Battle by the Border: Matt Lin vs. San Diego

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Fat Dave was only 5'9" and 275 lbs.
Good athlete, he raced Open Novice in motocross and didn't always come on last.
He was the fastest windsurfer in the '87 Ponds speed trials event, the Ponds inland in LA, gateway to the Palm Desert.
He could actually just kick a street cleaning sign, around 6'6" high and located on the curb, and land on his feet...awkward, but not falling down. That was impressive.
His surfboard stood as a sign at San Francisco Surf Shop for 20 years, a bite taken out by a shark at Pedro Point while I sat 5 feet away.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Fat Dave was only 5'9" and 275 lbs.
Good athlete, he raced Open Novice in motocross and didn't always come on last.
He was the fastest windsurfer in the '87 Ponds speed trials event, the Ponds inland in LA, gateway to the Palm Desert.
He could actually just kick a street cleaning sign, around 6'6" high and located on the curb, and land on his feet...awkward, but not falling down. That was impressive.
His surfboard stood as a sign at San Francisco Surf Shop for 20 years, a bite taken out by a shark at Pedro Point while I sat 5 feet away.
5 feet away from the shop sign?
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
5' from the left rail of Fat Dave's surfboard, him sitting aboard. Pepito, Jeff Clark (who was a wave hogging nuisance), and Mike H were also in the circle, facing us.
It's really tough to kick a street cleaning sign. I can't do it. It's located about 9" from the street, on the sidewalk or curb. You have to run along the curb, jump and kick, and land without striding the curb, or one foot slips down to the street, maybe 6", and the other stays up on the sidewalk, as you body just brush's the pole that holds the sign up.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Funny thing is I was 212 two weeks ago. I have lost 7 lbs by eating a lot (constipation was a strict no no due to groin strain) and doing no physical activity. Does tennis actually increase weight????? Or was this due to psychological fear of surgery?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Same food.
I think it is some mental issue, like feeling relaxed because I feel sorry for myself (yes that happens)
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
5' from the left rail of Fat Dave's surfboard, him sitting aboard. Pepito, Jeff Clark (who was a wave hogging nuisance), and Mike H were also in the circle, facing us.
It's really tough to kick a street cleaning sign. I can't do it. It's located about 9" from the street, on the sidewalk or curb. You have to run along the curb, jump and kick, and land without striding the curb, or one foot slips down to the street, maybe 6", and the other stays up on the sidewalk, as you body just brush's the pole that holds the sign up.
Big deal. When I was in grade school, half the boys in my class would kick dozens of street cleaning signs on the way to school every day.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Yeah, when they were lying on the ground maybe. Or when the snow raised the ground up 6'.
YOU can't kick 6'6", and neither can I, or anyone else on this forum.
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
Only girls took advantage of snow to kick street cleaning signs. The boys only kicked high-voltage transmission towers in the winter. Ah, the good old days...
 
I'm not sure I understand this reference. :)
Are you implying that Ferrer smokes the big weed to remain chill?

Suresh has reincarnated into Dhaweed Ferrer:


I am much better than the typical adult club rec player. I may be temporarily grounded now, but I am laying the foundations of a big comeback. I have changed my serve to be a monster weapon, and with my disabilities taken care of, I will move through the court like Dhaweed Ferrer.
 

Cheetah

Hall of Fame
I'm about to try the wrist assist device from the Battle sponsor PermaWrist and Tight Lines.

Just shadow swinging with this thing on... yea... I think it's pretty cool. I think I would recommend this
just based on shadow swings so far.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I was about to ask about the PermaWrist.

One question: does it allow open-face shots (like forehand slice) or is it only for flat and TS shots? Reason is there is a new thread here where a coach is asking how to prevent kids from hitting with an open face. Wonder if Perma Wrist is agnostic to this or not.
 

Cheetah

Hall of Fame
it seems to allow for all types of shots. it keeps the wrist laid back. Open / closed is not a function of the wrist.
 
I was about to ask about the PermaWrist.

One question: does it allow open-face shots (like forehand slice) or is it only for flat and TS shots? Reason is there is a new thread here where a coach is asking how to prevent kids from hitting with an open face. Wonder if Perma Wrist is agnostic to this or not.
Why would this coach want to prevent development of the slice!?
 

Cheetah

Hall of Fame
I used the PermaWrist today. It's nice. I think it would definitely help players with their swing paths and arm / wrist angles and such. I hit with it for 90+ minutes.
It provides good feedback on all your shots. On some shots I could tell that the way i normally hit was in line with the way the device had my wrist set as well as other shots where I normally do some wrist manipulation .. the device lets you know if you were flexing or extending your wrist on that shot or were in a neutral position etc... Some shots that I was perfectly fine with in the past were given a 'new look' by using the permawrist so I will incorporate some new things based on feedback from the device. I like that you can set it between anywhere from basically forcing you to hit with a laid back wrist all the way to having it 'encouraging' you to hit with a laid back wrist. It works good on all shots, fh/bh/volleys/slice etc.

Here's a demo vid of it in action:

The permawrist is made of quality material. It's well put together and is not flimsy or cheap feeling. It feels like it would last basically forever. I'd say there is a slight learning curve to it. It's easy to put on and use but you have find the right 'settings' that are best for you as it's very adjustable. You can adjust how tight it is on your forearm and you can adjust the degree of laid back wrist you want and you can adjust how must 'assist' you want in achieving the laid back wrist by altering the tension. That takes a little while to dial in to get it to where you want it. Then you have to learn how to adjust it quickly while playing. You'll understand if you try it.

Also, for me, I think I need to put a wrist band on my forearm above the permawrist because it was humid today and I was sweating a lot and that would cause the device to slip off every 10 mins so I need something to keep my arm drier when using it. But if you are dry and you have it set up correctly for your body and swing style then it will stay secure for a long time.

I give it a thumbs up and would recommend it to anyone at any level.
I like it and I'm going to use it for the next few weeks at least.
 

Tight Lines

Professional
Thanks Cheetah for the nice writeup.

Can you hit an overhead or serve with the permawrist?

Is it allowed in tournaments? ATP tournaments?
Yes, you can hit overheads and serves, but you will have to adjust the cord length to give you may be 30 degrees between the racket and the forearm.

I don't believe it is allowed in tournaments as the cord would be considered an attachment. You won't want to do it anyway. It's just a practice tool.

Harry
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Gotcha! Hope the recovery is coming along nicely. Best, BHBH
Yeah almost done. Probably will start going back to work Monday, the 7 day mark. Checkup is on Tuesday. But I have to take it slow for 4 to 5 weeks in all, and then lifelong precaution against lifting or too much bending.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
From the review, I think this product will be useful to break bad habits once and for all. For those club players who simply cannot avoid strange wrist movements after 20 years of play, nothing else will work other than physical constraints.
 

LakeSnake

Professional
My coach keeps telling me my wrist is too loose and that I break it too early. I think it is a windshield wiper motion or deviation. Would the Permawrist TM help with this kind of thing?
 

mightyrick

Legend
My coach keeps telling me my wrist is too loose and that I break it too early. I think it is a windshield wiper motion or deviation. Would the Permawrist TM help with this kind of thing?
Wrist is too loose? That actually might be an incorrect characterization where your coach isn't using completely accurate words to describe what he's seeing. Wrist being "too loose" could mean one of two things: 1) Your grip is way too loose, or 2) Your forehand is too wristy.

I haven't seen your stroke at all, but I'd be willing to bet that #2 is your problem because #1 is very rare. I've seen problem #2 more than a few times on the court. Especially with cricket and badminton players. I've even see some baseball outfielders do this because they think it gives them more distance. There's a guy who just graduated high-school who I hit with (he used to be on the local HS tennis team). Same hitch. He does it to try to get extreme stretch and racquet head speed. He even has a similar hitch in his serve motion where he overly cocks his arm/wrist right before the racquet drop.

The hitch goes like this. Right before the swing forward, you prepend this weird hitch in your swing in order to get the maximum amount of wrist stretch. This "hitch" is a quick motion, but it gives the appearance of overly-extreme wrist looseness. It happens at the pat-the-dog position. Ordinarily, your would swing forward from pat-the-dog. But with this wristy hitch, before you swing forward, you actually keep the racquet head down, but move it a little bit by cocking your arm (usually by exaggerating the separation of the elbow from the body).

My advice would be to eliminate that wristy hitch. It might feel cool when you nail it and the ball might have a ton of spin, but it is going to cause you lots of problems when you are hitting on the run or when you have a quick incoming ball and need to react quickly. Swing hitches like this can screw up your timing. When you get to pat-the-dog, just swing forward normally. No need to add anything else on. You'll have plenty of spin and pace.

(BTW -- I could be completely wrong in this post. I'm only pointing this out because I've seen like 5 or 6 players recently who have this same kind of hitch and everybody describes their swing the same way. Too loose of a wrist.)
 

LakeSnake

Professional
Wrist is too loose? That actually might be an incorrect characterization where your coach isn't using completely accurate words to describe what he's seeing. Wrist being "too loose" could mean one of two things: 1) Your grip is way too loose, or 2) Your forehand is too wristy.

I haven't seen your stroke at all, but I'd be willing to bet that #2 is your problem because #1 is very rare. I've seen problem #2 more than a few times on the court. Especially with cricket and badminton players. I've even see some baseball outfielders do this because they think it gives them more distance. There's a guy who just graduated high-school who I hit with (he used to be on the local HS tennis team). Same hitch. He does it to try to get extreme stretch and racquet head speed. He even has a similar hitch in his serve motion where he overly cocks his arm/wrist right before the racquet drop.

The hitch goes like this. Right before the swing forward, you prepend this weird hitch in your swing in order to get the maximum amount of wrist stretch. This "hitch" is a quick motion, but it gives the appearance of overly-extreme wrist looseness. It happens at the pat-the-dog position. Ordinarily, your would swing forward from pat-the-dog. But with this wristy hitch, before you swing forward, you actually keep the racquet head down, but move it a little bit by cocking your arm (usually by exaggerating the separation of the elbow from the body).

My advice would be to eliminate that wristy hitch. It might feel cool when you nail it and the ball might have a ton of spin, but it is going to cause you lots of problems when you are hitting on the run or when you have a quick incoming ball and need to react quickly. Swing hitches like this can screw up your timing. When you get to pat-the-dog, just swing forward normally. No need to add anything else on. You'll have plenty of spin and pace.

(BTW -- I could be completely wrong in this post. I'm only pointing this out because I've seen like 5 or 6 players recently who have this same kind of hitch and everybody describes their swing the same way. Too loose of a wrist.)
Thanks, mightyrick, I'll have to analyze my swing a bit to see if that's the case. I do keep a very loose grip on the racquet, which has made learning to volley a big learning curve. The time right before swinging forward is a bit of a mystery to me and has been a struggle at times. I try to make sure the strings are facing the ground and the head is pretty low.
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
The pros feel solid plow through that connects from the main anous nerve to the large intestine. Amateurs feel a vibrating scattered inconsistent sensation. The WristAssist attempted to really show what the pros feel but it fell way short. I am still looking for the one device that can help me feel what the pros feel when they connect.
 

russell

Rookie
The PermAssist may be the answer. A lot of amateurs are reporting that the rampant tingling scattering sensation has been transformed into a solid connect on every hit. Rumor has it that BradG is working on developing an Urban Sherpa sheepskin add-on for maximal plop-through.
 

russell

Rookie
Does Brad know what the pros feel? Will the PermAssist make my hair curly like Easy?
Being an inductee into the Marblehead Boosters Hall of Fame, I sure hope so. Coupled with the TossAssist, you can just let your Soul Glo. The possibilities are endless here.

 

Raul_SJ

Legend
I'm about to try the wrist assist device from the Battle sponsor PermaWrist and Tight Lines.

Just shadow swinging with this thing on... yea... I think it's pretty cool. I think I would recommend this
just based on shadow swings so far.
Does the device give feedback if you're taking too big if a swing on the volley?
 
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