Basel 2017 QF - Roger Federer (1) vs. Adrian Mannarino (7)

How many games will Mannarino win?

  • up to 3 (gets destroyed)

    Votes: 8 22.2%

  • 3 to 8 (there is a match)

    Votes: 18 50.0%

  • 9 to 15 (there is a fight!)

    Votes: 6 16.7%

  • More than 15 (It's a drama!)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Adrian actually wins. MannarinoGOAT!

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • Total voters
    36
Pagoo said:
You sure do seem to know a lot about Federer. Shame you get it wrong more often than not.:rolleyes::D
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Oh you can set a clock to him showing up if Fed is struggling or losing a match. To remind us all about how Fed has no BH, has poor volleys, is mentally weak, average athlete, can't play on fast surfaces etc.

Mind you, despite all those numerous holes in Fed's game he still serve and volleyed his idol's *** off Centre Court as a teen. Go figure.
 
sbengte said:
Are you a Nadal fan or not ? I am so confused with your poasts.
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If he is, I think I found his identity.

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:D
 
I saw most of the match on my phone, driving:rolleyes:. Not really a good way to get the right feeling of the match. Damn Cilic to not get rid faster of players with triple score on ATP ranking .
I kind of knew it wouldn't have been a 'jogging job" for Roger, and actually Manny went over expectations.
I saw the beginning of the 1st set, and was clear that Adrian was looking after variations (even on serve) so that Roger could not get a clear timing on the ball, and this caused quite a bit of UEs from Fed. Fed struggled to get into the match. Only in the second set Roger found a better game, and in the end, the final set, Manny made some mistakes he shouldn't have made. One of all, easy BH in the middle of the court he simply netted, and that would have gave him 15-40 on Roger's serve.
Roger would have won anyway, but from a 9 to 15 (there is a fight!) it could have gone to More than 15 (It's a drama!).

Well done to the 3 winners who betted on the 9 to 15 (there is a fight!)!
 
Mannarino's depth of shot was pretty outrageous for the most part. Because of his ultra aggressive court positioning, Roger was half volleying every other shot it seemed.
 
Red Rick said:
Yeah. Thiem should totally hit flat balls on tempo with his huge swings. Also, this is a game that relies on Fed playing bad.
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Which past or present players would you compare Mannarino's game with? Fed's been pretty good vs. flat hitters in the past. See his matches vs. Davy for instance.
I do think the primary problem was Fed today, not Mannarino's style of tennis. Though he did execute it fairly well for the better part of the match.
TheGhostOfAgassi said:
How about Pouille?

Feds form tonight reminded me of his USO form.
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Pouille can trouble anyone, when he's on. I regard him as one of the biggest hurdles between Fed and a Paris final
 
TheGhostOfAgassi said:
How about Pouille?

Feds form tonight reminded me of his USO form.
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Pouille shouldn't play like that either. His game is very good, but he's not gonna hang with Federer because Fed just plays so quickly and if Pouille tries to match that he's gonna be an error machine.
 
Chanwan said:
Which past or present players would you compare Mannarino's game with? Fed's been pretty good vs. flat hitters in the past. See his matches vs. Davy for instance.
I do think the primary problem was Fed today, not Mannarino's style of tennis. Though he did execute it fairly well for the better part of the match.
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A bit with Simon, albeit with less variety in pace, and less court speed.

Obviously Fed was the problem, but Mannarino's game is a game you can't play against if you make too many errors and it's also a game which forces you to play rather agressively if you really want to pick it apart.
 
Red Rick said:
A bit with Simon, albeit with less variety in pace, and less court speed.

Obviously Fed was the problem, but Mannarino's game is a game you can't play against if you make too many errors and it's also a game which forces you to play rather agressively if you really want to pick it apart.
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I see your point, but other than both of them being a bit unorthodox, flat hitters and being able to extract more errors from the opponent than most, I don't see that much of a similarity tbh. But I guess that's still more similarity than most with Simon and Adrian ;-)
 
Chanwan said:
I see your point, but other than both of them being a bit unorthodox, flat hitters and being able to extract more errors from the opponent than most, I don't see that much of a similarity tbh. But I guess that's still more similarity than most with Simon and Adrian ;-)
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People really often try and see similarities in the wrong sense in my opinion. I think that similarities in general are gonna be really vague. Other people really have only 5 classes (servebot/ballbasher/grinder/Fed/Nadal) when in reality it's all fluid and multidimensional.

The one that annoys me by far the most is Dimitrov as Baby Fed, cause it nearly ruined Dimitrov's career and because Dimitrov's natural game is really way more conservative.
 
Red Rick said:
People really often try and see similarities in the wrong sense in my opinion. I think that similarities in general are gonna be really vague. Other people really have only 5 classes (servebot/ballbasher/grinder/Fed/Nadal) when in reality it's all fluid and multidimensional.

The one that annoys me by far the most is Dimitrov as Baby Fed, cause it nearly ruined Dimitrov's career and because Dimitrov's natural game is really way more conservative.
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Good points. and yeah, Dimi takes the ball so much later than Fed and plays way further back in court. No comparison aside from their technique baring some resemblance to one another
 
Red Rick said:
People really often try and see similarities in the wrong sense in my opinion. I think that similarities in general are gonna be really vague. Other people really have only 5 classes (servebot/ballbasher/grinder/Fed/Nadal) when in reality it's all fluid and multidimensional.

The one that annoys me by far the most is Dimitrov as Baby Fed, cause it nearly ruined Dimitrov's career and because Dimitrov's natural game is really way more conservative.
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Blame the Americans for these outlandish comparisons
 
TearTheRoofOff said:
Mannarino's depth of shot was pretty outrageous for the most part. Because of his ultra aggressive court positioning, Roger was half volleying every other shot it seemed.
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He was playing Fedr how you should. Had a good day at the office, so good on him.
Rog looking imperious though, I hope he doesn't have another dogfight with Delpo. Gotta work over that BH
 
SQA333 said:
Wow.

Kind of incredible when you think about Novak retiring from a match because of a sore throat.
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A sore throat can be really bad. I have a sore throat as we speak. Been weak since yesterday. Did not even go for a walk, and postponed some minor shopping.
Am feeling really low today.
 
Federer played three sets but he would be as fresh as a leaf in spring morning when he goes to play Goffin today. His stamina and reach on the court keeps increasing with age.
 
Sentinel said:
A sore throat can be really bad. I have a sore throat as we speak. Been weak since yesterday. Did not even go for a walk, and postponed some minor shopping.
Am feeling really low today.
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Could be an early sign of a cold? That's usually one of my first symptoms!
 
TheFifthSet said:
It's a convergence of different things, but the main reason, I would say, is that he doesn't give the opponent the necessary rhythm to impose their game. It's not merely tactical, either. His default ground strokes are just hard to deal with. Watching on TV, you could be fooled into thinking that his shots, as offensive as they are, appear flat. In reality, not only are his ground strokes pacy, they are also very heavy. In fact Federer imparts more topspin on the ball than anyone in the top 10 save for Nadal.

Another factor is how much variety he has on his serve. He tends to mix bombs down the T with sliders out wide and the odd body serve, has terrific placement and an unreadable toss. Very little room for the opposition to showcase their strengths.
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This Fed Goffin match is a perfect example of that. Goffin can’t even play his normal game of being consistent and grinding his opponents down. Barely any rallies going on. Fed isn’t allowing him to get into his rhythm. Fed is ending all the points pretty quickly.
 
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