Beating Nadal in the FO final would make Novak the best ever irrespective of the Slam race

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Tennis is not like boxing where two greats meet for a title. It's a tournament-based event where all sorts of things can go wrong. Nothing really decisive turns on the FO unless there's a beat-down.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
I respect the opinion and Novak's accomplishment if it happens, but it is only an opinion, not a fact.

Especially considering Novak would still trail both in the slam race. Many people (probably even a majority) will look to that number and say Novak is still 3rd best regardless of whether he beats Nadal in the RG Final.

So I can spin that too, and make it my opinion and nobody can prove it's wrong by spitting DCGS stuff at me.

Whether Novak is eventually the slam leader and that makes him the "GOAT" or most accomplished player of all time is another matter entirely. I agree it's a huge match for his slam leader aspirations.
 
I don't know about that. But it is clear that beating Nadal in the FO final is one huge achievement for any player. I am sure if Djokovic wins, the satisfaction will be much better than if he had to play Schwartzman or Thiem in final. Just like THIS FO will have more appeal than his win against Murray in 2016. In his mind, I think it would be the biggest achievement of his career. (I don't think it'd make him the ultimate goat yet)...
 

CYGS

Legend
This is 34 years old Nadal, and the conditions are not even close to standard RG. Djokovic played prime Nadal lots of times in RG, and he always lost. Beating an old, past his prime Nadal at the Djokovic Open will not change that.
Djokovic won the most recent Djokodal RG meeting.
 

Standaa

G.O.A.T.
This is 34 years old Nadal, and the conditions are not even close to standard RG. Djokovic played prime Nadal lots of times in RG, and he always lost. Beating an old, past his prime Nadal at the Djokovic Open will not change that.
you mean the same Nadal who still wins French Opens in his sleep without losing a set, not losing sets even in these conditions? The same Nadal who still has the edge in the rivalry on clay?
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
No.

That's like as saying Nadal beating the supposed best hardcourt player ever in his prime TWICE in the US Open final makes him the GOAT.

If Djokovic somehow wins, it just means he has another slam and is closer to the slam record. And a double career slam for bragging rights. But the GOAT race continues....
 

Djokinho

New User
No.

That's like as saying Nadal beating the supposed best hardcourt player ever in his prime TWICE in the US Open final makes him the GOAT.

If Djokovic somehow wins, it just means he has another slam and is closer to the slam record. And a double career slam for bragging rights. But the GOAT race continues....
I think you're a little wrong.

The comparison should be with the Australian Open, as it would be the title that would give Nadal the DCGS.
 

daphne

Professional
This is 34 years old Nadal, and the conditions are not even close to standard RG. Djokovic played prime Nadal lots of times in RG, and he always lost. Beating an old, past his prime Nadal at the Djokovic Open will not change that.
If Nadl is old and gets beaten up by Novk (who is of slightly less seasoned vintage) it is time for Nadl's immediate retirement, followed up by Fedr's retirement who is a senior citizen in comparison to these two very old people. Randolph and Mortimer would concur!
 

daphne

Professional
you mean the same Nadal who still wins French Opens in his sleep without losing a set, not losing sets even in these conditions? The same Nadal who still has the edge in the rivalry on clay?
He has been saying what he has been saying for 3 weeks now, so if Nadl loses to Novk he lost because he is an old man with a new set of balls that had not fit well with his prostate. However, if the old grampa Ralph wins, Novk is sooooo bad as a player, in this weak era that it is unheard of. The TTW member will live in this case because he called it wrong but Ralph got to #20 which matters more to him than being right :)
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
you mean the same Nadal who still wins French Opens in his sleep without losing a set, not losing sets even in these conditions? The same Nadal who still has the edge in the rivalry on clay?
Well, Djokovic fans complained a lot about Nadal's easy draw, they said he didn't even face a top-70 player before the semifinal. So it wouldn't be correct to use him destroying such mugs as an indicator of him being at his peak, don't you think? He faced mugs, hence he won easy. But he isn't anywhere near his best.
 
I don't know about that. But it is clear that beating Nadal in the FO final is one huge achievement for any player. I am sure if Djokovic wins, the satisfaction will be much better than if he had to play Schwartzman or Thiem in final. Just like THIS FO will have more appeal than his win against Murray in 2016. In his mind, I think it would be the biggest achievement of his career. (I don't think it'd make him the ultimate goat yet)...
This.
 

Standaa

G.O.A.T.
Well, Djokovic fans complained a lot about Nadal's easy draw, they said he didn't even face a top-70 player before the semifinal. So it wouldn't be correct to use him destroying such mugs as an indicator of him being at his peak, don't you think? He faced mugs, hence he won easy. But he isn't anywhere near his best.
Nadal beat relatively easily Thiem in the last couple FOs, who beat Djokovic en route to the final.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
Nadal beat relatively easily Thiem in the last couple FOs, who beat Djokovic en route to the final.
And the final will now be played INDOORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Djokovic is the luckiest player in the history of tennis, and it isn't even close.
 

Otacon

Hall of Fame
I'm not even talking about a DCGS, I'm simply pointing out that beating Nadal in a Bo5 clay final is the hardest thing to do in sports.
If Novak somehow succeeds, it's game, set and match to me regarding this debate.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
I'm not even talking about a DCGS, I'm simply pointing out that beating Nadal in a Bo5 clay final is the hardest thing to do in sports.
If Novak somehow succeeds, it's game, set and match to me regarding this debate.
In indoor conditions??? You cannot be serious.
 
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