Ben Shelton: Real thing or all hype?

Taking my own stab at this: Almost everything in Shelton's game is still projectable for further improvement (serve placement, groundstroke rally tolerance, volley consistency among others). He probably wasn't top 20 quality when his ranking first landed there on his slam runs, but he's 19-10 (65%) this year on the tour and that is about right for a top 20 player.

His return game is bad and that's quite concerning because that doesn't often improve significantly with time, but there is a silver lining in that he's one of the best in the game at not getting aced despite not having as egregious a deep return position as some of the other people atop that list (Medvedev). He also misses a lot more second serve returns than most players. So maybe he's got some athletic tools that can be refined as we play against years of professional level servers and their speeds/spins.

A decent progression path leads to Taylor Fritz/John Isner, where we hang around the back of the top 10 or just outside for a while and maybe sneak a Masters or two. That takes a 65-70% winrate.

A good progression path is probably the Raonic/Tsonga mentioned above, or for a clay-loving but still big serving profile Tsitsipas (Top 5 at times, a sizable collection of slam quarters and better), which takes probably 70-75% winrates.

An amazing progression probably doesn't get us any better than Andy Roddick because of some key limitations. But even being about as good as Andy Roddick (~75% career, 80% peak season WR) would be an enormous deal for American tennis. It's a long, long way off though, and relies a lot on our serve going nuclear and taking our current ~86% game hold ratio up to more like 93% and becoming the best server of his generation and one of the best of all time.
 
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Except Hubi is a soft spoken, mild mannered guy while playing matches. Shelton is not. He's still young and can improve, but that hang up gesture was cringe. Hopefully he learned from that. Ben's fine off court.

On an unrelated note, I'm surprised On allowed him to wear a Yanks cap in a presser. Never seen this before.

 
I'm surprised to say this but I like this kid.

I'm hopeful that he stays healthy, keeps improving and is able to have a great career.
 
There is a lot of hype I admit. He did get to the USO final last year. So, he has the potential to win a slam. He’s young so he will only get better. But, the verdict is still out on him. Top 5 is a possibility.

Daniil Shelton played very impressive in last years USO.
 
Raonic had the heater too, look where it got him. Most pros have next level hand eye coordination. The top 3 never had a problem with that serve. Unless he wins something in the next couple years maybe will have a Tsonga type career. I feel he is a bit heavy for tennis.
i think shelton's movement/defense is significantly better than raonic, and that counts for a lot. better all-court game as well.
 
Pretty sure Ben is injured. He was massaging his left arm yesterday and today. The rate he's getting broken by FAA is not normal.
 
Everything you need to know about Shelton was summed up in the first 6 games against Djokovic at the USO.
Big first serve but suspect second serve, big hitter but inconsistent, poor judgement on groundstrokes, and inconsistent return game.
It took Djoker about 3 games to catch the rhythm and start making Shelton play out the points, which is Shelton's weakness. The rest was a straight set romp.

Shelton will soundly defeat guys who can't get a read on his first serve but those who can and have solid FH, BH and agility usually handle him. I'd take Tommy Paul over him in general.
He is more similar to Berretini and Shapo than anyone else right now, especially shot selection and overall explosiveness.
He is certainly entertaining/fun to watch. He's good for the American tournaments because he'll bring out more Americans.
He MIGHT sneak a Wimbledon one day if he strengthens his returns, and shot selection/consistency. But Sinner, Med and Alcaraz are much stronger overall and on grass specifically.
To me he's already past Raonic, Roddick, Tsonga, largely because he moves better. That's why I use the Shapo comp. Shelton just has a bigger serve, otherwise their games and mentalities are quite similar.
 
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Everything you need to know about Shelton was summed up in the first 6 games against Djokovic at the USO.
Big first serve but suspect second serve, big hitter but inconsistent, poor judgement on groundstrokes, and inconsistent return game.
It took Djoker about 3 games to catch the rhythm and start making Shelton play out the points, which is Shelton's weakness. The rest was a straight set romp.

Shelton will soundly defeat guys who can't get a read on his first serve but those who can and have solid FH, BH and agility usually handle him. I'd take Tommy Paul over him in general.
He is more similar to Berretini and Shapo than anyone else right now, especially shot selection and overall explosiveness.
He is certainly entertaining/fun to watch. He's good for the American tournaments because he'll bring out more Americans.
He MIGHT sneak a Wimbledon one day if he strengthens his returns, and shot selection/consistency. But Sinner, Med and Alcaraz are much stronger overall and on grass specifically.
To me he's already past Raonic, Roddick, Tsonga, largely because he moves better. That's why I use the Shapo comp. Shelton just has a bigger serve, otherwise their games and mentalities are quite similar.
agree w much of this, exception being shot selection/rally ball tolerance. i've seen shelton's improve quite a bit. shapo, absolutely...2-3 balls and he's blasting to the open court...he almost doesn't even have a 'rally ball', sends everything back harder than it came in...whereas i have seen shelton do the percentage thing with some regularity, and play some good d on top of it.

imo, and i said it once before...besides the return, his biggest area of improvement is actually the serve. if he can become something of a spot server, he won't even need those 140 deliveries and it would put him in a different class of threat altogether. goran for example was typically low 120s to low 130s but with his angles (which shelton can do) it was more than enough to rain down aces like no tomorrow.

i think shelton (tsitsipas has similar issue) needs to get the toss a little more to side. it would take a lot of strain off the shoulder and makes for a smoother delivery...my amateur opinion at least.
 
Ben the mug got straight setted by Felix the mug who himself got straight setted by Alcaraz.

Pathetic ... These fellows are so useless
 
I feel like his whole game — even his serve — is too muscly. He muscles every shot. It’s not smooth. I can’t see him breaking through to a slam with his mechanics.
 
i think shelton's movement/defense is significantly better than raonic, and that counts for a lot. better all-court game as well.
I was only referring to the heater serve nothing else. Raonic's problem was his body. He had worked on his backhand quite a bit to get it up to a decent stroke. Ben can become a GS champion if he starts playing seriously instead of American football type tennis. Just because you come up swinging does not mean you will win in tennis. The most recent Osaka loss should convey that fact easily.
 
Shelton is good.. maybe better than fritz and tiafoe. Not sure he can make as many major finals as roddick but he has that same exhuberance and lack of fear.

Are you kidding?

Roddick was terrified every time he seen Fed across the court ...
 
Everything you need to know about Shelton was summed up in the first 6 games against Djokovic at the USO.
Big first serve but suspect second serve, big hitter but inconsistent, poor judgement on groundstrokes, and inconsistent return game.
It took Djoker about 3 games to catch the rhythm and start making Shelton play out the points, which is Shelton's weakness. The rest was a straight set romp.

Shelton will soundly defeat guys who can't get a read on his first serve but those who can and have solid FH, BH and agility usually handle him. I'd take Tommy Paul over him in general.
He is more similar to Berretini and Shapo than anyone else right now, especially shot selection and overall explosiveness.
He is certainly entertaining/fun to watch. He's good for the American tournaments because he'll bring out more Americans.
He MIGHT sneak a Wimbledon one day if he strengthens his returns, and shot selection/consistency. But Sinner, Med and Alcaraz are much stronger overall and on grass specifically.
To me he's already past Raonic, Roddick, Tsonga, largely because he moves better. That's why I use the Shapo comp. Shelton just has a bigger serve, otherwise their games and mentalities are quite similar.
A huge mistake a lot of us do is make a projection based on "one" accomplishment they made at an early age.
Ben had a lucky draw and one deep run is not a trend. (Ostapenko, Radacanu Fernandez, Tiafoe, Paul)
I agree with your assessment about his ground game and serve and would add that his volleys are not very good in singles against top 20 players. He reminds me of Shapo.

For him to pass Tsonga's career who did play in a very strong era.
Ben will have to do better than Jo Wilfried's
winning (2) Masters 1000
- 2 Wimb Semis,
- 2 FO semis
- 3 USO qfs
- 1 AO final against Djokovic GOAT

I give Ben a checkmark only at the USO so far. I think he'll be another Fritz and get a M1000 or luck out somehow with a Wimbledon. I just don't see him beating any of the top 5 and that excludes Djokovic.
 
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