Beijing 2017 - General Discussion Thread

Who will lift the Phoenix trophy?

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Charleneriva

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CHINA OPEN 2017

Date: 2 October – 8 October
Edition: 19th
Category: ATP World Tour 500
Prize money: $2,916,550
Surface: Hard
Location: Beijing, China
Venue: National Tennis Center
2016 Champion:
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Update: Tsonga had just withdrawn so Kyrgios will be seeded. Sorry the entrant list wasn't available anywhere - I didn't know he was going to play so no poll option for him.
 
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every7 said:
Is the draw out?

Please don't let it be a Nadal v Berdych final :mad:

Will Treesner carry over his Laver Cup form? :eek:
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Nah. Friday as usual I guess.

There're some quite interesting matchups for the final. Rafa, Zverev, DP, Dimitrov are all playing well (despite the dismal USO results of the 2 "youngies" :oops:). Any 2 of them playing the final is fine with me.

Treesner won't have JohnMac and a team behind him. If he has the good luck of meeting Zverev he will get more rest for Shanghai :p. Berdych will be eliminated in the QF/SF for some good drama. :D
 
Tsonga had just withdrawn so Kyrgios will be seeded. Sorry the entrant list wasn't available anywhere ; I didn't know he was going to play so no poll option for him
 
merwy said:
Where does Oldal get his stamina from? In his younger days he was injured all the time and now at 30+ he can suddenly play a full season?
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  • Biggest goal: to stay healthy (and be happy) >>different mindset
  • Improved diet (used to be pretty bad for a top athlete)
  • More focused and effective training regime
  • More gym; more muscle mass
  • Improved game; better balance between defence and offence
  • "Doesn't do anything crazy"; doesn't chase every single/crazy ball any more
  • Being less stubborn (by his own admision)
  • Better scheduling (will be better next year from what Moya said, this year he's still overplaying)
  • Moya. He especially determines to keep Rafa from getting injured. Toni, let's say, is more "philosophical".
  • Toni/Toni's last year?
  • Winning; more confidence
  • Etc.
Everything, little or not so little, adds up.

But anything can happen. Don't think he should play all Beijing, Shanghai, Basel and Paris before WTF.
 
merwy said:
Where does Oldal get his stamina from? In his younger days he was injured all the time and now at 30+ he can suddenly play a full season?
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Not sure about Stamina part.
But he had been injured, on and off, for the most part of 2014-2016. Sign of aging.

Wait, the strongest demonstration of a "stamina" on ATP so far, has been the Stan Wawarinka the "Diesel" showed after 30.
 
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Charleneriva said:
  • Biggest goal: to stay healthy (and be happy) >>different mindset
  • Improved diet (used to be pretty bad for a top athlete)
  • More focused and effective training regime
  • More gym; more muscle mass
  • Improved game; better balance between defence and offence
  • "Doesn't do anything crazy"; doesn't chase every single/crazy ball any more
  • Being less stubborn (by his own admision)
  • Better scheduling (will be better next year from what Moya said, this year he's still overplaying)
  • Moya. He especially determines to keep Rafa from getting injured. Toni, let's say, is more "philosophical".
  • Toni/Toni's last year?
  • Winning; more confidence
  • Etc.
Everything, little or not so little, adds up.

But anything can happen. Don't think he should play all Beijing, Shanghai, Basel and Paris before WTF.
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- Rafa's goal has always been being happy.
- I repeat what I replied somewhere else some time ago: Rafa has worked hard in the gym for years. He has worked with his physical trainer (Joan Forcades) since 2001 and has had well equipped home gym. As for Rafa's body, C.Moya said in his interview with Marca (published on Friday) that Rafa has lost weight.
 
octobrina10 said:
- Rafa's goal has always been being happy.
- I repeat what I replied somewhere else some time ago: Rafa has worked hard in the gym for years. He has worked with his physical trainer (Joan Forcades) since 2001 and has had well equipped home gym. As for Rafa's body, C.Moya said in his interview with Marca (published on Friday) that Rafa has lost weight.
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Haha, as expected. Hello, Nadal News 2.0's Police. This is not Nadal News 2.0; and as usual you don't even get others' point before trying to pull them over. Consider me a permanent outlaw then. ;)

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Dayum, Nadal vs Pouille first round. Potential Delpo vs Dimitrov 2nd round. Pretty tough draw on paper, be fun to see how it pans out.

Could get something like this.

R1: Pouille
R2: Khachanov
QF: Isner
SF: Delpo/Dimitrov
Final: Zverev/Kyrgios
 
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The Green Mile said:
Dayum, Nadal vs Pouille first round. Potential Delpo vs Dimitrov 2nd round. Pretty tough draw on paper, be fun to see how it pans out.

Could get something like this.

R1: Pouille
R2: Khachanov
QF: Isner
SF: Delpo/Dimitrov
Final: Zverev/Kyrgios
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Zed and Kyrgios are in the bottom half with pretty cushy draws so they meet in potential SF. Kyrgios's section is quite weak.

Top half is absolutely loaded and Nadal is getting some kind of payback for his light US Open draw:
1. Pouille in first round may start flashbacks to the 2016 US Open loss (great match on paper)
2. Isner who just beat him at Laver Cup
3. Auz Open SF round 2 with Dimitrov

As bad as Nadal's draw is @ArcspacE and @jwjh won't be too thrilled with Greegor's draw:
1. Red hot Dzum loves these fast courts makes for a brutal first round opponent
2. Delpo 2nd round, can't get much worse
3. RBA beat Nole at Shanghai last year and will no doubt find a groove for the QF
4. Nadal SF for Baby Fed:confused:

Frankly I like the Tokyo draw/field much, much better. Beijing has some big names and seeds are good, but other than Dzum and Delpo the rest of the field is pretty wretched.:oops:
 
Meles said:
Zed and Kyrgios are in the bottom half with pretty cushy draws so they meet in potential SF. Kyrgios's section is quite weak.

Top half is absolutely loaded and Nadal is getting some kind of payback for his light US Open draw:
1. Pouille in first round may start flashbacks to the 2016 US Open loss (great match on paper)
2. Isner who just beat him at Laver Cup
3. Auz Open SF round 2 with Dimitrov

As bad as Nadal's draw is @ArcspacE and @jwjh won't be too thrilled with Greegor's draw:
1. Red hot Dzum loves these fast courts makes for a brutal first round opponent
2. Delpo 2nd round, can't get much worse
3. RBA beat Nole at Shanghai last year and will no doubt find a groove for the QF
4. Nadal SF for Baby Fed:confused:

Frankly I like the Tokyo draw/field much, much better. Beijing has some big names and seeds are good, but other than Dzum and Delpo the rest of the field is pretty wretched.:oops:
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Dimitrov vs Dzumhur match is one to watch, though I think Dzumhur will come back down to Earth, momentum halted from all these matches he's played in recent weeks. Delpo owns Dimitrov in the H2H IIRC, Arcspace has seen all of their matches, from what I can remember he told me Delpo really raised his level in their matches. Serve/forehand combo firing.
 
Quite many potentially juicy matchups. Of course I wouldn't mind if Rafa can conquer this tough draw (if it plays to seed, bar DP) - he needs it, sooner but will be very happy for DP if he wins it. Wouldn't mind a young champion either.

Zverev vs Kyrgios ep 4? Count me in. ;)
 
Mind Doctor said:
DP wasn't too inspired when he played Nadal. Nadal smacked the inspiration out of him by the 2nd set.
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Doesn't change that he was playing inspiringly from R1 - 1st set in the semis, beating the huge/biggest (albeit not 100%) favourite along the way. Of course when someone is even more inspired than you with the game to back it up, you're gonna get "uninspired" sooner or later.
 
Charleneriva said:
  • Biggest goal: to stay healthy (and be happy) >>different mindset
  • Improved diet (used to be pretty bad for a top athlete)
  • More focused and effective training regime
  • More gym; more muscle mass
  • Improved game; better balance between defence and offence
  • "Doesn't do anything crazy"; doesn't chase every single/crazy ball any more
  • Being less stubborn (by his own admision)
  • Better scheduling (will be better next year from what Moya said, this year he's still overplaying)
  • Moya. He especially determines to keep Rafa from getting injured. Toni, let's say, is more "philosophical".
  • Toni/Toni's last year?
  • Winning; more confidence
  • Etc.
Everything, little or not so little, adds up.

But anything can happen. Don't think he should play all Beijing, Shanghai, Basel and Paris before WTF.
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+ PED programs are getting morr sophisticated every year
 
The Green Mile said:
Dimitrov vs Dzumhur match is one to watch, though I think Dzumhur will come back down to Earth, momentum halted from all these matches he's played in recent weeks. Delpo owns Dimitrov in the H2H IIRC, Arcspace has seen all of their matches, from what I can remember he told me Delpo really raised his level in their matches. Serve/forehand combo firing.
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But last scrap in Rome was crazy close and then Dimi won Real Slam.:p
32/2017 R16 Cincinnati Masters Hard Grigor Dimitrov Juan Martin Del Potro 6-3 7-5 2.05 - 1.77
19/2017 R64 Rome Masters Clay Juan Martin Del Potro Grigor Dimitrov 3-6 6-2 6-3 1.83 - 1.95
 
Charleneriva said:
Yet somehow the most sophisticated ones are in Mallorquí only? ;)
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I never said that. I actually have mentioned multiple times that I think it's likely that the majority of tennis players are doping. That is because the reward for catching dopers is almost infinitely smaller than the reward for doping
 
Red Rick said:
I never said that. I actually have mentioned multiple times that I think it's likely that the majority of tennis players are doping. That is because the reward for catching dopers is almost infinitely smaller than the reward for doping
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Yeah you're right. Roger will win Tokyo 2020 and Rafa Paris 2024. Why not? :oops:

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Zverv will be looking to give Nadal a dose of his own medicine if they meet in the final! It should be interesting.
 
The Green Mile said:
Dayum, Nadal vs Pouille first round. Potential Delpo vs Dimitrov 2nd round. Pretty tough draw on paper, be fun to see how it pans out.

Could get something like this.

R1: Pouille
R2: Khachanov
QF: Isner
SF: Delpo/Dimitrov
Final: Zverev/Kyrgios
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Very tough indoor draw for Rafa.
I think delpo is pretty even in h2h with Federer indoor.
 
I am hoping the Asian swing gets me a bit more interested in pro tennis again. This summer failed to move me much.
 
The only real threat for Rafa to get to the final is Isner. Other than that, yes some hard matches amd maybe some battles, but nothing really too serious.
 
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