Battle of the Pigeons

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As the saying goes, you're only as good as your biggest pigeon.

Federer's biggest pigeon is David Ferrer:
h2h is 17-0.

+ Career record 734–377 (66%)
+ Highest ranking no.3
+ 27 career titles
  • 1 Masters title (Paris)
  • 10 ATP 500
  • 16 ATP 250
+ 1 Slam final without losing a set en route (RG 2013 loss to Nadal)
+ 1 ATP Finals final (2007 loss to Federer)
+ 6 Masters finals
+ 10 consecutive Slam QF
+ 3 consecutive Slam SF
+ With 734 career match wins, he holds the distinction of winning the most matches on the ATP Tour without having won a major
+ Best season 2012:
  • 7 titles including Paris
  • 8 Finals
  • 2 Slam QF and 2 Slam SF
  • 76–15 win/loss ratio (84%)
+ Name is literally Federer but replace "d" with "rr" (and remove "er" in the end)
- Only met 17 times

Nadal's biggest pigeon is Richard Gasquet:
h2h is 18-0.

+ Career record 607–405 (60%)
+ Highest ranking no.7
+ 16 career titles
  • 16 ATP 250
+ 2004 Slam mixed doubles title (RG)
+ 3 Masters finals
+ 3 Slam SF
+ 2 Slam QF
+ 3 Consecutive Slam QF (one was a SF)
+ Olympic bronze medal in men's doubles at the 2012 London Olympics
+ Best season 2015 (possible contenders might be 2005, 2006, 2013):
  • 2 titles
  • 1 Slam SF
  • 1 Slam QF
  • 43–17 win/loss ratio (72%)
- Only met 18 times

Djokovic's biggest pigeon is Gael Monfils:
h2h is 20-0.

+ Career record 574–338 (63%)
+ Highest ranking no.6
+ 13 career titles
  • 3 ATP 500
  • 10 ATP 250
+ 3 Masters finals
+ 2 Slam SF
+ 8 Slam QF
+ Oldest ATP title winner in the open era (Auckland 2025) at 38 years and 131 days old
+ Best season 2016:
  • 1 title
  • 3 finals
  • 1 Slam SF (USO)
  • 1 Slam QF (AO)
  • 1 Masters final
  • 1 Masters SF
  • 2 Masters QF
  • 44-17 win/loss ratio (72%)
+ He reached at least one ATP Tour singles final every year for 19 consecutive seasons from 2005 to 2023
+ Met 20 times
* As of right now both players are still active, so there's a non zero percent chance that Monfils manages to beat an older, beatable Djokovic.

Between the three pigeons, Ferrer has the most impressive career with quite a considerable margin. After him is probably Monfils since Gasquet never won a title above 250, but Gasquet also won more titles, so you decide which is more impressive.

How did the big 3 deal with each other's pigeons?
Federer vs. Gasquet h2h: 19-2
Federer vs. Monfils h2h: 10-4
Monfils was quite an opponent for Fed while Gasquet managed to snatch 2.

Nadal vs. Ferrer h2h: 26-6
Nadal vs. Monfils h2h: 14-2
Nadal and Ferrer met 32 times with Ferrer winning a respectable 6 matches. Monfils snatched 2 matches from 16.

Djokovic vs. Ferrer h2h: 16-5
Djokovic vs. Gasquet h2h: 13-1
Ferrer won 5 matches from 21. Very respectable. Last 10 matches all went to Djokovic so it was actually 6-5 at one point. Gasquet was almost a pigeon but he managed to snatch one match in a RR match at 2007 ATP Finals.

Ferrer has a very respectable showing against Roger's foes, while Monfils gave Fed quite a headache. Gasquet a bit less so.

How did the quarrels among the pigeons themselves went?
Ferrer vs. Gasquet h2h: 10-3
Ferrer vs. Monfils h2h: 3-3
Monfils vs. Gasquet h2h: 11-7
Ferrer was pretty damn effective vs. Gasquet while. While only meeting Monfils 6 times, the two had a very competitive rivalry with Gasquet taking the first 3 matches and Ferrer taking the next 3.
The Monfils vs. Gasquet rivalry is the most prolific, which makes sense since the 2 are more close in age than the older Ferrer. Quite an epic rivalry as well with Monfils winning more matches, and Gasquet returning quite a fight.

Final Pigeon Rating:
1. Ferrer
2. Monfils
3. Gasquet


Please consider this when you choose your GOAT.
 
How many sets did each pigeon win vs their daddies? I feel like Monfils at least was more competitive vs Djokovic whereas Ferrer and Gasquet almost always lost in straight sets to Federer and Nadal, respectively.
 
Surely the great Gilles Simon deserves a mention in any thread about all-time great pigeons :giggle:

He’s not at Gasquet levels but he is a combined 4/26 against the Big 3.

Bonus points for also getting spanked by Murray 16-3 in the H2H.

Andee was always happy to beat Simon at his own game :-D

Simon once said that playing Murray drove him crazy. He managed to get 1 last revenge by beating post-hip Murray in their last meeting in a tough 3 setter at Paris-Bercy in 2022. :cool:
 
Simon once said that playing Murray drove him crazy. He managed to get 1 last revenge by beating post-hip Murray in their last meeting in a tough 3 setter at Paris-Bercy in 2022. :cool:
Murray was a nightmare for Simon. I think he enjoyed toying with him. He could play “never miss” like Simon could but he always had a totally different level in reserve that Simon didn’t.
 
20 (another record) >18>17

1. Novak Djokovic 20-0 Gael Monfils
2. Rafael Nadal 18-0 Richard Gasquet
3-5. Bjorn Borg 17-0 Vitas Gerulaitis
3-5. Ivan Lendl 17-0 Tim Mayotte
3-5. Roger Federer 17-0 David Ferrer
 
20 (another record) >18>17

1. Novak Djokovic 20-0 Gael Monfils
2. Rafael Nadal 18-0 Richard Gasquet
3-5. Bjorn Borg 17-0 Vitas Gerulaitis
3-5. Ivan Lendl 17-0 Tim Mayotte
3-5. Roger Federer 17-0 David Ferrer
Sir Federer has 2 pigeons
17-0 - Ferrer
14-0 - Kohlschreiber

2 pigeons > 1 pigeon

Does Novak have another pigeon in double digits? .

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Sir Federer has 2 pigeons
17-0 - Ferrer
14-0 - Kohlschreiber

2 pigeons > 1 pigeon

Does Novak have another pigeon in double digits? .

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Actually Fed has 5 pigeons:
Philipp Kohlschreiber 14-0
Feliciano Lopez 13-0
Mikhail Youzhny 17-0
David Ferrer 17-0
Jarkko Nieminen 15-0

But when you pick your pigeon for battle, you choose the best one.
 
Sir Federer has 2 pigeons
17-0 - Ferrer
14-0 - Kohlschreiber

2 pigeons > 1 pigeon

Does Novak have another pigeon in double digits? .

- Mr. Federer approves of this msg.
nole still has the record! and 20 is much cooler number than 17 or 14, but most important bigger number!
 
Actually Fed has 5 pigeons:
Philipp Kohlschreiber 14-0
Feliciano Lopez 13-0
Mikhail Youzhny 17-0
David Ferrer 17-0
Jarkko Nieminen 15-0

But when you pick your pigeon for battle, you choose the best one.
There is not set rule established for pigeons that you pick just one.

Given these stellar record, this actually truly solidifies Fed as the greatest Pigeon master. Obviously, the more pigeons you have the better you are. dominance against the field.
4 of those guys are top 20!!!.
Ferrer is a solid top 10 player in the strongest era.

20-0 against 1 player is an anomaly if you have no others in teens. There could be another player who has a 20-0 record against another.
As Djokovic fans like to remind people he is great on ALL surfaces, meaning not one surface, Same applies here, not against just one player.

Good thing for Djokovic is the h2h with Fritz is in double digits at 10 and should continue; Djokovic needs another two players he's winning h2h 14-0 or more.
 
nole still has the record! and 20 is much cooler number than 17 or 14, but most important bigger number!
Bigger number is 76-0 against 5 top 20 players, and Ferrer was a consistent top 10 player. Lopez had a few yrs in top 10 as well.
 
This entire post is disrespectful. Do we only suck off the Big 3 here? Are those the rules? We only talk about the GOAT's and call everyone else scrubs?
As if actually calling perennial top-tenners 'pigeons' is remotely acceptable because they failed to beat the almighty Big 3. And only to use it as a point scoring tool amongst Big 3 stans. Not one of you could even be arsed to give them the respect that they are due. They should, instead, go live in the woods for suffering the indignity of failing to beat our lord and saviours, the Holy Trinity GOAT's.

Only on TW does this stuff happen. I'm telling you, 90% of you have a genuine sickness.
 
This entire post is disrespectful. Do we only suck off the Big 3 here? Are those the rules? We only talk about the GOAT's and call everyone else scrubs?
As if actually calling perennial top-tenners 'pigeons' is remotely acceptable because they failed to beat the almighty Big 3. And only to use it as a point scoring tool amongst Big 3 stans. Not one of you could even be arsed to give them the respect that they are due. They should, instead, go live in the woods for suffering the indignity of failing to beat our lord and saviours, the Holy Trinity GOAT's.

Only on TW does this stuff happen. I'm telling you, 90% of you have a genuine sickness.
If you're not planing on winning 20 Slams why even pick a racket?
 
20 (another record) >18>17

1. Novak Djokovic 20-0 Gael Monfils
2. Rafael Nadal 18-0 Richard Gasquet
3-5. Bjorn Borg 17-0 Vitas Gerulaitis
3-5. Ivan Lendl 17-0 Tim Mayotte
3-5. Roger Federer 17-0 David Ferrer
At this rate, the Sinner-De Minaur matchup risks breaking all records.

The two are 25 and 23 years old respectively, yet they already have 10 challenges at ATP level.

But what makes the comparison even more disturbing is that of the 24 sets played, the Australian has won only one (at the tiebreak) and is currently riding an open streak of 20 consecutive sets lost against Sinner.

Then let's not forget the pigeon Tsitsipas for Alcaraz.

Instead, Djokovic is too old to think of further extending the streak with Fritz.
 
There is not set rule established for pigeons that you pick just one.

Given these stellar record, this actually truly solidifies Fed as the greatest Pigeon master. Obviously, the more pigeons you have the better you are. dominance against the field.
4 of those guys are top 20!!!.
Ferrer is a solid top 10 player in the strongest era.

20-0 against 1 player is an anomaly if you have no others in teens. There could be another player who has a 20-0 record against another.
As Djokovic fans like to remind people he is great on ALL surfaces, meaning not one surface, Same applies here, not against just one player.

Good thing for Djokovic is the h2h with Fritz is in double digits at 10 and should continue; Djokovic needs another two players he's winning h2h 14-0 or more.
4 gays is not the field! nole, as for now, has positive h2h vs ALL players he played double digit number of matches! that is real dominance over field! he has also best W% over field!
 
4 gays is not the field! nole, as for now, has positive h2h vs ALL players he played double digit number of matches! that is real dominance over field! he has also best W% over field!
but not the most h2h pigeon record. he has 2 , Fed has 5. Fed is up 5-2, 40-15 and closes it out against those 5 leaving them bagels in h2h.
 
Still surprises me Ferrer never beat Fed once. I know they had a couple of close-ish matches, the most recent being Canada 2017.

And I'm surprised they never met at a Slam.
 
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