Beating Nadal at Roland Garros = the gr8est feat in tennis = RG is the biggest slam

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During the career of Rafael Nadal, no achievement is greater than winning Roland Garros, it is now apparent. Of course unless you play him in the final, beating Nadal does not mean you win Roland Garros. You must complete the job. Complete the job, and you are an automatic legend.
 
Jeffrey573639 said:
btw Rock Strongo am I right to assume you're a Zelda fan? Or is your sig just coincidence?
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I adore the Zelda series. Haven't been able to get to finish Skyward Sword for the past three years now because of a missing nunchuck but yes. Love it to pieces.

That Hy-aah is from Ocarina of Time.
 
It's seems like a ton of player despise playing on clay so RG doesn't have the depth of competition that the other slams do. That's not a knock on Rafa though. You could bring back the all time great clay courters and Rafa would still win. Nole probably should have beat Rafa this year, but his greatness on the surface was too much to overcome.
 
The only surface less comfortable than clay, is grass.

We are in an the greatest baseline/stamina era ever, hence the greatest clay era ever.
 
Fed is the 2nd greatest clay courter this era and he can't even handle 5 set matches as of 2008
 
OKUSA said:
Fed is the 2nd greatest clay courter this era and he can't even handle 5 set matches as of 2008
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But Federer won 2 slams in 2009 by winning epic 5-setters at Roland Garros and Wimbledon. Federer was stretched to the limit more than once at Roland Garros in 2009 and delivered.
 
Interesting to note that Roddick was the big American server of the post-Sampras era. Roddick couldn't move on clay, and gave up on the surface altogether. Then came Isner. Isner is the big American server of the post-Roddick era. Isner, took Nadal to 5 sets at Roland Garros. Talk about opposites. That is how strong this clay era is. Just about everyone can play on clay at a high level. Very few whereas consistently win on grass.
 
OKUSA said:
And lost 2 5-set finals in the same year due to fatigue
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I'm not surprised Federer lost at the US Open 2009. It had been a VERY long year - since Borg, only Nadal and Federer have won Roland Garros and Wimbledon in the same year (Nadal twice). And of course Federer lost at AO 2009, it was vs the player who hurts him the most (Nadal). Bottom line, you just said "Fed is the 2nd greatest clay courter this era and he can't even handle 5 set matches as of 2008" yet....

2009 Roland Garros:
Federer def. Haas 6-7(4), 5-7, 6-4, 6-0, 6-2
Federer def. Del Potro 3-6, 7-6(2), 2-6, 6-1, 6-4

2009 Wimbledon:
Federer def. Roddick 5-7, 7-6(6), 7-6(5), 3-6, 16-14
 
NADALbULLS said:
We are in an the greatest baseline/stamina era ever, hence the greatest clay era ever.
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This... actually makes a lot of sense. It doesn't take into account movement on clay vs. other surfaces, but it is true that today's style of play all year round is very clay-friendly, so players may have developed a very clay-friendly game inherently. This might actually be the greatest clay era ever (and one of the weakest grass eras).
 
Rock Strongo said:
I adore the Zelda series. Haven't been able to get to finish Skyward Sword for the past three years now because of a missing nunchuck but yes. Love it to pieces.

That Hy-aah is from Ocarina of Time.
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Nothing beats Link to the Past and Majorca Mask(Evil Moon thing)!:evil:
 
Masayoshi said:
This... actually makes a lot of sense. It doesn't take into account movement on clay vs. other surfaces, but it is true that today's style of play all year round is very clay-friendly, so players may have developed a very clay-friendly game inherently. This might actually be the greatest clay era ever (and one of the weakest grass eras).
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Definitely, because a guy like Ferrer has the game to severely damage a lot of the guys we rate as great 80s/90s clay-courters. And obviously Federer/Djokovic would do even more damage to those guys. But Ferrer, just based on his physicality alone, would dominate nearly everyone of the previous clay eras.
 
Djokovic has already done it. He just lost to Pascal Maria, officials who refused to water the court and that #$@!@% net.
 
Nole trailed Nadal until the beginning of the 5th set

Rjtennis said:
It's seems like a ton of player despise playing on clay so RG doesn't have the depth of competition that the other slams do. That's not a knock on Rafa though. You could bring back the all time great clay courters and Rafa would still win. Nole probably should have beat Rafa this year, but his greatness on the surface was too much to overcome.
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I am tired of this notion that Nole should have beaten Nadal at RG13.:mad:

Nole was given a bread stick in the 3rd set. Nadal was leading by a set and a break at the start of the match. Nadal served for the match in the 4th set. Nole only led by a break at the beginning of the 5th set but was broken by Nadal to level the match at 4:4. Nadal already had break points before Djoko crashed into the net, in any case Djoko would not have made that ball without crashing into the net. Nadal broke Djokovic to love to win the match.
 
Wimbledon is the tournament they all want to win. But I do agree with the logic of the OP. Nadal, on crutches, life support, and missing both feet is still unstoppable in France.

Not even Djoker at his best could find a way to break him - twice he's come SO close but twice Nadal has just held his forehead at arm's length.

Right now RG is an excruciatingly dull slam - no one bar Rafa needs to show up because no one will win bar Rafa.

So yes, I'd agree that beating him in the final would indeed be the biggest achievement in tennis right now.

But it's not the biggest slam and never will be.

Agree Wimby is #1, then US Open, then for me a tie between the other 2.
 
All the slams are of equal value. They all start off with 128 players, the winner has to win best of 5 sets for 7 rounds, they all award the same number of points. I don't see why any one slam can be bigger than another.

Yes Wimbledon is the oldest; that's all.

The domination of RG by Nadal over nearly a decade makes it the most sought after.
 
^ Oldest & widely considered the most prestigious; also most coveted by the pros.

Murrayfan31 said:
Winning Wimbledon is the biggest achievement. Than the US Open. RG comes 3rd. Than the Aussie Open.
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"Then" not "Than". But, yes, this pecking order of the slams is the most common perception.

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Chico said:
Djokovic has already done it. He just lost to Pascal Maria, officials who refused to water the court and that #$@!@% net.
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Weren't you watching the match or something? They did what Djokovic asked. They watered the court mid-match, specifically because Djokovic asked them to. The question is, why did Djokovic keep asking after that? This was the only match of the entire 2 weeks that I saw a player asking for the court to be watered.
 
6-3 6-0 said:
RSoderling is the GOAT then. Who agrees? :twisted:
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If Sodering had won Roland Garros after beating Nadal, then Soderling would have been a legend.

zagor said:
Wimbledon is the biggest slam, always was, deal with it.
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Too bad there is no grass season. Then that surface would be taken more seriously. Its just not a surface players are developed on. Too bad. We'd get some high quality Wimbledons if the grass surface was more common.
 
NADALbULLS said:
Weren't you watching the match or something? They did what Djokovic asked. They watered the court mid-match, specifically because Djokovic asked them to. The question is, why did Djokovic keep asking after that? This was the only match of the entire 2 weeks that I saw a player asking for the court to be watered.
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No they didn't. They refused to water down the extremely dry court at 6-7 in the 5th set, which basically decided the match, together with earlier Pascal Maria's mistakes.

It was also the warmest and pretty much only warm and completely sunny day during this year RG. They regularly water down clay courts under such conditions.
 
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NADALbULLS said:
During the career of Rafael Nadal, no achievement is greater than winning Roland Garros, it is now apparent. Of course unless you play him in the final, beating Nadal does not mean you win Roland Garros. You must complete the job. Complete the job, and you are an automatic legend.
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Great point.

Only if he makes it to the finals
Does he prove he is physically in shape.

Anyone can have a hiccup ( actually spelled hiccough ...no?)
 
Nadal said that, as a kid, he wanted to win Wimbledon the most.

He settled on what works for him (red dirt) and is satisfied with this.

Why can't the members of the ************* do the same and constantly are looking for ways to boost his achievemnts by "increasing the value" of what he has achieved (OG and now RG)?

I don't see any Federer fans talking about how much more important US Open is to RG, despite the relative success that Federer has compared to RG. Or to compare the WTF to a Major, as are doing many fans of Nadal with OG.
 
NADALbULLS said:
Clearly. Djokovic and Federer would both beat Borg on clay.
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Uhhhh...how old are you? There's NOTHING clear when you compare 2 different eras. Having seen them both play in their primes and under the conditions present at that specific time, your statement can only be interpreted as an uninformed opinion...which is ok as that is what constitutes most of the comments on these boards.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
Nadal said that, as a kid, he wanted to win Wimbledon the most.

He settled on what works for him (red dirt) and is satisfied with this.

Why can't the members of the ************* do the same and constantly are looking for ways to boost his achievemnts by "increasing the value" of what he has achieved (OG and now RG)?

I don't see any Federer fans talking about how much more important US Open is to RG, despite the relative success that Federer has compared to RG. Or to compare the WTF to a Major, as are doing many fans of Nadal with OG.
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Holy Moley batman a fair minded TW poster?

I think the Nadal "brigade" as you call it simply reacts to the years of attacks on Nadal by the " ******** nation".

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The Dark Knight said:
I think the Nadal "brigade" as you call it simply reacts to the years of attacks on Nadal by the " ******** nation".
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The VB is actually a website dedicated to Nadal. ******** Nation, not so much. Didn't get that information on the relentless fighters newsletter?
 
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NADALbULLS said:
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Too bad there is no grass season. Then that surface would be taken more seriously. Its just not a surface players are developed on. Too bad. We'd get some high quality Wimbledons if the grass surface was more common.
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'tis a shame indeed. Historically, it was so. Prior to 1975, 3 of the slams were played on grass. The French was the odd one out. The USO changed in '75. The AO was last played on grass in '87.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
Nadal said that, as a kid, he wanted to win Wimbledon the most.
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Yeah, Nadal wanted to win Wimbledon, but once he did in 2008, it was all about Roland Garros. Nadal skipped Wimbledon in 2009, because he was so heartbroken over his Roland Garros loss. I saw him play an exhibition match just before he withdrew from Wimbledon. He definitely was fit enough to play. He just didn't feel like it.

Think about what would have happened if Nadal lost 2013 Roland Garros. Now look at Nadal's reaction to losing 2013 Wimbledon :lol:

Winning Roland Garros is ESSENTIAL to Nadal. Wimbledon, he can take it or leave it.
 
NADALbULLS said:
Yeah, Nadal wanted to win Wimbledon, but once he did in 2008, it was all about Roland Garros. Nadal skipped Wimbledon in 2009, because he was so heartbroken over his Roland Garros loss. I saw him play an exhibition match just before he withdrew from Wimbledon. He definitely was fit enough to play. He just didn't feel like it.

Think about what would have happened if Nadal lost 2013 Roland Garros. Now look at Nadal's reaction to losing 2013 Wimbledon :lol:

Winning Roland Garros is ESSENTIAL to Nadal. Wimbledon, he can take it or leave it.
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Nadal was also caught up in the divorce of his parents in 2009, which was coupled with his knee injury.
 
NADALbULLS said:
During the career of Rafael Nadal, no achievement is greater than winning Roland Garros, it is now apparent. Of course unless you play him in the final, beating Nadal does not mean you win Roland Garros. You must complete the job. Complete the job, and you are an automatic legend.
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Hello, Multiple Accounts King!

So, if beating RNadal at RG is the greatest feat in tennis, then beating the guy who conquered Nads there must necessarily rank as our sport's supremest accomplishment.

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