Becker: Djokovic suffered due to Federer and Nadal absence...

RF-18 said:
As I said earlier, sometimes you can't do anything about motivation when you are dead burnt.

I made a post earlier what Djokovic did during the one year span. He is the only player in history that experienced what he did along with Laver,so only they know how it feels after that. But Djokovic probably had it even tougher cause he was winning WTFs and masters between all this.

I'm not surprised someone can't take it anymore after that. Hell I'm surprised any human can keep on going for so long without breaking down during the process.It's just so much pressure and staying focused.
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Well, how much pressure it was for Rafa to keep adding a FO every year from 2005-2015 (except one) ?

How much pressure it was for Fed to do 18 of 19 finals ?

Those were much more in comparison to what Novak faced.
 
joekapa said:
Bye bye Fed fan boys (there is a difference bw fanboys and fans)......will be ignoring all you cult members.

By the way, pick up a racket, and go and have a hit. Most of you are 3.0 level players, who try to dress like pros. A laughing stock on the court. A laughing stock on this forum.

Cheerio.
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Bro, you don't want me picking up a racquet and stepping on to the court with you. I would straight kick your ass six ways to Sunday.
 
cc0509 said:
The chicken's way out! You can't handle the truth obviously.

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RF-18 said:
As I said earlier, sometimes you can't do anything about motivation when you are dead burnt.

I made a post earlier what Djokovic did during the one year span. He is the only player in history that experienced what he did along with Laver,so only they know how it feels after that. But Djokovic probably had it even tougher cause he was winning WTFs and masters between all this.

I'm not surprised someone can't take it anymore after that. Hell I'm surprised any human can keep on going for so long without breaking down during the process.It's just so much pressure and staying focused.
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I understand where you're coming from, but just to give you a similar example:

Federer did what no man was able to do during 2004-2007. His dominance before or after during a stretch like that still hasn't been matched. And he still wanted to keep going, despite not playing at his best level every time afterwards, reaching final after final in slams.

Yes, he did not win 4 in a row like Djovak, but he still did something that has still remained unmatched and only he knows how it feels. His level did drop in ulterior years but I rarely felt he lacked motivation to this level that Djokovic is experimenting.

By the way, Djokovic winning 4 in a row is an amazing achievement but Laver's task was more difficult as he had to do it over the course of an entire season. Djokovic at least had the post WTF break to recharge his batteries. Laver did not have that kind of break.
 
mike danny said:
I understand where you're coming from, but just to give you a similar example:

Federer did what no man was able to do during 2004-2007. His dominance before or after during a stretch like that still hasn't been matched. And he still wanted to keep going, despite not playing at his best level every time afterwards, reaching final after final in slams.

Yes, he did not win 4 in a row like Djovak, but he still did something that has still remained unmatched and only he knows how it feels. His level did drop in ulterior years but I rarely felt he lacked motivation to this level that Djokovic is experimenting.

By the way, Djokovic winning 4 in a row is an amazing achievement but Laver's task was more difficult as he had to do it over the course of an entire season. Djokovic at least had the post WTF break to recharge his batteries. Laver did not have that kind of break.
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Oh man, how can you even compare those two eras ? Are you serious ? In Laver's day the AO wasn't even played by the best players in the world. It was more or less a tournament played by us Aussies. In today's terms it would be a 500 level tournament at most.


What Djokovic did with the 4 in a row was UNBELIEVABLE. Murray said that we will probably never see it again in our lifetime.

If it was easy to hold 4 in a row, it would have been done more frequently. But it isn't.
 
joekapa said:
Oh man, how can you even compare those two eras ? Are you serious ? In Laver's day the AO wasn't even played by the best players in the world. It was more or less a tournament played by us Aussies. In today's terms it would be a 500 level tournament at most.


What Djokovic did with the 4 in a row was UNBELIEVABLE. Murray said that we will probably never see it again in our lifetime.

If it was easy to hold 4 in a row, it would have been done more frequently. But it isn't.
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One swallow does not make a summer.
 
mike danny said:
I understand where you're coming from, but just to give you a similar example:

Federer did what no man was able to do during 2004-2007. His dominance before or after during a stretch like that still hasn't been matched. And he still wanted to keep going, despite not playing at his best level every time afterwards, reaching final after final in slams.

Yes, he did not win 4 in a row like Djovak, but he still did something that has still remained unmatched and only he knows how it feels. His level did drop in ulterior years but I rarely felt he lacked motivation to this level that Djokovic is experimenting.

By the way, Djokovic winning 4 in a row is an amazing achievement but Laver's task was more difficult as he had to do it over the course of an entire season. Djokovic at least had the post WTF break to recharge his batteries. Laver did not have that kind of break.
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Well it has gone 6 months now since FO. Lets see how motivated djokovic will look in 2017. Maybe it was just temporary? We don't know. Lets see.
 
Not a fan of Boris, but he's got a valid point here. Outside the usual big 4 (and special appearences by Stan the man), the ATP looks extremely weak at the moment. Getting to the top is one thing, staying there is another. In order to stay motivated and keep improving, you need opposition, you need to fear your opponents.Otherwise, it's pretty easy to stop trying because you already dominate. Who's going to push you out of your top spot anyways? Injury prone Nishikori? Serve bot Raonic? Marty McFly aka Goffin? Old underachievers like Tsonga & Berdych? Nadal & Federer played a pivotal role in making Djokovic become the player he is today. If he wanted to compete with legends, he needed to work and improve to play like one. Let's not kid ourselves about Murray, he was always great, but Djokovic always had the edge when it mattered, it's only this year that Murray has been able to break away and really challenge Novak.
 
cc0509 said:
No, it really isn't. Did you see the big fuss the media made over that accomplishment? :rolleyes:

The CYGS is much more valuable and yet your hero wilted like a lettuce leaf left out in the sun when he should have been motivated to win the CYGS and to chase Federer's record. Why the hell would he lose motivation with those goals in possible reach? That's right, he wouldn't. Something doesn't make sense here.
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Imazing anaylsis.
 
cc0509 said:
Except it's not the same as the CYGS at all. It's a great accomplishment but it doesn't have the perceived value of a CYGS which is the ultimate tennis goal.
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Bah! Auz Open used to be beginning of year, then end of year, and no beginning of year. Having all 4 slams in the cabinet is nearly, but not quite the same. Laver won three of his on grass, so Djokovic's is the better accomplishment.

Agree 100% sense that something doesn't make sense in the Djokovic drop off; seems like blood in the water to me.
 
joekapa said:
So you think it's that easy, do you ?

It's called quality over quantity.

Your guy had to wait 5 years into his career to have a rival. And got beaten ruthlessly once he found him.
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I really like your consistent bias towards the modern game.:D A dose of refreshing reality.o_O You've crossed the line a bit on this one though.:oops:
 
cc0509 said:
Of course he did. He said:

"His time was with Nadal, with Federer. Andy was always the fourth guy."

"So he lost a little bit of his opponents. Murray is showing something he hasn't shown before."

He's saying Murray has stepped up only NOW. What about before that and for the past two years? Who were Djokovic's challengers in that period? Bert and Ernie?

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Nadal and Federer.
 
Roddick85 said:
Not a fan of Boris, but he's got a valid point here. Outside the usual big 4 (and special appearences by Stan the man), the ATP looks extremely weak at the moment. Getting to the top is one thing, staying there is another. In order to stay motivated and keep improving, you need opposition, you need to fear your opponents.Otherwise, it's pretty easy to stop trying because you already dominate. Who's going to push you out of your top spot anyways? Injury prone Nishikori? Serve bot Raonic? Marty McFly aka Goffin? Old underachievers like Tsonga & Berdych? Nadal & Federer played a pivotal role in making Djokovic become the player he is today. If he wanted to compete with legends, he needed to work and improve to play like one. Let's not kid ourselves about Murray, he was always great, but Djokovic always had the edge when it mattered, it's only this year that Murray has been able to break away and really challenge Novak.
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I would get very angry with the weak era nonsense thrown around here before this, but its official. IT'S A WEAK ERA and has been since Wimbledon. With Djokovic's self-assessment after WTF its clear Murray has stepped up his game and the Big 3 are all but gone. Peakray ready to truly clean up in 2017 if his level stays up.

@tennisaddict, Becker was complimenting Murray quite highly post French Open roughly. Djokovic said after WTF, that "we" did not think we had a chance in the final. They knew Nole' level was down, but they also knew that Murray was at a very high level. The Murray of Spring 2016 might be debated, but except for Clayray in 2015, Murray was the same 4th member of the big 4 before this. Becker probably wishfully thinking that Murray's ascent will motivate his charge; he may retire in 2017 if he doesn't show further motivation. As CC sez something does not add up here with Djokovic.:confused:
 
Not sure if Boris has quite got to the heart of the matter. After all, Nadal has not been any kind of threat to Djokovic since 2014 while Federer has only occasionally posed a challenge on some of the smaller stages (Masters and so on) but has not been a real threat to him on the biggest stages since about 2012. Murray has not been a real threat where it counts since 2013 and is only now just starting to challenge again on the biggest stages by unexpectedly grabbing Djokovic's no.#1 ranking.

Winning RG and completing the CGS has obviously been a turning point but while a momentary loss of focus and motivation might be understandable it is difficult to escape the feeling that something a bit more personal has been going on with Djokovic. Not sure what but the appearance of Guru Pepe in his life and talk of changing to vegan diets etc. look like manifestations of some need to change things in his life. It has probably caused a weakening of focus on his tennis and may even have contributed to a slight physical decline.

It will be interesting to see how he shapes up in 2017. Will this crisis continue and continue to affect his tennis or will it be resolved so he can get back to focussing on the challenge for the top spot and the big titles again?
 
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cc0509 said:
I know English isn't your first language but the comment from Becker--"he didn't have any opponents anymore" is a pretty good implication that the rest of the field outside of Fedal is weak.
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This is the point where I'd admit to being wrong
RF-18 said:
Well he mentioned other stuff that was the reason for loss of motivation if we look at the article. He didn't have any big goal anymore, and he started prioritizing off court stuff. So Becker doesn't just mention nadal and federer
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Then again, I'm not you :D:eek:
 
Djokovic is gutted that he did not win the gold medal at the OG. He probably thought all he had to do was turn up and now he knows that Federer, Nadal, Murray and Wawrinka all have Olympic Gold Medals and he will never have one. That's got to hurt and make him feel deflated.
 
Roddick85 said:
Not a fan of Boris, but he's got a valid point here. Outside the usual big 4 (and special appearences by Stan the man), the ATP looks extremely weak at the moment. Getting to the top is one thing, staying there is another. In order to stay motivated and keep improving, you need opposition, you need to fear your opponents.Otherwise, it's pretty easy to stop trying because you already dominate. Who's going to push you out of your top spot anyways? Injury prone Nishikori? Serve bot Raonic? Marty McFly aka Goffin? Old underachievers like Tsonga & Berdych? Nadal & Federer played a pivotal role in making Djokovic become the player he is today. If he wanted to compete with legends, he needed to work and improve to play like one. Let's not kid ourselves about Murray, he was always great, but Djokovic always had the edge when it mattered, it's only this year that Murray has been able to break away and really challenge Novak.
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Agree except for the last bit, Andy challenged Novak plenty last time under Lendl prior to his back surgery. US 12, W 13, Olympics semi etc.
 
Not sure why anyone would find Becker's comments smug, because they are absolutely true. Fed, Nadal and Djoko have 17, 14 and 12 Slam titles, respectively. Murray has 3. For anyone not to call him the "fourth" guy would be very disrespectful to Fedalovic.
 
Roddick85 said:
Not a fan of Boris, but he's got a valid point here. Outside the usual big 4 (and special appearences by Stan the man), the ATP looks extremely weak at the moment. Getting to the top is one thing, staying there is another. In order to stay motivated and keep improving, you need opposition, you need to fear your opponents.Otherwise, it's pretty easy to stop trying because you already dominate. Who's going to push you out of your top spot anyways? Injury prone Nishikori? Serve bot Raonic? Marty McFly aka Goffin? Old underachievers like Tsonga & Berdych? Nadal & Federer played a pivotal role in making Djokovic become the player he is today. If he wanted to compete with legends, he needed to work and improve to play like one. Let's not kid ourselves about Murray, he was always great, but Djokovic always had the edge when it mattered, it's only this year that Murray has been able to break away and really challenge Novak.
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Murray does not represent a new challenge. Perhaps he is mentally stronger because Lendl is in his corner but he is his same old self and his game is the same. It is the field that is getting shallower and Novak playing Uncharacteristically bad, as evident in the O2 final.
 
VC89 said:
Murray does not represent a new challenge. Perhaps he is mentally stronger because Lendl is in his corner but he is his same old self and his game is the same. It is the field that is getting shallower and Novak playing Uncharacteristically bad, as evident in the O2 final.
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It's true that Lendl does seem to make a difference. Novak's level certainly dipped in the last 6 months while Andy's rose. While I would agree that Andy is taking advantage of Novak's bad form, there's no guarantee that Djokovic will find his form next year. He'll try, but it probably won't be as easy as people think. Rafa has been looking for his form for over 2 years and is still nowhere near what he was. The same is true for Federer as well. No one's immune to aging.
 
Wow, Becker is turning into a nightmare coach. Just completely unnecessary comments. Very disrespectful. The season is over, Novak's past 6 months were pretty ****. I'd blame Becker and Novak before i'd even imply that Murray has something to do with it.
 
Also, didn't Djokovic lose to Vesely at the Monte Carlo Masters? A tournament which had both Federer and Nadal? lol. Or Madrid? Where he lost to Murray, didn't that tournament have both Fed and Nadal? Becker looking for any excuses, maybe should look at himself. When a guy hires some sort of guru and loses a bunch of weight, somethings gone wrong.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Wow, Becker is turning into a nightmare coach. Just completely unnecessary comments. Very disrespectful. The season is over, Novak's past 6 months were pretty ****. I'd blame Becker and Novak before i'd even imply that Murray has something to do with it.
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Another cheap excuse from the often distasteful Djokovic camp!
 
Chanwan said:
Agree except for the last bit, Andy challenged Novak plenty last time under Lendl prior to his back surgery. US 12, W 13, Olympics semi etc.
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Sure he did in some occasion, but looking at the overall H2H, I don't think anyone can dispute that Novak dominated Andy for a very long time.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
When a guy hires some sort of guru and loses a bunch of weight, somethings gone wrong.
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This whole guru thing, I'm with you on that one. When I read about it, I just couldn't help but to shake my head and wonder what the f*** is going on in his mind. The weight loss, though, I didn't really notice it? I mean Novak has looked frailed for a couple of years now, don't think he really lost more weight in the last few months?
 
Roddick85 said:
This whole guru thing, I'm with you on that one. When I read about it, I just couldn't help but to shake my head and wonder what the f*** is going on in his mind. The weight loss, though, I didn't really notice it? I mean Novak has looked frailed for a couple of years now, don't think he really lost more weight in the last few months?
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He is looking weak compared to earlier months of 2016. His shots are lacking that power too.
 
Checkmate said:
He is looking weak compared to earlier months of 2016. His shots are lacking that power too.
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Yeah I noticed his shots lacked power last Sunday but he's never been a powerful hitter either. Perhaps it's just me not noticing, but I think he's up to his normal weight, which has always been perhaps a bit too lean. He could probably use a few burgers and an extra 5lbs of muscles if you ask me!:D Problem is, I don't know what he's trying to achieve with that guru, but I'd be very surprised to see Novak gain any weight in the off season. Actually, I really wonder what the heck is going on with him. He definitely lost the edge this summer. Unless he can regroup and refocus, it wouldn't surprise me to see him considering retiring. Not wishing for that, but in his current state, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
 
Roddick85 said:
Yeah I noticed his shots lacked power last Sunday but he's never been a powerful hitter either. Perhaps it's just me not noticing, but I think he's up to his normal weight, which has always been perhaps a bit too lean. He could probably use a few burgers and an extra 5lbs of muscles if you ask me!:D Problem is, I don't know what he's trying to achieve with that guru, but I'd be very surprised to see Novak gain any weight in the off season. Actually, I really wonder what the heck is going on with him. He definitely lost the edge this summer. Unless he can regroup and refocus, it wouldn't surprise me to see him considering retiring. Not wishing for that, but in his current state, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
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He never had that 'bite' in his shots power wise. But he could hit much deeper even from uncomfortable positions in the first part of 2016.
That's something he is unable to do now.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Also, didn't Djokovic lose to Vesely at the Monte Carlo Masters? A tournament which had both Federer and Nadal? lol. Or Madrid? Where he lost to Murray, didn't that tournament have both Fed and Nadal? Becker looking for any excuses, maybe should look at himself. When a guy hires some sort of guru and loses a bunch of weight, somethings gone wrong.
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Djokovic beat Murray in the Madrid final, after the Muzzard beat Nadal in straights. The Muzzard then beat Djokovic in Rome. Federer did not play Madrid, but played Rome and was knocked off by Thiem.
 
cc0509 said:
You see, Becker is admitting there is no real competition for Novak and the field is weak without Fedal in prime form.

Over and above that, the excuses keep coming from Team Djokovic--injuries, personal problems, lack of motivation and now Djokovic wasn't interested enough because of no real competition. Gotta love it!
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'Djokovic isn't playing well because weak era. If this were stronk era with peak fedr and nadl, Djokovic will win 25 slams.'
 
mike danny said:
I understand where you're coming from, but just to give you a similar example:

Federer did what no man was able to do during 2004-2007. His dominance before or after during a stretch like that still hasn't been matched. And he still wanted to keep going, despite not playing at his best level every time afterwards, reaching final after final in slams.

Yes, he did not win 4 in a row like Djovak, but he still did something that has still remained unmatched and only he knows how it feels. His level did drop in ulterior years but I rarely felt he lacked motivation to this level that Djokovic is experimenting.

By the way, Djokovic winning 4 in a row is an amazing achievement but Laver's task was more difficult as he had to do it over the course of an entire season. Djokovic at least had the post WTF break to recharge his batteries. Laver did not have that kind of break.
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Dude, one thing you can't deny about Federer is that he was always making it to the back end of slams and giving it his all to win the trophy, decline or not. His motivation is the reason he's still playing today, on fumes.
 
joekapa said:
Oh man, how can you even compare those two eras ? Are you serious ? In Laver's day the AO wasn't even played by the best players in the world. It was more or less a tournament played by us Aussies. In today's terms it would be a 500 level tournament at most.


What Djokovic did with the 4 in a row was UNBELIEVABLE. Murray said that we will probably never see it again in our lifetime.

If it was easy to hold 4 in a row, it would have been done more frequently. But it isn't.
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Djokovic played competition you'd find in 500-level tournaments though.
 
cc0509 said:
You see, Becker is admitting there is no real competition for Novak and the field is weak without Fedal in prime form.

Over and above that, the excuses keep coming from Team Djokovic--injuries, personal problems, lack of motivation and now Djokovic wasn't interested enough because of no real competition. Gotta love it!
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The weak era getting to even Djokovic, it seems.
 
Roddick85 said:
It's true that Lendl does seem to make a difference. Novak's level certainly dipped in the last 6 months while Andy's rose. While I would agree that Andy is taking advantage of Novak's bad form, there's no guarantee that Djokovic will find his form next year. He'll try, but it probably won't be as easy as people think. Rafa has been looking for his form for over 2 years and is still nowhere near what he was. The same is true for Federer as well. No one's immune to aging.
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Becker"s comment is on the money. Novak will be back if Roger and Rafa returns healthy and competitive. On the flip side, the best way for both to keep Novak away from their records might be retirement.
 
VC89 said:
Becker"s comment is on the money. Novak will be back if Roger and Rafa returns healthy and competitive. On the flip side, the best way for both to keep Novak away from their records might be retirement.
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The big flaw with that reasoning is that Roger and Rafa haven't been competitive with Novak in anything truly important for several years now. Rafa hasn't even managed to win a set off Novak since 2014 RG! Didn't seem to stop Novak going on a tear through 2015 and the first half of 2016!
 
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