Becker on djokovic lol

SinneGOAT

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Hugely surprising? I think this article was written the first time the World at large saw Djokovic had a terrible smash at the 2013 French Open lol.
 

jm1980

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Dragan

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He's very wrong because there are statistically worse smashes in the the Top 20, let alone the Top 100
Of course... Boris just wanted to make a point for his students ("You have no idea how much we practiced smash. It's in his head!").
 

Fabresque

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I can think of quite a few players who have terrible overheads, maybe even worse than Djokovic. Wawrinka, Nishikori, Zverev, just to name a couple high profile ones.
 

Raul_SJ

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Fake News. Boris is exaggerrating. He may want to go work for CNN.
It may be weak but certainly not the weakest.
Djoker improved his serve which closely correlates with a good smash.
You do not get to be #1 with the weakest smash in the top 100.
 

big ted

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Fake News. Boris is exaggerrating. He may want to go work for CNN.
It may be weak but certainly not the weakest.
Djoker improved his serve which closely correlates with a good smash.
You do not get to be #1 with the weakest smash in the top 100.
i think he is exaggerating for a good story but idk.. even the worst overhead
in the top 100 isnt so bad.. and how many does he hit in a match .. maybe 3 at most?

i remember becker once said that yannick noah had the worst forehand in the top 50
so hes not new to these kinds of statements lol..
 

JackGates

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Fake News. Boris is exaggerrating. He may want to go work for CNN.
It may be weak but certainly not the weakest.
Djoker improved his serve which closely correlates with a good smash.
You do not get to be #1 with the weakest smash in the top 100.
Why not? Rafa had very weak serve and he was number 1.
 

Raul_SJ

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Why not? Rafa had very weak serve and he was number 1.
A weak serve does not necessarily translate to a weak overhead. Do not recall Rafa ever having a particularly weak overhead like Becker claims Djoker has (worst in Top 100)...

In any case, if it is true that you "are only as good as your second serve", Rafa now has one of the best serves in the business.

Second-serves, Rafael Nadal's biggest improvement in 2019!
Rafa’s left-handed serves which won 59.6 per cent of his second-serve games, topping him at the table of second-serve points, had doubtlessly laid off the groundworks of a majority of his successes​
 

JackGates

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A weak serve does not necessarily translate to a weak overhead. Do not recall Rafa ever having a particularly weak overhead...

In any case, if you are only as good as your second serve, Rafa now has one of the serves in the business.

Second-serves, Rafael Nadal's biggest improvement in 2019!
Rafa’s left-handed serves which won 59.6 per cent of his second-serve games, topping him at the table of second-serve points, had doubtlessly laid off the groundworks of a majority of his successes​
Someone said that you can't be nr.1 with a weak overhad, but clearly you can still be nr.1 with a weak shot, especially if it's overhead that is almost never needed to win.

So, if even Rafa with a weak serve that is way more important can be nr.1, surely with a weak overhad that is less important you can also be nr.1.

Main point, just because Nole is nr.1, doesn't mean his overhad isn't bad.
 

Raul_SJ

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He's very wrong because there are statistically worse smashes in the the Top 20, let alone the Top 100
Is this overhead stat tracked?

We are incredulous that the #1 player would have the weakest overhead in the Top 100.

Someone said that you can't be nr.1 with a weak overhad, but clearly you can still be nr.1 with a weak shot, especially if it's overhead that is almost never needed to win.
A great return can make up for a relatively "weak" serve as in the case of #1 players Connors, Agassi, Djoker, etc.

But for a #1 to have the weakest overhead in the Top 100 is stretching it... Perhaps worst overhead in Top 20 or so.

IIRC, even Connors had a solid overhead despite a relatively "weak" serve.
 
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JackGates

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Is this overhead stat tracked?

We are incredulous that the #1 player would have the weakest overhead in the Top 100.



A great return can make up for a relatively "weak" serve as in the case of #1 players Connors, Agassi, Djoker, etc.

But for a #1 to have the weakest overhead in the Top 100 is stretching it... Perhaps worst overhead in Top 20 or so.

IIRC, even Connors had a solid overhead despite a relatively "weak" serve.
I guess probably yeah top 100 would be stretching it.
 

Mainad

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Boris just can't stop giving away Novak's most guarded secrets. No wonder he got sacked! ;)
 
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SonnyT

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Almost all ATG's have great smashes, you name it: Laver Connors Mac Sampras Federer Nadal. Djokovic has the weakest of any ATG I can think of. Do you know who had the 2nd weakest? Borg, the guy had a very dissimilar baseline game to Djokovic, but was similar to Djokovic in 2 ways. Both look awkward at the net, and are terrible at smashes. I'm starting to wonder if the two are correlated: I mean the 6 ATG's I named above all had terrific net game!

I always equate tennis smash and air game in soccer. In soccer, which Djokovic loves and loves to play, he would be terrific on the ground, and terrible in the air.
 

blablavla

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Almost all ATG's have great smashes, you name it: Laver Connors Mac Sampras Federer Nadal. Djokovic has the weakest of any ATG I can think of. Do you know who had the 2nd weakest? Borg, the guy had a very dissimilar baseline game to Djokovic, but was similar to Djokovic in 2 ways. Both look awkward at the net, and are terrible at smashes. I'm starting to wonder if the two are correlated: I mean the 6 ATG's I named above all had terrific net game!

I always equate tennis smash and air game in soccer. In soccer, which Djokovic loves and loves to play, he would be terrific on the ground, and terrible in the air.
not sure that a player who won several Wimbledon tropheys by S&V looks awkward at the net and has such a weak overhead.
it might be "weak" in comparison to Sampras, Federer, Nadal, but hey let's keep in mind the difference in frames. It's one thing to hit the overhead with 90-100 sq. inches head size, composite material and another thing is to hit it with Borg's frame.
let me guess that the sweet spot on Sampras frame was huuuge if you would compare it to the sweet spot on Borg frame.

do you have data to back up your claim that Borg had one of the weakest overheads?
or is this from the Federer played Pioline in a GS final?
 

Moose Malloy

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not sure that a player who won several Wimbledon tropheys by S&V looks awkward at the net and has such a weak overhead.
it might be "weak" in comparison to Sampras, Federer, Nadal, but hey let's keep in mind the difference in frames. It's one thing to hit the overhead with 90-100 sq. inches head size, composite material and another thing is to hit it with Borg's frame.
let me guess that the sweet spot on Sampras frame was huuuge if you would compare it to the sweet spot on Borg frame.

do you have data to back up your claim that Borg had one of the weakest overheads?
or is this from the Federer played Pioline in a GS final?

Borg had a great overhead, never heard any commentator or any other player say otherwise. Pretty much every great player of past eras had a great overhead. They were generally considered among the most easy shots in the game (for the most part, sure they missed one once in a while) so no one made a big deal about anyone having a great overhead. They only made a big deal about those who had great bh overheads.

So this is why so many talk about Novak's overhead, its sort of bizarre that a great male player has such difficulty with this shot. Maybe he should just hit swinging forehands instead, like many of the women do.
 

blablavla

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Borg had a great overhead, never heard any commentator or any other player say otherwise. Pretty much every great player of past eras had a great overhead. They were generally considered among the most easy shots in the game (for the most part, sure they missed one once in a while) so no one made a big deal about anyone having a great overhead. They only made a big deal about those who had great bh overheads.

So this is why so many talk about Novak's overhead, its sort of bizarre that a great male player has such difficulty with this shot. Maybe he should just hit swinging forehands instead, like many of the women do.
please be so kind to explain this to @SonnyT who claims that Borg had a weak overhead, looked awkward at the net and has seen a Federer vs Pioline GS final.
 

SonnyT

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not sure that a player who won several Wimbledon tropheys by S&V looks awkward at the net and has such a weak overhead.
Laughable that Borg won WImbledon by S&V. People marveled that he could win so many from BL, because practically no one had done it that way in decades.

My memories are that Borg had a terrible overhead! If I've lots of free time, I'll try to confirm it on youtubes!

Agassi also won Wimbledon, in the age of Sampras. When Borg won Wimbledon those years, dominant S&V players were absent; McEnroe, Becker and Edberg came afterwards. Mac needed 2 chances at the finals to beat Borg. But once it happened, Borg knew a new Wimbledon sheriff show up, and retired!
 
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blablavla

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Laughable that Borg won WImbledon by S&V. People marveled that he could win so many from BL, because practically no one had done it that way in decades.

My memories are that Borg had a terrible overhead! If I've lots of free time, I'll try to confirm it on youtubes!

Agassi also won Wimbledon, in the age of Sampras. When Borg won Wimbledon those years, dominant S&V players were absent; McEnroe, Becker and Edberg came afterwards. Mac needed 2 chances at the finals to beat Borg. But once it happened, Borg knew a new Wimbledon sheriff show up, and retired!
please, be so kind and confirm with video or ideally statistics that Borg had a crappy overhead
 

SonnyT

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You can show it just as well!

We all know Djokovic has a terrible overhead and has an awkward net game, but what statistics would show them?
 

blablavla

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You can show it just as well!

We all know Djokovic has a terrible overhead and has an awkward net game, but what statistics would show them?
nice try to change the subject.
you came out with the statement that Borg has 2nd weakest overhead and looks awkward at the net.

so please back it up with evidence.
 
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