Krish872007
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Berdych DESTROYING the Big Four
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Paul Harman
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Is it bad that Berdych usually has the losing score in these clips?
Still..when Big Berd goes big, big 4 go home.
Still..when Big Berd goes big, big 4 go home.
Deon Sanders
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I am more interested in a compilation of Berdie tweets about how good Roger is
Nostradamus
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he beat Federer at Wimbledon when roger was in his prime and his best. That is saying something right there
Standaa
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That’s where you’re wrong.
King No1e
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Federer was past his prime. Still doesn't take away from his scary peak form
King No1e
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10-15? Are you trolling? He's good but he's no Federer. 2 or 3 perhaps
Peak for peak Berdych > Federer
Federer and Del Potro
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Nostradamus
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past prime ? how do you figure? he was still very young and peaking seen by his performances in following years
Red Rick
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The Netherlands hypothetical 2014 & 2018 World Champion yo
What's even better, I had the worst temper on a football field. I'd scream at my teammates all the damn time. I would be subject to the bestest memes
Pheasant
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Fed's tip-top peak was from 2010-2013. I'll do Fed a favor here and exclude his matches on clay during that time frame. After all, Fed has always sucked on clay. Away from clay from 2010-2013, Berdych was 5-2 vs Federer, which includes 2-0 in slam play. And this was clearly Fed's peak. There's no doubt about that. This is Berdych owning Peak Fed on Fed's best surfaces. This is proof that Berdych absolutely destroys Peak Fed. Fed's level from 2004-2007 was far closer to high school level than Berdych's peak. But at least Peak Fed from 2010-2013 managed to go 2-5 vs Berdych away from clay.
Had Peak Berdych played Fed from 2004-2007, he would have gone been 20-0 vs Fed en route to winning 13 slam titles during this time frame(Nadal still gets his 3 RG titles). It's a big shame that Berdych didn't peak from 2004-2007. The game has evolved so much, that Peak Schwartzman from 2003-2007 would have destroyed Fed at Wimbledon in straight sets every time. Peak Fed from 2010-2013 might have taken a few sets off of Peak Schwartzman on grass while maybe a few games on hard courts.
Peak Donskoy would have also been undefeated against Fed from 2004-2007; going 10-0 vs Federer. However, that cat only would have won 7 slam titles during that time frame, assuming that peak Berdych and Peak Schwartzman didn't play during that time frame.
All of Fed's record have been taken away, due to the ATP declaring Fed a "weak era mug".
Had Peak Berdych played Fed from 2004-2007, he would have gone been 20-0 vs Fed en route to winning 13 slam titles during this time frame(Nadal still gets his 3 RG titles). It's a big shame that Berdych didn't peak from 2004-2007. The game has evolved so much, that Peak Schwartzman from 2003-2007 would have destroyed Fed at Wimbledon in straight sets every time. Peak Fed from 2010-2013 might have taken a few sets off of Peak Schwartzman on grass while maybe a few games on hard courts.
Peak Donskoy would have also been undefeated against Fed from 2004-2007; going 10-0 vs Federer. However, that cat only would have won 7 slam titles during that time frame, assuming that peak Berdych and Peak Schwartzman didn't play during that time frame.
All of Fed's record have been taken away, due to the ATP declaring Fed a "weak era mug".
Poisoned Slice
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Nostradamus
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What if Berdych came back next year and won a major ? would you respect him then ?
Poisoned Slice
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King No1e
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At least not in his peak. A few months removed from his peak. Same way Kyrgios didn't beat Peakdal and Istomin didn't exactly beat Peakovic.
Mainad
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Nostradamus
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I think Berdych would have won a major if it wasn't for Federer or Rafa
Federer and Del Potro
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tennisaddict
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I really feel sorry for Bendych.. As much as he deserves the hate for his tweets, he is far better than the Nishikori, Dmitrov, Raonic, Goffin and Zverev / next gens , who have not done anything of note till date.
If anyone recollects the Cincinnati 2011 match against Federer, he beat him 6-2, 7-6 without facing a single BP. He beat Fed at Wimb 10 and USO 12 emphatically. Has also made Nadal look helpless. Has beaten Djoker.
When i look at nextgen, Berdych is like a god
If anyone recollects the Cincinnati 2011 match against Federer, he beat him 6-2, 7-6 without facing a single BP. He beat Fed at Wimb 10 and USO 12 emphatically. Has also made Nadal look helpless. Has beaten Djoker.
When i look at nextgen, Berdych is like a god
Nostradamus
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he is more talented than Kachanov and maybe zeverev
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tennisaddict
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Sod made 1 extra major finals, Sod has beaten Fedal - same as Berdych, both won masters, both were very good at their peaks.
Sod made 0 SF and 4 QF , Berdych made 6 SF and 10 QF
Berdych played for long though - and he was a Davis Cup stalwart.
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Berdych became an utter mug in his last years as a top player. Would you rather hang around and take beatings from everyone in the top 10 or retire being a major threat to the big guys?
Berdych didn't have the level of play Soderling had at his peak. No way Berdych beats Nadal and Federer in back to back years at the French Open or at any event.
So Berdych has the longevity, Soderling by far has the better peak.
tennisaddict
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Berdych made the SF of Wimb in 2016 and 2017. He made AO QF in 2018. Unfortunately he is running into Fed every time who seems to have found the answer to Berdych .
But for his injury, both him and Tsonga would have displaced Thiem and Anderson in top 8 , even this year.
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And lost to Murray in straights with zero resistance. So? Then he lost to ancient Federer who wasn't tested at all. OK, means quite a lot.
He's had similar runs during his earlier years, he didn't make the QF in 2009 but he sure played Federer a lot closer.
Seeing as he already left the top 8 in 2016 I doubt it.tennisaddict said:
RF-18
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Berdych is the GPNTWASOAT
tennisaddict
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But he fared way better against Murray at USO 12 and AO 15. Even against Fed at Wimb 17, the match was tough . Fed got ahead of him in two tiebreak sets.
Unlike Ferrer who was a grinder and was a true gatekeeper, Berdych was entertaining and caused the occasional upset.
Soderling beat peak Fed and peak Nadal , he will have that always but Berdych and Ferrer have accomplished a lot more.
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Funnily enough though Soderling dominated Ferrer. In terms of peak level I would never dream to put Berdych or Ferrer anywhere near him.
I'm not saying Berdych was crap 24/7 but during 2016-2018 he became pretty much fodder for the top guys.
tennisaddict
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Fair enough but still think Berdych has accomplished far more than the Thiem, Goffin , Raonic, Dmitrov , Nishikori kinds..
It is very much in the realm of possibilities that Sod could have had a Wawa like career.
Federer wasnt really much past his prime, or at all, in 2010. However in that particular match he was playing really bad. Much worse than most of his losses at Wimbledon and the U.S Open, and much worse than in his RG loss to Soderling weeks earlier where he was mostly just overpowered. Djokovic in the semis was even worse, double faulting galore.
Really few of Berdych's even "big wins" I find that impressive. Unlike even guys like Tsonga and Soderling I rarely see him take out one of the truly big guns in a big match where they look to be playing even decently. I find Berdych mostly a very consistent player who doesnt have that great a peak level of play. Basically a much harder hitting but much slower and mentally weaker version of David Ferrer.
Thiem has an excellent chance of surpassing Berdych's achievements by careers end. Obviously Berdych's career is basically over and Thiem still has many years left. Thiem has a good shot at winning atleast 1 RG title which would already likely elevate him past slamless Berdych. I would honestly be a bit surprised if Thiem does not surpass Berdych's career which doesnt say much for Berdych considering Thiem is basically just a clay court specialist, and not that good. Yeah Thiem is probably lucky (if he does) to be coming into such a weak era, and part of such a horrible generation, but you cant say much to defend Berdych when even Wawrinka and Cilic easily beat him out towards slam wins.
Dmitrov YEC title and YE#3 could give him a good case of a better career than Berdych if he just reaches 1 slam final. Which still is possible if he recovers.
Yeah Nishikori, Raonic, and Goffin probably wont surpass Berdych at this point, but still surpassing Berdych isnt that tough to do. Even Marin Cilic has managed it with ease, and 4 years ago people would have said that would never happen either.
Berdych is probably even behind Ferrer and Tsonga as well. Certainly talent and peak level play wise he is easily behind Tsonga while only roughly on par with him in results, and in consistency and overall results he loses to Ferrer. The only reason you think Berdych is more dangerous than Ferrer is since he is a power player, and people default to thinking power players are always more dangerous. The fact is his combined head to heads with the top 4 and number of wins over top players in big events he is no better though.
tennisaddict
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If Berdych was a 20-22 year old at this time, he will be winning multiple majors. So that is the reason an eye test is more important than number of slams won.
Berdych is unlucky and so is Sod and Tsonga. You cannot say the same about Ferrer who can lose to any player on fire. He does not have the weapons to win the biggest matches.
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I don't rate those guys very highly.
I don't rate Berdych very highly either but at least he could beat the top guys.
Meles
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was vs should've been in prime; not much difference when it comes down to it.
Bendy smacked him hard in peakerer's only Olympics in Athens.
Meles
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Meles
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So you're completely on board with the great Bendych hoovering up slams in the great vacuum?
I might have agreed with you before 2015. When first Wawrinka and then even Cilic beat him to slam titles when he was still playing some of his best tennis that year, it is clear he just isnt good enough. The 2015 Australian Open and 2015 U.S Open were clear events Berdych could have won if he were good enough, with a wide open draw to the title (in retrospect anyway) but he wasnt good enough to go past Wawrinka or Cilic. And you cant say that wasnt a near peak Berdych, he reached the quarters or semis of 3 different slams, there are only a few years his whole career he managed that.
He really is more like a Ferrer than a Tsonga or Soderling. Those guys are much more dangerous at their best regardless of the fact all 3 are power players. The Federer who Tsonga beat at Wimbledon and the Nadal who Tsonga destroyed at the Australian Open were way better playing versions than the Federer who Berdych beat at Wimbledon, or the Nadal who Berdych beat at the Australian Open a couple years ago. And Berdych could never in a million years manage what Soderling did, being the only guy to ever beat prime Nadal at Roland Garros, something even peak Federer couldnt do or come particularly close to ever doing. Just imagine Berdych ever pulling that off without dieing of laughter. He might have beat a decently playing Federer/Nadal/Djokovic in some minor tournaments, but all his few wins over them in slams, all matches I saw, those guys were really bad.
Meles
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LOL. Bendy through age 24. Let's just count slams which is infantile, but from 2007-2010 Bendy had at slams:
1 final
1 SF
1 QF
4 Round of 16
Thiem 2015-2018:
1 final
2 SFs
1 QF
5 Round of 16
Thiem has been Round of 16 or better for 9 slams in a row except Wimbledon 2018. Berdych was much more erractic. Tournament wins Thiem leads 11 to 5. 2014 to 2016 were Bendy's most consistent years in slams.
I haven't heard of anybody who thinks that Federer's peak was from 2010-2013. Most say it is last 1/2 of 2003 (or early 2004) to 2007. 2013 was one of his worst years on tour - how do you think it was his very peak?
Meles
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Djokovicfan
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Hmm. Berdych must have alot of slam titles right op?
tennisaddict
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Berdych made 6 SF and 10 QF in his career in a tough era
Thiem can keep winning 250’s and the a major when the big 3 go out .
Berdych > Thiem
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TennisFan97068
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And Djokovic who is 25-3 against him.
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