BBC: How Andy Murray can beat Novak Djokovic

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/29041555

Andy Murray needs to find his best serving form, sharpen up from the baseline and stay rock solid mentally if he is to beat Novak Djokovic at the US Open.

Those are the views of the analyst and the ex-player as Murray prepares to face a daunting, if familiar, challenge in the US Open quarter-finals.

"Andy needs to go in there prepared to be as mentally and physically strong as possible," said Tim Henman, a US Open semi-finalist in 2004.

"You're not going to get any gifts. They play similar styles. It's about who can be aggressive, take their chances and limit their unforced errors.

"You can't just go for everything against a guy like Djokovic and make loads of mistakes. You have to get the balance right."

BBC tennis correspondent Russell Fuller's analysis
"In a BBC interview on the eve of the quarter-final, Amelie Mauresmo said she sees no reason why Murray can't win - even if he may not be at his best until 'towards the beginning of next year' when he's 'completely fresh and ready'. Murray was very fired up during his win over Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, often pleading very emotionally with himself to raise his game. 'I haven't really made up my mind on this yet,' said Mauresmo. 'He's old enough now to know what's good for him, how he should behave on the court, what brings him energy and what maybe is taking him down a little bit sometimes. It's not going to be either saying nothing or completely going crazy on the court - he has to be in the middle somewhere.'"

Murray has struggled to find that balance consistently in New York, as the statistics illustrate.

He needed four sets to beat Robin Haase in round one and Andrey Kuznetsov in round three, while Djokovic has rolled through his 12 sets with few alarms, but there were signs of a return to form in Murray's fourth-round win over Jo-Wilfried Tsonga.

Some heavier serving and impressive net play were backed up by returns that constantly troubled the Frenchman.

"When he's aggressive and he steps in, that's something I've always wanted to see him do," added Henman.

"When you're a little bit tired and don't fancy running quite as much as he has done in the past then sometimes you take more risks, and if he's going to do that then I think it bodes well for every match he plays.

"When he's stepping up the court and hitting his backhand down the line, attacking second serves, that's when he's playing his best, so I'd like to see more of that."

Taking on the world number one will require further improvement, however, and Craig O'Shannessy, lead analyst for the ATP and WTA, has been looking at some of the key areas that could decide the match in Murray's favour.

Murray & Djokovic at 2014 US Open
Murray has played 14 sets and 140 games, Djokovic has played 12 sets and 101 games

Murray has spent 10hrs 4mins on court, while Djokovic has been detained for 6hrs 33mins

Murray's fastest serve is 136mph and his average first serve 108mph, Djokovic is 125mph/112mph

Djokovic has hit four double faults to 18 from Murray

Djokovic has hit 116 winners and 81 unforced errors, Murray has hit 175 winners and 123 unforced errors

Murray has won 104 points at the net, Djokovic has won 45

Both men have made 76% of returns

Solid serving
"Murray's serve carried him to victory in the 2012 US Open final against Djokovic, the last time they played in New York, when he mainly targeted his serves out wide in the deciding fifth set. He attempted 12, made 10 and won nine - it was a masterful strategic move.

"But this year his serve is not performing nearly as well, especially compared to Djokovic's. Murray has hit 18 double faults to Djokovic's four, made 9% fewer first serves (67% to 58%) and won 7% fewer (79% to 72%) first-serve points.

"The fact that Djokovic has been broken just four times to Murray's 13 shows just how more dependable the Serb has been on serve."

Better from the baseline
"Murray's serve is not the only area of concern - his baseline play has dropped off considerably over the last two rounds. Murray won 52% of his baseline points against both of his first two opponents in Haase and Matthias Bachinger, but that dropped down to 46% points won from the back of the court in his last two matches against Kuznetsov and Tsonga.

"Tsonga is obviously a much higher-ranked player, but Murray was at 50% when he won here in 2012 and will need to have a winning percentage against Djokovic, who currently leads the tournament at 62% points won from the back of the court."

Encouraging signs
"Murray's form has ebbed and flowed but he has shown glimpses of his best tennis. In the first set against Tsonga, which he won 7-5, Murray won all nine of his approach points, 94% of first-serve points and 80% of second serve points. His average first-serve speed was a remarkable 125mph, but by the third set that had fallen off a cliff, down to 112mph.

"Murray did win 28 of 31 points at the net for the match and is tied at fifth for the tournament with 81% points won coming forward.

"In fact, Murray may be reinventing himself before our very eyes. Only three other players in the tournament have come forward more than the Scot."

The verdict
"Djokovic hasn't played brilliantly this summer," said Henman, the former British number one now playing on the ATP Champions Tour.

"But with two big-match players like Andy and Djokovic, with both of them having four matches under their belts, they've got the experience and there's no secrets between them.

"They've known each other and have been playing each other for such a long time that it really comes down to who plays best on the day.

"I definitely give Andy a chance, but for me Djokovic is the slight favourite."
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
Nice article, and some interesting stuff:

Encouraging signs
"Murray's form has ebbed and flowed but he has shown glimpses of his best tennis. In the first set against Tsonga, which he won 7-5, Murray won all nine of his approach points, 94% of first-serve points and 80% of second serve points. His average first-serve speed was a remarkable 125mph, but by the third set that had fallen off a cliff, down to 112mph.

"Murray did win 28 of 31 points at the net for the match and is tied at fifth for the tournament with 81% points won coming forward.

"In fact, Murray may be reinventing himself before our very eyes. Only three other players in the tournament have come forward more than the Scot."


Indeed. Good to see Murray trying some more aggressive tactics. Will be interesting to see how this match pans out.
 

CurrenFan

Rookie
Murray will start losing games on unforced errors and will then pout. Then he will start yelling at himself, throw tantrums and generally act like an individual less than half his age. Murray fans - this is what your hero does when faced with stiff competition.

The net result will be that Djokovic will win the last point of the match.
 
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DRII

G.O.A.T.
i think Murray is going to pull it off, actually.

which, bodes well for Federer fans...
 

jg153040

G.O.A.T.
It all depends on what weather the ATP will call out with their technology.

I think they will make it windy. They want Fed vs Murray final.
 
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Deleted member 512391

Guest
He just has to show up. Djokovic has not shown that he can beat an in-form Murray at a slam.

Murray must be a real beast, since he reached two Major finals (AO 2011/2013) and one SF (their best match, IMO) when he wasn't in form. I guess an in-form Murray has never lost a match :D

Murray played good against Tsonga and, most importantly, he was aggressive, which is what he needs to be tonight. The problem for him is that Djokovic looks a little bit better at this tournament.
When they play their best tennis, especially on hard court, Djokovic has a slight edge.
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
Dailymail also weighs in
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/te...eat-Novak-Djokovic-US-Open-quarter-final.html
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Deleted member 512391

Guest
According to The Weather Channel, the wind speed is going to be just 4 mph http://uk.weather.com/weather/hourB...rica+USNY0504:1:US?pagenum=2&nextbeginIndex=6

Very bad news for Murray.

I guess you are referring to their USO final in 2013, but that wind thing is just out of this world. They are professionals who have played in every possible conditions and it's their task to adopt their game.

If there is an excuse for Djokovic, I can only see it in the fact that he didn't have a day off (because his match with Ferrer was postponed for the next day after just one set), so eight sets for two consecutive days is too much.
Anyway, their first two sets in the final were close, could have gone either way, but Murray was just better and won the match fair and square.
 
Djokovic in 4 sets! Happy with the weather conditions too! Nice and cool, not windy like last time.

King djoko is on a mission playing superb tennis and no one is stopping him getting a 2nd us open title! Revenge time! :)
 
Murray still hasn't proven that he can beat fresh well-rested Djokovic. This match will be a test for him, a test that Murray will badly fail.
 

batz

G.O.A.T.
Wind was never the main case, Murray's luck to get exhausted Djokovic was the real case.

Murray owns Nole on faster surfaces int the same way that Nole owns Murray on slower surfaces. I make it 7-0 across Dubai, Cincy, Canada, USO, and wimbledon.

Your excuses and lack of grace could probably be seen from space.
 
Murray owns Nole on faster surfaces int the same way that Nole owns Murray on slower surfaces. I make it 7-0 across Dubai, Cincy, Canada, USO, and wimbledon.

Your excuses and lack of grace could probably be seen from space.

Murray got exposed by Djokovic at WTF and Shanghai on fast courts. Today Murray will be exposed as a fluke champion.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Murray got exposed by Djokovic at WTF and Shanghai on fast courts. Today Murray will be exposed as a fluke champion.

yeah, barely winning after having to save MPs ( shanghai ) is exposing the other player :lol:

some trolls have style and make people laugh. You are just annoying, duh !
 
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stephenbbb

Rookie
tough to call

ND has played very well, but his serve is not very dependable. he has had great serving matches followed by a bad serving match. both losses against Murray and also against Fed on clay at RG came as a result of dismal serving.
if Murray serves well and ND is under 55% Murray can win easily.
 
yeah, barely winning after having to save MPs ( shanghai ) is exposing the other player :lol:

some trolls have style and make people laugh. You are just annoying, duh !

Yes, it was hilarious to watch how Djokovic was toying with Murray who couldn't serve out for a match and convert his 4+ match-points. :) But Djokovic is even better at playing in cats and mice with Federer. Poor Roger will remember those USO semifinals till the end of his life:lol:
 

Djokodal Fan

Hall of Fame
I'm afraid....very afraid of Murray as a Novak Fan.

Novak has not beaten Murray in Grandslams for past 2 years or so.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
It's 31 degrees there right now. Not sure how Murray deals with the heat.

Murray handles the heat fine. If anything it will hamper Novak who still seems to get troubled by the heat. Luckily the match is at night though.
 

batz

G.O.A.T.
Murray got exposed by Djokovic at WTF and Shanghai on fast courts. Today Murray will be exposed as a fluke champion.

WTF and Shanghai aren't fast IMO - but let's just go with it and say they are.

So Murray owns Nole 7-2 on fast surfaces then?
 

conway

Banned
While I like Murray more than Djokovic, I hope Djokovic wins just because I dont want to see Federer handed the title on a silver platter. If Federer wins another slam then I dont want to see it the easy way without having to play either one of Djokovic or Nadal.
 
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Laurie

Guest
I know these days in mens tennis, advising someone to take more risks is like asking a player to jump over a cliff. After all, it is mens tennis and men should play like men, all this solid play rubbish drives me mad.

Now, the statistics on the BBC show Murray has hit more winners and made more errors and won over twice the amount of points at net than Djokovic. This clearly illustrates to me that if Murray wants to win this match he will have to put Djokovic under pressure and be willing to shorten some of those points and not let Djokovic get in a rhythm; easier said than done. Be prepared to hit more winners and make more errors as long as its more winners than errors by a good margin.

I like the chip and charge play on return of serve, or drive and charge actually. When Mauresmo played she often "hustled" as Jo Durie used to put it. If its the case that Mauresmo has persuaded Murray to do this, its a bit ironic a woman has to tell a man to plan manly tactics.

And I absolutely endorse these tactics, lets see if Murray can do it, unfortunately it is on so late I wont be able to watch it. Could they not have done Serena v Pennetta another time today?
 

conway

Banned
Shanghai is definitely fast. In todays conditions it is probably one of the fastest courts there is. WTF must be fast compared to other surfaces today given how much Nadal struggles on it. Could anyone imagine Federer beating Nadal 6-3, 6-0 on a slow court.

Murray is better on fast surfaces than slow, and Djokovic is better and more dominant on slow than fast, so it makes sense Murray would do better vs Djokovic on fast than slow. Still surprised he leads 7-2 or 7-3 on faster courts though. I still favor Djokovic going into most matches they play even on faster courts, and especialy in the current form of both guys.
 
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Fedex

Legend
Aren't the USO courts playing slower than ever?

If so then that's not a good sign for Murray.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Murray got exposed by Djokovic at WTF and Shanghai on fast courts.

Don't you think it was a tad careless of Djokovic to wait until he had to defend FIVE match points at 2012 Shanghai before 'exposing' him? But I forget...you don't think, do you?

Today Murray will be exposed as a fluke champion.

In that case, I expect Nadal must have exposed Djokovic as a fluke champion when he beat him in the final last year! :rolleyes:
 
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JoshT

Semi-Pro
Chico, have you met AssaultJoker?

AssaultJoker, Chico.....Chico, AssaultJoker.

There, fast friends.

Now now everyone, don't start undermining Djokovic, or underlining Djokovic, he has a chance. We all know how wonderfully he played in Toronto and Cincinatti, maybe he can bring some of that brilliant form into this match.

Honestly, 50/50 either way at this point for me.
 

Defcon

Hall of Fame
While I like Murray more than Djokovic, I hope Djokovic wins just because I dont want to see Federer handed the title on a silver platter. If Federer wins another slam then I dont want to see it the easy way without having to play either one of Djokovic or Nadal.

Who cares about the easy/hard way. A win is a win. If we start looking at draws then half the slams Rafa has won should be thrown out because of joke draws.
 

batz

G.O.A.T.
Aren't the USO courts playing slower than ever?

If so then that's not a good sign for Murray.

It's all relative mate - they're still pretty bloody quick!

Good work from your team at the weekend there BTW :)
 

conway

Banned
Who cares about the easy/hard way. A win is a win. If we start looking at draws then half the slams Rafa has won should be thrown out because of joke draws.

There isnt any slam Nadal won he didnt beat atleast 1 of his 2 biggest rivals, or in the very rare cases he didnt there wasnt anyone who had a hope in hell of beating him (2010 French, 2010 Wimbledon) in those particular events. If Nadal ever plays a slam he doesnt beat atleast 1 of Federer or Djokovic (or Djokovic and whoever is Nadal's other biggest competitor by then), or it was an event he avoided both and either one had any feasible chance to beat him, I will agree with you.
 
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Deleted member 512391

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There isnt any slam Nadal won he didnt beat atleast 1 of his 2 biggest rivals, or in the very rare cases he didnt there wasnt anyone who had a hope in hell of beating him (2010 French, 2010 Wimbledon) in those particular events. If Nadal ever plays a slam he doesnt beat atleast 1 of Federer or Djokovic (or Djokovic and whoever is Nadal's other biggest competitor by then), or it was an event he avoided both and either one had any feasible chance to beat him, I will agree with you.

Federer's USO draw in 2006 would be a nightmare for Nadal, IMO. Prime/peak Blake in QF, prime/peak Davydenko in SF and prime Roddick in final, and any version of Nadal (including 2010/2013) would have to play out of his mind to win those matches.

You know, you don't need Federer/Djokovic to have a horror draw.
 

Fedex

Legend
It's all relative mate - they're still pretty bloody quick!

Good work from your team at the weekend there BTW :)

Ha bet you enjoyed that.

Dundee FC now unbeaten in 7 league and cup matches, dropping two points against Celtic, beating Man City 2-0 Negredo, Nasri, Navas, Jovetic, Fernando and Rodwell et all.

Maybe the sleeping giant is waking again?
 

TommyA8X

Hall of Fame
Shanghai is definitely fast. In todays conditions it is probably one of the fastest courts there is. WTF must be fast compared to other surfaces today given how much Nadal struggles on it. Could anyone imagine Federer beating Nadal 6-3, 6-0 on a slow court.

Murray is better on fast surfaces than slow, and Djokovic is better and more dominant on slow than fast, so it makes sense Murray would do better vs Djokovic on fast than slow. Still surprised he leads 7-2 or 7-3 on faster courts though. I still favor Djokovic going into most matches they play even on faster courts, and especialy in the current form of both guys.

WTF is not a fast court. It is medium paced, but low bouncing. That's why Federer easily handles Nadal there
 
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