Berrettini vs. Hurkacz on grass

[Forgive Me Father]

Who is more dangerous? (edit: After re-searching this thread, its obviously Berrettini)

On grass these 2 are probably the 2 best players after Sinner/Acaraz/Djokovic, with Medvedev and Zverev being in the mix with them.

Berrettini: 1 Final, 2 R4s, injured/DNP in 2022 (no WB in 2020) - R4 losses came to Federer and Alcaraz, subsequent finalist / champion
Hurkacz: 1 SF, 1 R4, R1 loss to Fokina in 2022 when a SF was imminent - R4 loss came to Djokovic

Berrettini is 43-10 on grass, 4 titles, 2 500s, 1 additiona Final (last week Stuttgart). Hes 39-6 excluding 2018 / since 2019!

Hurkacz is 21-12 on grass (21-10 since 2019 Eastbourne), 1 title, no additional final (came closest at 2023 Stuttgart, SF 3-set loss to Struff).


I liked Berrettini before making this thread but looking into it made me realize he is indeed overall obviously better. In fact when adding context that Hurkaczs 2021 WB SF was quite lucky with the rain break suspending the Medvedev match and that Berrettini then destroyed him in the semifinal its not much to discuss.

Berrettinis wins on grass are also more impressive. Its understated how clinical his wins over ADM and Zverev at WB were last year.

Who do you guys like beyond this?

FAA in theory can be clinical on grass, so can Shapovalov, but it rarely comes to fruition. Draper will be one to look out for. Korda is clinical on grass too.

 

[SpinToWin]

Matchup and form dependent imo. Hubi doesn’t have Berrettini’s forehand but he also doesn’t have his backhand if you get what I mean haha

 

[Kralingen]

In terms of resume and what they’ve shown on grass as well as their best wins, it’s obviously Berrettini.

However with Matteo missing most of the season so far and losing to a guy like Draper at the Boss Open, I’m inclined to pick Hurkacz for 2024. His serve is even deadlier and I think that gives him a higher ceiling, although he is chokier and worse on return.

 

[Forgive Me Father]

In terms of resume and what they’ve shown on grass as well as their best wins, it’s obviously Berrettini.

However with Matteo missing most of the season so far and losing to a guy like Draper at the Boss Open, I’m inclined to pick Hurkacz for 2024. His serve is even deadlier and I think that gives him a higher ceiling, although he is chokier and worse on return.

"losing to a guy like Draper" ?
Thats not a bad loss.

 

[Forgive Me Father]

These 2 could play the quarterfinal here in Queens.

 

[Kralingen]

"losing to a guy like Draper" ?
Thats not a bad loss.

It’s a very bad loss for a Wimbledon winner. Draper repeatedly humiliated with the serve to his BH wing.

For just a contender, sure, it’s fine. Draper is good, and a deep contender in his own right (provided his body doesn’t fall apart, which is about the riskiest bet in tennis)

But if we’re grading on who has the (slim) chance of lifting the pineapple trophy, I’m going with the Hurk.

 

[nighthawkrr]

Who is more dangerous? (edit: After re-searching this thread, its obviously Berrettini)

On grass these 2 are probably the 2 best players after Sinner/Acaraz/Djokovic, with Medvedev and Zverev being in the mix with them.

Berrettini: 1 Final, 2 R4s, injured/DNP in 2022 (no WB in 2020) - R4 losses came to Federer and Alcaraz, subsequent finalist / champion
Hurkacz: 1 SF, 1 R4, R1 loss to Fokina in 2022 when a SF was imminent - R4 loss came to Djokovic

Berrettini is 43-10 on grass, 4 titles, 2 500s, 1 additiona Final (last week Stuttgart). Hes 39-6 excluding 2018 / since 2019!

Hurkacz is 21-12 on grass (21-10 since 2019 Eastbourne), 1 title, no additional final (came closest at 2023 Stuttgart, SF 3-set loss to Struff).


I liked Berrettini before making this thread but looking into it made me realize he is indeed overall obviously better. In fact when adding context that Hurkaczs 2021 WB SF was quite lucky with the rain break suspending the Medvedev match and that Berrettini then destroyed him in the semifinal its not much to discuss.

Berrettinis wins on grass are also more impressive. Its understated how clinical his wins over ADM and Zverev at WB were last year.

Who do you guys like beyond this?

FAA in theory can be clinical on grass, so can Shapovalov, but it rarely comes to fruition. Draper will be one to look out for. Korda is clinical on grass too.

FAA just needs it to rain for a fortnight and he can win a slam.

 

[Forgive Me Father]

It’s a very bad loss for a Wimbledon winner. Draper repeatedly humiliated with the serve to his BH wing.

For just a contender, sure, it’s fine. Draper is good, and a deep contender in his own right (provided his body doesn’t fall apart, which is about the riskiest bet in tennis)

But if we’re grading on who has the (slim) chance of lifting the pineapple trophy, I’m going with the Hurk.

the Hurk loses to players worse than Draper all the time, on grass.

Even last year.

And by less close margins too. Berreta was a tiebreak from straight setting.

Berrettini has went further at Wimbledon, has way more titles, more impressive scalps, destroyed him H2H, seems clutcher... just dont see Hurks edge.

 

[Tano]

"losing to a guy like Draper" ?
Thats not a bad loss.

What has Draper done that is significant in the important tournaments on the tour?

 

[Kralingen]

the Hurk loses to players worse than Draper all the time, on grass.

Even last year.

And by less close margins too. Berreta was a tiebreak from straight setting.

Berrettini has went further at Wimbledon, has way more titles, more impressive scalps, destroyed him H2H, seems clutcher... just dont see Hurks edge.

Hurkacz has much better results this year and is showing a higher serving level than Berrettini ever has reached. He is a glass cannon and loves choking but his serve this year is hitting ridiculous levels of efficacy. Moreover his loss to Novak last year will have taught him a lot of lessons.

Basically we are seeing peak Hurkacz (or hope to see) whereas Berrettini is decidedly not peak.

 

[Forgive Me Father]

What has Draper done that is significant in the important tournaments on the tour?

Rating players like that has never worked.

Thats the same logic that made people think Sinner wasnt a threat at the FO cause he never won a clay title above 250.

Draper has played Wimbledon twice, hes lost to Djokovic and de Minaur. He took a set off both.

Hes 13-5 on grass in total, thats a comparable start to Berrettini and better than Hurkacz.

Hes beaten Sinner, Bublik, Fritz, Brooksby, Nakashima on grass, without losing a single set. All of his losses have been quite impressive too, and with Alcaraz coming up next, that wont change.

Theres nothing to suggest losing to Draper on grass is any kind of slight.

 

[Forgive Me Father]

Hurkacz has much better results this year and is showing a higher serving level than Berrettini ever has reached. He is a glass cannon and loves choking but his serve this year is hitting ridiculous levels of efficacy. Moreover his loss to Novak last year will have taught him a lot of lessons.

Basically we are seeing peak Hurkacz (or hope to see) whereas Berrettini is decidedly not peak.

Berrettini has come off a long break and is already 13-4 this year (better win rate than Hurkacz actually), theres nothing to suggest he wont be even better than Hurkacz come Wimbledon.

 

[Mainad]

Berrettini has 4 grasscourt titles (2 at Queen's, 2 at Stuttgart) and is a Wimbledon finalist (2021).

Hurkacz has 1 grasscourt title (2022 Halle) and is a Wimbledon semi-finalist (2021).

Advantage Berrettini.

 

[puppybutts]

On grass these 2 are probably the 2 best players after Sinner/Acaraz/Djokovic, with Medvedev and Zverev being in the mix with them.

I'm sorry what? correct me if I'm wrong, but Zverev and Medvedeev have never done well on grass. Meddy lacks the firepower and Zverev is rarely a first-strike player

 

[Forgive Me Father]

I'm sorry what? correct me if I'm wrong, but Zverev and Medvedeev have never done well on grass. Meddy lacks the firepower and Zverev is rarely a first-strike player

They "havent done well" if you look at surface level objectives.

Hurkacz has hardly done better than Medvedev on grass, there is literally nothing doing them apart achievement wise.

And the only reason Zverev cant say the same is because he was injured in the grass season in 2022 and Wimbledon wasnt played in 2020 (when Hurkacz was not in his prime yet).

Medvedev was rolling Hurkacz in their 2021 encounter when the rain stopped the match for the day. If that hadnt happened this wouldnt even be a discussion, actually.

 

[ibbi]

Berrettini is not the player he once was, and Hurkacz is about as good as he ever was, but he's done nothing to overcome his same old issues, while Berrettini still looks great on the surface. When they played at Wimbledon in 2021, that was a blockbuster match on paper. Matteo had won Queens, Hurkacz had three incredible wins on the bounce including the incredible upset where he totally outdueled Medvedev and then retiring the old king, and what happened? Total damp squib, because Hubie wet the bed. I would expect nothing different if they met again.