which fanbase will vote for whom lol.

I like both Osaka and Barty and have rooted for both of them.
Your obsession with your own agenda causes you to think others do the same. Not my problem. Yours.

 

[jacob22]

I'd much rather watch Osaka play

 

[Krish872007]

4 > 3. Osaka takes my vote. Barty is more complete but Osaka is slightly better, just like Agassi was more complete than Sampras, but Sampras is better.

Would you rate Barty higher if she wins the US Open? To complete the Career Slam
Or any Slam really

 

[upchuck]

I'm still going to go with Osaka because she has one more slam. But yeah, if Barty ties this up she has the edge easily.

Which is a shame, really, because Osaka at her best is the clearly superior player.

 

[Sport]

Would you rate Barty higher if she wins the US Open? To complete the Career Slam
Or any Slam really

Yes I would.

 

[abmk]

Which is a shame, really, because Osaka at her best is the clearly superior player.

on HC yeah, Osaka at her best is clearly better. (Barty's reduced difference atleast at AO with her AO 22 performance)
But Barty at her best is clearly better on clay and grass, no?
Osaka needs to adapt well to clay and grass. She has the talent to do so. Question is can she do it on atleast one of them.

 

[spottishwood]

We both know it’s clearly a bait thread and we all which fanbase will vote for whom lol.

I'm a rafan but I'd prefer Barty

 

[upchuck]

on HC yeah, Osaka at her best is clearly better. (Barty's reduced difference atleast at AO with her AO 22 performance)
But Barty at her best is clearly better on clay and grass, no?
Osaka needs to adapt well to clay and grass. She has the talent to do so. Question is can she do it on atleast one of them.

Yes, Barty better on two of the surfaces, which should count for something. I just also think Osaka on a HC trumps any level Barty can reach on any surface. Osaka at her best warrants cross-generational comparisons to the ATGs. I can't say the same for Barty.

 

[abmk]

Yes, Barty better on two of the surfaces, which should count for something. I just also think Osaka on a HC trumps any level Barty can reach on any surface. Osaka at her best warrants cross-generational comparisons to the ATGs. I can't say the same for Barty.

fair enough.

 

[ChaelAZ]

Barty to me is the more often the player to beat, so will see how this year goes. I think in this AO form she can run the board this year.

 

[Deleted member 758560]

barty of course, even though 4-3 but on three diff surfaces while osaka just on one, barty the winner

 

[wangs78]

A difference of ONE slam really can't form the basis of who's greater. However, I would give the edge to Osaka, whose Slam wins have been more impressive, coming against Serena, Azarenka Kvitova and Brady (three of these were multi-Slam winners). Barty's opponents, in contrast, were Vondrousova, Pliskova and Collins (who have zero Slams between them).

 

[Sudacafan]

Barty, because of more conservative wardrobe.

 

[abmk]

A difference of ONE slam really can't form the basis of who's greater. However, I would give the edge to Osaka, whose Slam wins have been more impressive, coming against Serena, Azarenka Kvitova and Brady (three of these were multi-Slam winners). Barty's opponents, in contrast, were Vondrousova, Pliskova and Collins (who have zero Slams between them).

I see your points about the toughness.
Azarenka came out firing in the USO 20 final and Kvitova was pretty good in the AO 21 final. Serena not very good, but not that easy either in USO 18 final.

But tbf Barty did beat Kerber in Wim 21 (semi though) and I'd rate Anisimova of RG 19 as tougher than the Serena that Osaka beat in USO 18 (though Osaka's composure in that final obviously better than Barty's vs Anisimova). Pliskova did play a good Wim final as well (though obviously form dipped compared to her semi performance)

And yes, Osaka also had to beat in-form Sabalenka at USO 18.

 

[Flash777]

What about Head to Head between the two?

Osaka seems to have a higher Peak with Barty being a more consistent Champion

 

[MurraysMetalHip]

Ashleigh Bartelby.

 

[abmk]

What about Head to Head between the two?

Osaka seems to have a higher Peak with Barty being a more consistent Champion

Their h2h is 2 all. Barty winning their grass match. Osaka up 2-1 on HC.

 

[Crocodile]

To be fair, it’s a bit early to make that call, but the trend is in Barty’s favour for sure right now. By the end of this year we should get a clearer picture and definitely by the middle of 2023.

 

[Russeljones]

If Barty quits tomorrow, who but a handful outside of Australia will remember her the day after?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

I'm surprised you authored such a thread. The WTA is itself in a massive weak era like the ATP, even if a little less egregious. If the ATP consists of nothing but mugs, so does the WTA. Higher peak level (relative to the tour obvs) but even lesser cumpetishon and no consistency. So it can hardly be pertinent which of the mugs is greater than the other.

 

[Chanwan]

I think Barty will end up with the better resumé and I'm leaning towards her now as well. But I also gotta agree with @upchuck that Osaka has produced the highest peak of the two so far. This thread needs a poll

 

[Genie Of the Bank]

Osaka all the way.

 

[aman92]

4>3 and 21>20 OP

 

[jondice]

It's pretty even so far. Barty is clearly more consistent. Osaka has more raw talent. I'd love Osaka to get back into the thick of things as I think the two of them battling it out for Slams would be great for the WTA.

 

[Magneto89]

Barty because she's won a title on three different surfaces. USO 2020 was a weak field for Osaka so it doesn't hold up as well looking back

 

[Russeljones]

Barty because she's won a title on three different surfaces. USO 2020 was a weak field for Osaka so it doesn't hold up as well looking back

Are you for real, talking about the field of Osaka's win? Tell me you are joking.

 

[Sudacafan]

Ashleigh Bartelby.

A true oxymoron construct.

 

[GhostOfNKDM]

15 titles over 7. Slams titles are close.

Winning titles is what tennis players aim to do, with majors being the most coveted titles. But even winning smaller events is not a joke - you have to be consistent week in and week out.

So Barty for me as of now.

 

[Moose Malloy]

Barty has:
3 slams - 1 AO, 1 RG, 1 Wimbledon
WTA finals: 1
15 titles total
Week at #1: 113

Osaka has:
4 slams - 2 AO, 2 USO
WTA finals: 1
7 titles total
Weeks at #1: 25

Barty has 1 less slam, but has won a slam on all 3 surfaces showcasing versatality (unlike Osaka who is yet to adapt well to clay/grass), has far more weeks at #1, has won the WTA finals, has far more titles.

Osaka's prime/peak level at USO is obviously far better as is Barty's at RG/Wim. At AO, Barty was dominant in AO 2022, as was Osaka in AO 21 (apart from the Muguruza match). Not much of a difference there. Assuming we rate Osaka a little higher, she still falls short in total.
Before this AO, Barty had not yet shown level high enough to reach a HC slam final. But AO 22 changed that significantly.

Considering both achievements and level, at this point, I'd rate Barty as greater at Osaka.

Thoughts?

I don't consider weeks at #1 a relevant stat any more. Barty played virtually no tennis in 2020, yet gets all those weeks at #1 that year counted due to rankings frozen due to pandemic. Feels a bit weird.

And going back to what you said about toughness - Osaka also saved a match point vs Muguruza at '21 AO. Many were picking Mugu to win the title that year. Also Osaka has beaten four top 10 players en route to her 4 majors, while Barty has beaten only one in her 3 majors.

FYI, Osaka is ranked 85 in the new rankings. I guess she will need a wild card to get into IW/Miami. She has played so few events in recent years, I'm not sure she is ready to start playing more in order to get back to the top 10 etc.

 

[BGod]

Osaka is a child, clearly behind Barty for professionalism and now yes, career accomplishments overall. I mean 113>25 weeks.

 

[Magneto89]

Are you for real, talking about the field of Osaka's win? Tell me you are joking.

Most players were rusty having not played for several months after early 2020. Neither Azarenka or Rogers were even ranked at the time, Brady at 28th...no crowd as well so the atmosphere/energy for the matches were way, way down. Her paths to AO19/21 & USO18 were solid though.

 

[jacob22]

Has Barty ever beaten GOAT SW at a slam...twice?

 

[Adam Copeland]

Easy

Barty is better

Weeks at 1 are a very important metric .....

 

[onefineday]

It's a tie!

 

[Moose Malloy]

Easy

Barty is better

Weeks at 1 are a very important metric .....

Yeah Barty sure did a lot to be ranked every week in 2020...

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[Blade0324]

Barty hands down!! Even if she didn't win any slams she is still greater than that spoiled baby Osaka.

 

[ibbi]

Up till this point I’d have given Osaka the edge on account of Barty could never win anything significant on a hard court (kind of like the anti-Osaka), and Osaka was clearly and obviously the mentally tougher of the too.

Now Barty has 3 out of the 4 slams and has proven a knack for having a little grit herself I think she’s pretty clearly taken the lead. More game, can win more places, and learning to deal with the big time. I’d dare say she’s the most accomplished player since the golden generation 15 years ago.