KantenKlaar
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There is not a single newcomer on tour who is more talked about, or who is more impactful at the biggest events other than Ben Shelton," Gill Gross said.
Ben Shelton
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I like him; like Alcaraz he's bringing new energy and joyful game style. Entertaining stuff from him. Expect a good run for him in the AO. Let's see.
Also I like his father's character. Always trying to cheer him up when things are not going well for him. So much different from Tsitsipas's and Rune's parents whose attitude on the bad times are of true disappointment... like you can tell their thoughts are "I should have aborted this disgrace of a son".
Also I like his father's character. Always trying to cheer him up when things are not going well for him. So much different from Tsitsipas's and Rune's parents whose attitude on the bad times are of true disappointment... like you can tell their thoughts are "I should have aborted this disgrace of a son".
KantenKlaar
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‘I had a dream last night that Shelton won a slam…. Is 2024 the year? Come to think of it, game is huge, serve is a rocket…. Reminds me of….‘ Nick Kyrgios tweeted.
KantenKlaar
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Gill Gross is a broadcaster for Tennis Channel, US Open Radio, Cracked Racquets and UC
sovertennis
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Dude, if you're on this board you're online already so just google it.
Shaolin
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You missed the point but thats okay.
tennis_pro
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The new Greg Rusedski if that.
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future legend of the game
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gill gross is yt guy, analyst of this wondefrul game called tennis
KantenKlaar
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BEN SHELTON CAREER VS. TOP 15 PLAYERS:
~ d. No. 5 Ruud in 2022 Cincinnati 2nd Rd, 6-3, 6-3
~ l. to No.11 Norrie in 2022 Cincinnati 3rd Rd, 6-0, 6-2
~ l. to No. 10 Rune in 2023 Acapulco 1st Rd, 6-7 (7), 6-4, 6-2
~ l. to No. 5 Fritz in 2023 Indian Wells 2nd Rd, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3
~ l. to No. 3 Ruud in 2023 Barcelona 2nd Rd, 6-2, 7-6 (1)
~ l. to No. 1 Alcaraz in 2023 Canada 2nd Rd, 6-3, 7-6 (3)
~ l. to No. 4 Tsitsipas in 2023 Cincinnati 2nd Rd, 7-6 (3), 7-6 (2)
~ d. No. 14 Paul in 2023 US Open 4th Rd, 6-4, 6-3, 4-6, 6-4
~ d. No. 10 Tiafoe in 2023 US Open QFs, 6-2, 3-6, 7-6 (7), 6-2
~ l. to No. 2 Djokovic in 2023 US Open SFs, 6-3, 6-2, 7-6 (4)
~ d. No. 4 Sinner in 2023 Shanghai 3rd Rd, 2-6, 6-3, 7-6 (5)
~ d. No. 12 Paul in 2023 Tokyo QFs, 7-6 (4), 6-3
~ d. No. 5 Ruud in 2022 Cincinnati 2nd Rd, 6-3, 6-3
~ l. to No.11 Norrie in 2022 Cincinnati 3rd Rd, 6-0, 6-2
~ l. to No. 10 Rune in 2023 Acapulco 1st Rd, 6-7 (7), 6-4, 6-2
~ l. to No. 5 Fritz in 2023 Indian Wells 2nd Rd, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3
~ l. to No. 3 Ruud in 2023 Barcelona 2nd Rd, 6-2, 7-6 (1)
~ l. to No. 1 Alcaraz in 2023 Canada 2nd Rd, 6-3, 7-6 (3)
~ l. to No. 4 Tsitsipas in 2023 Cincinnati 2nd Rd, 7-6 (3), 7-6 (2)
~ d. No. 14 Paul in 2023 US Open 4th Rd, 6-4, 6-3, 4-6, 6-4
~ d. No. 10 Tiafoe in 2023 US Open QFs, 6-2, 3-6, 7-6 (7), 6-2
~ l. to No. 2 Djokovic in 2023 US Open SFs, 6-3, 6-2, 7-6 (4)
~ d. No. 4 Sinner in 2023 Shanghai 3rd Rd, 2-6, 6-3, 7-6 (5)
~ d. No. 12 Paul in 2023 Tokyo QFs, 7-6 (4), 6-3
InsuranceMan
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There is not a single analyst on tour, who is less talked about, or who is less impactful, than Gil Gross
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tennisfan17
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I think Shelton has a solid change at being a top ten player! He reminds me in a lot of ways of shapo. Big lefty games, super athletic, and a extremely explosive in what they do. I do think Shelton has a little bit better awareness on the court (though this could change lol) so I would say he has a slightly higher upside. He's really fun to watch
KantenKlaar
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The tennis world is starved for new real talent, especially outside Europe. Think back on how John M had to scrape a team together for the Laver Cup. So yezzz, I get very excited when the likes of Shelton appears on the horizon. We can only hope.
nolefam_2024
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I honestly haven't seen much of his matches. He is annoying.
KantenKlaar
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A bit of projection, me would suggest. If you would but look past the annoying bits, you would behold the signs of greatness.
KantenKlaar
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At least he is handling the device...
atatu
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Definitely making some progress over a very short period of time, that is encouraging.
Is there an issue with this claim, assuming that Alcaraz and Rune are no longer newcomers?
Alcaraz finished 2021 #32 and was #1 in 2022. At the end of 2023, he's no longer really a newcomer.
Rune initially got wide visibility in his 2021 U.S. Open match with Djokovic, made the top 100 in January 2022, and won his first title in April 2022. He finished 2022 at #11 and quickly entered the top 10 in 2023. Again, I would say that at the end of 2023, he's no longer a newcomer.
Shelton didn't really start playing on the pro tour until the summer of 2022, snuck into the top 100 at the end of last year, and now has won his first title, made a Major QF and a SF, and reached #17 in the world. He still qualifies as a newcomer and is more impactful and understandably gets talked about more than other newcomers
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yonexRx32
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So what does it matter what she thinks?
RaulRamirez
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He did shoot up to the Top 20 quickly, and I wouldn't be too surprised if he ended 2024 in the Top 10.
America has some good male players among Fritz, Paul, Shelton, Tiafoe and Korda, but any future slam (singles) champions?
Long drought to this point, and Shelton could be the one to break it.
America has some good male players among Fritz, Paul, Shelton, Tiafoe and Korda, but any future slam (singles) champions?
Long drought to this point, and Shelton could be the one to break it.
KantenKlaar
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What makes Shelton interesting is that he came to where he is by a different route. He is older as newcomer compared to when Alcaraz et al appeared on the scene.
nolefam_2024
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Korda was hyped beyond anything at the start of this year. The hype has died down. Injury is one factor but no.
Tiafoe hype died as quickly as it came. He was thinking he should be one of the favorites for Wimbledon this year. Dimitrov showed how far he really is from that level. Then USO he was trounced by Shelton.
Paul is solid player but I don't think he is winning any slam.
And Taylor Fritz. This guy had hype maybe in 2017/2018 when he was just coming from juniors. He was called next Sampras. But he is typical ballbasher. No substance.
Tiafoe hype died as quickly as it came. He was thinking he should be one of the favorites for Wimbledon this year. Dimitrov showed how far he really is from that level. Then USO he was trounced by Shelton.
Paul is solid player but I don't think he is winning any slam.
And Taylor Fritz. This guy had hype maybe in 2017/2018 when he was just coming from juniors. He was called next Sampras. But he is typical ballbasher. No substance.
Clay lover
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He has some big shots but the consistency is just not there. That's why guys likes Medvedev and Ruud have better results
KantenKlaar
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it matters. We all have the right to have an opinion, even if it makes other people yawn.
Shaolin
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Harsh
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Apart from Alcaraz and in some cases Rune, none of these guys make me watch tennis anymore. Post 2017 batch I mean. Shelton might based on some highlights. But I haven't watched him a lot.
MichaelNadal
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Mid-gen.
MichaelNadal
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Exactly. Who cares about these scrubs
KantenKlaar
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Do you think his father is the right coach to elevate his game to ATG level?
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Sinner doesn't as well.Exactly. Who cares about these scrubs
atatu
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I guess it depends on what your expectations are. Fritz and Tiafoe were both ranked in the top 10 which is something thousands and thousands of players fail to ever achieve. If Shelton can reach the top 10 that's pretty good in my book. Not sure if he's ever going to win a slam with Sinner and Alcaraz in his path moving forward, post Novak era, but he is at least a possibility.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Yes but it has been proven based on win loss statistics that a top 10 is closer to top 100 than number 1 now.
atatu
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Pretty sure he's on Sinners radar after beating him.
tennis_pro
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For Greg
KantenKlaar
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Does Sinner have rhe same flair and presence on court to match his game? This is what Shelton and Alcaraz brings to the party.
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Shaolin
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BeatlesFan
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Someone needs to tell Gross that Ben's best results at the FO and Wimbledon are first round and second round losses. But he's so "impactful" at majors.
Gil's tennis acumen is summed up when he still pronounces Rune's name as "Roon."
RaulRamirez
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Agreed that he should know how to pronounce Rune and certainly the name of any Top 10 player!Someone needs to tell Gross that Ben's best results at the FO and Wimbledon are first round and second round losses. But he's so "impactful" at majors.
Gil's tennis acumen is summed up when he still pronounces Rune's name as "Roon."
In fairness to Shelton, though, he's only played those two slams once apiece.
RG would seem to be tougher for him to gain any traction on, and his 4-set loss to Sonego wasn't that bad, as Sonego made it to the R of 16.
I also think he's athletic enough to start getting good results at Wimby...soon.
We'll see, but some good players on both tours struggled for years on the natural surfaces. At least give him more than a year.
KantenKlaar
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Silly billySomeone needs to tell Gross that Ben's best results at the FO and Wimbledon are first round and second round losses. But he's so "impactful" at majors.
Gil's tennis acumen is summed up when he still pronounces Rune's name as "Roon."
JoshDragon
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Ok, well that's complete B.S.
Alcaraz and Sinner are both more impactful than Shelton.
I'm assuming/hoping they're not being classified as newcomers.
Alcaraz was #32 in 2021 and #1 in 2022.
Sinner was #37 in 2020 and #10 in 2021.
They've been around for a few years. Shelton started playing pro tournaments in earnest in the summer of 2022. He still seems like a newcomer.
KantenKlaar
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For the moment.
KantenKlaar
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The Australian Open has seen some impressive serves this year as the conditions really suit players that serve well. Ben Shelton is certainly one of them as he demonstrated the devastating power of his serve in the past two weeks. The youngster cemented himself as a bright talent that will make his top 50 debut next Monday.
His fastest serve was measured at 141 mph which is 228 km/h. It's the fastest serve recorded at this year's Australian Open narrowly beating up Frances Tiafoe and Alexander Bublik who hit 140 mph (226 km/h). It's not the only serving statistic where he impressed. He also hit 85 aces in five matches which is more than Khachanov who is second and Tsitsipas who is third.
His fastest serve was measured at 141 mph which is 228 km/h. It's the fastest serve recorded at this year's Australian Open narrowly beating up Frances Tiafoe and Alexander Bublik who hit 140 mph (226 km/h). It's not the only serving statistic where he impressed. He also hit 85 aces in five matches which is more than Khachanov who is second and Tsitsipas who is third.
atatu
Legend
Just curious, which player, playing his first full year on the tour, had more impact that Shelton ? Even Fils and Van Assched both turned pro in 2021 before Shelton. Fils: Aus-DNP, French-1R, Wimbledon -1R, USO-2R. Van Assche: Aus-1R, French-2R, Wimbledon-1R, USO-1R. I can't think of anyone else playing their first year on the tour who did better than Shelton but maybe I'm missing someone ?Someone needs to tell Gross that Ben's best results at the FO and Wimbledon are first round and second round losses. But he's so "impactful" at majors.
Gil's tennis acumen is summed up when he still pronounces Rune's name as "Roon."
BeatlesFan
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Name one match Gil Gross has ever participated in as a broadcaster on Tennis Channel.
BeatlesFan
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Just off the top of my head, Mats broke onto the tour in 1981 but his first full season was 1982 and he won the French Open. Becker turned pro in mid-1984 and in 1985, his first full season, he won Wimbledon. McEnroe turned pro in 1977 and in his first full season the next year, reached the semis of Wimbledon (losing to Connors) and won 2 other tournaments, both 500's.
Clearly, those three guys in their first full seasons blow doors off what Shelton did last year. You also fail to note that Shelton did absolutely nothing for the first 9 months of the year, routinely losing first and second rounds.
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atatu
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Sorrry I didn't realize we were talking about in the entire history of tennis. Yeah, probably Spencer Gore also had a better first year that Shelton, but it's pretty obvious that Gross was talking about this year, and he's right. Also he's talking about having an impact at the bigger events, he wasn't saying Shelton had the most consistent year of any of the new players. First full year on the tour and he's ranked #19, that's having an impact.
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