tennisaddict
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While you enjoy the h2h, we will bask in the glory of 17-6-302. To each their own.
Becker: "I Feel Pressured by Roger Federer for World No.1"
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While you enjoy the h2h, we will bask in the glory of 17-6-302. To each their own.
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Just thought I might say that Djokovic wasn't playing terrible in Shanghai (better at Wimbledon though) and that Federer's victory over him is legit. He could have also beaten Djokovic in Wimbledon.
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If Djokovic faced peak Nadal at Roland Garros year after year he wouldn't beat him. That's what hurts Djokovic fans the most, knowing that he could outdo Fed at anything.
Djokovic2011
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Just because Djokovic isn't so great at returning Federer's serve doesn't mean he isn't as good as I think. In all my years of watching tennis I'd say he's probably the best I've ever seen. Put the haterade away for at least one day.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Actually I'd say Djokovic 2011 would have beaten several versions of Nadal at RG. And I'm not sure what you mean in your last sentence.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
But he didn't because he wasn't good enough on the day so who cares?
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
LMAO, do you realise how pathetic that sounds? :grin:
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Exactly what I mean.
tennisaddict
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I wouldn't.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Youtube is your friend.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Not sure you know what I mean. FYI I've been watching tennis longer than you.
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You watching tennis for 2 whole years longer than me makes such a difference to this debate; which is opinionated. I will never understand how you think that Djokovic peaking for a year is better than Federer peaking for 3 or Nadal winning the French Open 9 times, 5 of which are in a row isn't up to his standard.
I have said Djokovic is better than 2 of my favorite players, Hewitt and Agassi; but you still insist on saying he is better than Federer and Nadal; when he should be compared to one of my favorites really..
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Except I've never said this so I've no idea what you're talking about. Here's a piece of advice for you Sabratha. Scream at the top of your voice "I hate Novak Djokovic" and perhaps smash a few old plates for good measure. You'll feel so much better for it afterwards.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Ending of 2010, it looked like Andy Murray was taking over from Fedal. Novak did the unthinkable and he showed how great a player he was. He and his fans should feel proud and happy about it rather than comparing with Fedal and feeling worse.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
So you're saying that I'm not allowed to praise Novak when I feel he should be?
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I don't hate Djokovic. You just love him.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Yes you do so please dispense with the pretence. And why do you think I love him? Just because I defend him? Well someone's gotta do it and I'm definitely the man for the job.
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So just because I don't rate him as highly as you, it means I hate him? Good grief.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
You're always nitpicking at anything he's achieved and I don't ever recall your saying a nice thing about him so yeah, I don't think I'm too far off the mark.
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I don't nitpick what he has achieved as long as it isn't drawn out of proportion. For example "the highest peak ever".
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Which is an opinion which is what this forum's all about. Don't let it get to you so much just because you don't agree with it. What difference does it make to you anyway if Nole has the greatest peak as long as Federer has the greater resume?
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Yet he couldn't beat Federer. :lol: Nadal would have made it 7-0.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
I don't think that would've happened at all in 2011. Throw out all the other years when they're not the ones being discussed.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
I'm talking about 2011. Djokovic beat Nadal on clay before the FO this year and last year, and the Miami beating this year was probably the worse he's ever given Nadal. It made no difference.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
His level in 2011 was higher than any other year. How many times do I have to say this? Makes no difference if Nadal beat him at RG a hundred times before that year and since. Why so defensive about it? No one's gonna take the trophy from that year away from him. And Nadal's been beaten at RG before anyway so stop acting like he's this unbeatable machine there.
R0ger Federer
Rookie
Does Becker really have to speak so much?
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Wow, you must be a great tennis player.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Judging by the competition on clay in recent years I'd probably give Nadal a tougher match than we've seen from many other players which is actually quite tragic.
Amelie Mauresmo
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His RG draw this year was an absolute gem in the early rounds.
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
Yes and no. Sampras was also totally slamless the year he took the #1 spot from the first time. And he took it from Courier who was holding two slams. And yet he didn't get a thousandth of the flak Wozniaki got, because he had won a (single) slam to and a half years before. Makes a world of difference, actually.
For getting to #1, winning slams is actually a huge *help* (2,000 points each, people). Getting them without winning slams is actually doing it the hard way (you need much better results overall). And as long as you don't have the "he/she never won a slam, so he/she's not fit to hold the #1 ever" stigma, then it's fair game. And let's be frank, Federer is about as far as you can be from that stigma.
That would be like Nadal not winning anything on clay and getting an award for best clay player, with trolls coming out of the woodwork to remind us that "oh, but only the YTD results count." That would be just as silly, imho.
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
Actually, had they played at RG that year, I think *Djokovic* would have made it 7-0, instead of having to wait until AO 2012 for his seventh straight victory over Nadal. At that time, he really had the belief, and that made all the difference.
Because, let's be honest, gamewise, Djokovic has everything he needs to beat Nadal just about everywhere. But for the last couple of years, he's been having mental issues again and losing matches he should have won because he lost the focus and hunger when he needed them the most (RG 2013, USO 2013, even RG 2014 is debatable to a point).
Djokovic has no business being behind in the H2H, he should be ahead by now. Needs more work on the mental side of things, though.
Gary Duane
Talk Tennis Guru
Sampras was slamless in 91 and 92. He wasn't #1 until 93, right?
Or did I screw up?
I agree with you there. I don't think Fed will make it to #1 this year, but if he does I think he will deserve it, as will Novak if he holds on to it.
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
No, you're right, but maybe I just wasn't clear enough. He got to #1 in 1993 *before* he won his first slam that year, so he wasn't holding any slam when he got to it. And yet, as far as I know, nobody ever said he was an "undeserving" #1 at that time.
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Because he won a slam that year anyway.
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
No. Because he had won one before. Obviously, in April, nobody knew he would go on to win Wimbledon and the US Open that year.
Gary Duane
Talk Tennis Guru
That's a pretty weak argument.
I thought you were comparing Sampras in 1993 to Fed in 2014...
helloworld
Hall of Fame
Sampras won slam in all of the years that he was world no.1. He won Wimbledon AND US Open in 1993, the first year he became world no.1.
Silverbullet96
Hall of Fame
I don't think Federer avoids World No. 1 because of something like that :roll:
objectivity
Banned
agreed. he should talk to roger, ask him for his magic formula for staying young and healthy forever. maybe with the right "nutrition", boris can come back to professional tennis.
donquijote
G.O.A.T.
Somebody should tell Boris that it is Novak at the top, not him and that he is only his coach. lol
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
^Haha, yes.^ Boris' people might know that but his ego will not listen.
I bet boris is looking to stay relevant and advertise that he takes a lot of ownership of his position as coach of the tour's top player.
I am not too concerned about his premature aging, but, i am sure we can chalk it up to beer und brats, some road years, MANY late nights, the stress of carrying the ego und aura of THE boris becker, and the trappings of brutal sun damage to a fair complexion. I am more comcerned about what a self-important blowhard he has become. He seriously makes mac look humble and hardworking.
I bet boris is looking to stay relevant and advertise that he takes a lot of ownership of his position as coach of the tour's top player.
I am not too concerned about his premature aging, but, i am sure we can chalk it up to beer und brats, some road years, MANY late nights, the stress of carrying the ego und aura of THE boris becker, and the trappings of brutal sun damage to a fair complexion. I am more comcerned about what a self-important blowhard he has become. He seriously makes mac look humble and hardworking.
smoledman
G.O.A.T.
I think Andy Murray should consider hiring JMac as coach. Teach him the Serve/Volley, Chip&Charge game that Edberg has given Roger.
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
Yes. Good fit. This could be so good. but would mac commit to that kind of stress and misery? Would andy listen and communicate in the way mac is accustomed?
They both have remarkable feel for the ball and are both deceptively quick. Also the same hair and similar heritage.
Blitzball
Professional
But then you're fueling fire with fire. Johnny Mac has cooled down over the years, but all Murray has to do is Youtube some of Mac's old matches to witness his infinite number of meltdowns. Then Murray will, naturally, end up copying his mentor on court, and get disqualified from the Australian Open.
Dedans Penthouse
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TMF said:
Great thread.
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