Depends on the particular opponent and what you are comfortable with, but besides the two options you mentioned, I like the dipsy doodle and the hot potato. Dipsy doodle is just lots of topspin so they have to dig it out. That usually means they are going to have to hit up to get it over the net, so as long as you position well on the shot you should have multiple options with the next ball. The hot potato is going right at them. Many people are not great at knowing what to do with those. Even if they are good at it, targeting the forehand side hip is very effective regardless if you can really make it hot.
Yeah I also thought of this kind of metagaming, before I read what it's actually about.pro penn marathon ... they bounce high.
Yeah I also thought of this kind of metagaming, before I read what it's actually about.
Actually love fresh balls. Hate when they explode off the court towards me. Kantianish tennis.Great minds ... or maybe troubled minds.
Do you know how can I return short, weak ball in an unrushed way? Like not over-hitting or trying too hard for spin etc. so that it may go to the net? Assuming the return to me is a sitter like ball front the net, what's the best way to placing the ball effortlessly? I'm asking, cause when I try this, I usually slow down my racket too much and I hit the net. It is probably about the swing path, that I stop the racket too early besides slowing down, but just want to hear tips.I like what Kevo said. Another tactic that I use is to not try to thread the needle on the passing shot, but try to get the player to stretch out as much as possible on the shot, so try to put it right on the edge of where they can get to it. This usually results in a weak ball, or one hit out or into the net. There are lots of ways to hit this shot, high with lots of topspin down the line, sharp angle cross-court, etc.
So if he is waiting at the net, I should return the ball with a slice too? But Like in my OP some players do not get to the net after hitting a slice, from my latest match, the opponent mostly came to the net not after the return of the serve, but after getting the ball returned one or two more times. (so sometimes, it wasn't a slice)Get good at hitting the incoming slice: most C&C plays start with a slice approach and if you aren't accustomed to dealing with that, straight into the bottom of the net your passing shot will go.
There's nothing magical about the play: as the one who typically is on the giving end, the people who beat me love a target, can control where they hit it and with what spin pretty well, and, most importantly, they don't panic when they see me approach. Too often the guy on the BL panics, overhits, and donates points.
The lob can be very effective but you have to determine how good his OH is: someone who does a lot of C&C is likely to have a better than average one. It's least effective on your first shot after he approaches because he likely hasn't gotten close enough to the net. The only time I'll lob under those circumstances is when I see him charging with no intention of putting on the brakes.
So I gotta move forward right after doing that shot as well in case he returns a short one?Another tactic to use is a soft chip at the feet of the net rusher that will force him/her to hit up on a ball with little pace.
The problem is that even if I could return his volley, the volleys mostly were aimed at the corners, so I got to be fast, in that case the quickest solution came to my mind was the lob thinking it would be easier to execute rather than a regular hit cause he kept returning them.I learnt recently that i don't need to hit a spectacular passing shot. An OK one with pace can give me a chance on the next shot.
But isn't this like more of a defensive shot? That's what I mean. The opponent kept volleying to the corners, so even it was suggested here, soft chip at the feet is harder to hit.
If he hits the volley from above the net and places it to the corner, most likely your previous shot was bad for the situation. That's what everyone telling you - hit it in a way that he's either stretched to reach it (like semi-lob through the backhand side) or has to hit from below the net (topspin dipping shot). If you put him in such conditions, he's not likely to consistently pull a great volley. Also, those shots are generally easier to execute for you than clean passers and lobs.The problem is that even if I could return his volley, the volleys mostly were aimed at the corners, so I got to be fast, in that case the quickest solution came to my mind was the lob thinking it would be easier to execute rather than a regular hit cause he kept returning them.
Would be smart to step into court, but not charge to the net. Split stepping at around service line is good option after hitting a good dropshot. After a bad dropshot... well, that's area of chances.Guys, do you usually start going to the net right after hitting a ball at their feet, and also when you hit a drop shot while they're waiting at the baseline?
Alright thanks. So in such scenerio, where I get the opponent to the net myself by hitting a drop shot, if he returns it (preassumely as a weak, short ball) - then what's the best option to return such ball now?Would be smart to step into court, but not charge to the net. Split stepping at around service line is good option after hitting a good dropshot. After a bad dropshot... well, that's area of chances.
Put it to the open court.Alright thanks. So in such scenerio, where I get the opponent to the net myself by hitting a drop shot, if he returns it (preassumely as a weak, short ball) - then what's the best option to return such ball now?
So in that case ripping the ball is not important, but the placement. Thanks.Put it to the open court.
Usually if you hit a good dropshot, your opponent is in bad position - close to net and at either side, and you are in good position - in the middle of the court hitting a weak ball or volleying from above the net much earlier than when he can recover. So you usually have a widely open court and only have to get the ball past the opponent.So in that case ripping the ball is not important, but the placement. Thanks.
Do you know how can I return short, weak ball in an unrushed way? Like not over-hitting or trying too hard for spin etc. so that it may go to the net? Assuming the return to me is a sitter like ball front the net, what's the best way to placing the ball effortlessly? I'm asking, cause when I try this, I usually slow down my racket too much and I hit the net. It is probably about the swing path, that I stop the racket too early besides slowing down, but just want to hear tips.
Between a half-ass lob and an attempt for a good pass, go for glory. At least you get practice on the pass. Ur opponent is going to put away an easy lob any way, and you don't gain anything from it.The problem is that even if I could return his volley, the volleys mostly were aimed at the corners, so I got to be fast, in that case the quickest solution came to my mind was the lob thinking it would be easier to execute rather than a regular hit cause he kept returning them.
Depends on the particular opponent and what you are comfortable with, but besides the two options you mentioned, I like the dipsy doodle and the hot potato. Dipsy doodle is just lots of topspin so they have to dig it out. That usually means they are going to have to hit up to get it over the net, so as long as you position well on the shot you should have multiple options with the next ball. The hot potato is going right at them. Many people are not great at knowing what to do with those. Even if they are good at it, targeting the forehand side hip is very effective regardless if you can really make it hot.
But what if he hits a moonballish ball at the net-what would you do?Spot on, Kevo. I play a guy that loves nothing but CC all the damn time. I found against him that the hot potato isn't as effective but the dipping crosscourt ball causes him all sorts of crazy. I look at the point as setting me up first with the dipper and then I close in for the weak response and then put away.
I think till that part I am good (making them hit a soft volley), but the problem usually begins returning that low, weak ball.Without seeing how you're trying to hit that sort of ball now, I'd say either use a slice or a regular stroke with an abbreviated back swing.
If you feel like you're slowing down your racquet as you swing to contact for this shot, that's trouble. Using a smaller back swing gives you less distance to accelerate before contact and if you combine that with a normal follow through, that should give you a quick and consistent swing that you can control. The shorter back swing should help to restrict you from over hitting, which sounds like what you're looking for here.
If that short, weak ball that comes to you is a slice, I believe that the best response to that shot is often a slice of your own. If you're not especially comfortable with your slice right now, I'd say embrace it. The slice is a nuts-and-bolts fundamental shot that everybody should have in their tennis tool kit, but it can often be left on the back burner these days.
When an opponent leaves the baseline to get toward the net, change your thinking. Instead of the side to side placement that we typically use for baseline exchanges, shift your priority to controlling the elevation of your shot. Keep the ball down against a net rushing opponent and that player will be more neutralized compared with what happens when we give that attacker a ball up around shoulder or head height. That's usually a free lunch... or at least a free point.
The low shot to a net rusher is the first ball of perhaps a two shot counter attack. Force that opponent to hit a soft volley around waist high or even a softer half volley from around the shoe tops and then get ready to move in and make more trouble with your next ball.
Alright. But sometimes surprisingly, they return a similar ball too where you cannot hit a volley from above the net.Usually if you hit a good dropshot, your opponent is in bad position - close to net and at either side, and you are in good position - in the middle of the court hitting a weak ball or volleying from above the net much earlier than when he can recover. So you usually have a widely open court and only have to get the ball past the opponent.
Yes, I had a big serve and excellent approach shots as well as an excellent chip and charge game, so I came forward most of the points. My volley's however, were always very poor, so my being at the net (if I didn't win the point earlier, which was most of the time), was really a bluff. There were a lot of people that I never had to hit volleys against because they constantly overhit their passing shots, assuming I could actually volley.Get good at hitting the incoming slice: most C&C plays start with a slice approach and if you aren't accustomed to dealing with that, straight into the bottom of the net your passing shot will go.
There's nothing magical about the play: as the one who typically is on the giving end, the people who beat me love a target, can control where they hit it and with what spin pretty well, and, most importantly, they don't panic when they see me approach. Too often the guy on the BL panics, overhits, and donates points.
So if he is waiting at the net, I should return the ball with a slice too? But Like in my OP some players do not get to the net after hitting a slice, from my latest match, the opponent mostly came to the net not after the return of the serve, but after getting the ball returned one or two more times. (so sometimes, it wasn't a slice)
Guys, do you usually start going to the net right after hitting a ball at their feet,
and also when you hit a drop shot while they're waiting at the baseline?
I would you say you should mix things up, don't give your opponent the same ball everytime...
Usually if you hit a good dropshot, your opponent is in bad position - close to net and at either side, and you are in good position - in the middle of the court hitting a weak ball or volleying from above the net much earlier than when he can recover. So you usually have a widely open court and only have to get the ball past the opponent.
But what if he hits a moonballish ball at the net-what would you do?
You should accept this. Sometimes they even hit crazy re-drops you cannot reach. If they hit something of that kind, look for optimal shot, to still win, or stay in point and try to figure out new solution. Don’t be bothered as far as you win more in such points - it’s mostly enough to win just over 50% of points in tennis.A
Alright. But sometimes surprisingly, they return a similar ball too where you cannot hit a volley from above the net.
I think till that part I am good (making them hit a soft volley), but the problem usually begins returning that low, weak ball.
Thanks. I will try self feeding balls next time I rent a court. Can you find the video you mentioned ?That's the ball you're trying to use against an opponent to force that player to hit up - so when it comes to you, don't hit up. Feather a low ball back across the net and keep moving in or improving your position. If you're not too familiar with hitting this softer, lower shots, I think that a backboard or wall is ideal for working on it. Just take a continental grip and slide those little "cut" shots against the wall just above the net line. If the wall doesn't have a line, you can just put a little masking tape or something on there to give you a reference height.
As far as hitting more of a full stroke off an incoming ball that's a little low and slow, you don't even need a backboard. You can self feed by putting a few extra balls in your pocket and toss them one at a time to your left or your right so that you have to move to the ball to hit it. Toss it up a bit higher than head height and hit the ball after the 2nd bounce so that it's mostly dropping and not moving much horizontally.
This self feeding may sound stupid, but a pro posted a Youtube video of himself doing this on a court and he was forcing himself to work really hard with the proper footwork and preparation to hit these slow balls well. Because the ball wasn't coming to him he had to take extra steps to set up on the strike zone and he also had to swing with control and focus because he was hitting balls with no incoming pace - he couldn't redirect them like we can in an easy baseline exchange.
Do this self feeding right and you can make yourself move a lot by going over to one sideline and then the other. When you use up the few you're carrying, scurry back to your hooper, cart, etc., reload, and hit a few more. If you do this right, you can be good and wasted after 25 or so balls and a ga-jillion steps. Lots of reps hitting off-speed balls and a potentially great workout.
Thanks. I will try self feeding balls next time I rent a court. Can you find the video you mentioned ?