Best Clay-court match Rafa has played, yet still lost?

Well?

  • FO 2009 vs Soderling

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  • Madrid 2009 vs Federer

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  • Vina del Mar 2013 vs Zeballos

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The one that comes to mind for me is Rome 2014. I remember I was at work when that match was going on, and when I finished I got on the BBC site to see what had happened, and I saw this picture
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Look at their faces... If you saw just their heads would you think the guy on the right was the winner, and the one on the left was the loser? I thought to myself "What the hell is he so happy about?" but I remember him saying how he had found positives in his game, and 3 weeks later it turned out he wasn't just dreamin9, and I had been a fool to doubt him.
 
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Madrid '09 - if that makes the list, it tells you something, and I'm not saying it shouldn't.

Rome 2011 - I'm not sure Nadal was rockin' quite as hard as people are now saying. A little revisionist history, perhaps. I remember him being out of sorts after the recent losses to Djoker. In fact, he almost lost to Lorenzi in the first round.
 
You are kidding, right? It wasn't even close to 2015 Madrid when he was hitting forehands in the middle of the net. The reason he was hitting moonballs was because he couldn't keep up with Djokovic from the baseline so he was trying something else.

Djokovic was on a different planet in 2011.

I agree ...
 
They don't call him the king of clay for nothing, all the ones that would have been the easiest candidates Rafa always ended up winning, Rome 2005 and 2006, FO 2013, Madrid 2009, etc.
 
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Rome was one of NDs best. I think He played the same in Madrid just not as glistening highligts but Nads was a tad better there in Madrid than in Rome imo. Before that match he hadnt lost ever to Novak on clay. After losing the first 4 games he seemed poised to win the set then lost it 7-5. In Rome Nads collapsed mentally a tad whereas in Madrid he expected to win and just couldnt get it done.

other way round from what I remember.
Both were better in Rome than in Madrid.
Rome 11 final was clearly better perf from Djokovic.

nadal was expected to win in Rome more so than madrid as it suited him more than madrid + djokovic had a 3hr 3-setter vs murray the previous day. Also djoko had taken him to the brink at madrid in 09.
 
The one that comes to mind for me is Rome 2014. I remember I was at work when that match was going on, and when I finished I got on the BBC site to see what had happened, and I saw this picture
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Look at their faces... If you saw just their heads would you think the guy on the right was the winner, and the one on the left was the loser? I thought to myself "What the hell is he so happy about?" but I remember him saying how he had found positives in his game, and 3 weeks later it turned out he wasn't just dreamin9, and I had been a fool to doubt him.
about Djokovic look
There was massive flood in Serbia and whole region from where Djokovic comes, it's normal that he didn't celebrate much, it would be disrespectful to victims .
 
other way round from what I remember.
Both were better in Rome than in Madrid.
Rome 11 final was clearly better perf from Djokovic.

nadal was expected to win in Rome more so than madrid as it suited him more than madrid + djokovic had a 3hr 3-setter vs murray the previous day. Also djoko had taken him to the brink at madrid in 09.

Contradiction, I agree Djok recovered well but then it doesn't matter in terms of Nadal's level, which was the question of this thread. If you mean Nadal expected to win in Rome as well because of Novak's SF, all I can say is I remember the commentary was hyping up ND's domination of Rafa and saying he had a good shot despite being so tired. In Madrid, Rafa was still the big favorite, because despite losing in IW and Miami, he was undefeated on clay vs. Novak to that point.

Nadal does play a bit better in Rome historically due to conditions, but his Madrid performances are a bit over criticized, he's done pretty well since it switched to clay, 4 of 9. In the same time he won Rome also 4 times out of 8, with the 9th chance coming this week.

In that particular match, he was closer to winning the 1st set than either in Rome, He also slid into his pattern of getting broken to lose the set twice in Rome, which happened multiple times from then on vs. Novak.

I think he played more confident in Madrid because he had never lost on clay to Novak before.
 
And yet another vote for these options.

Funny though: Rome 2006 would have gotten my vote if Rafa had lost that one, but it actually still gets my vote for his best ever level of tennis when ending up winning. :)

Without a doubt that match would go down as Federer's best match on clay, that he lost.

Back to the topic: I'd say RG'09 vs Soderling.
 
Has to be Madrid 2012. Any straight set match or one where the final set was 6-3 or something was not Nadal playing well. And Verdasco is a fine player.
 
07 Hamburg as that was Nadal at his peak.

08 Rome and 09 Madrid too.
ROTFLMFAO! you got to kidding, main.

'07 Hamburg: the most tired and overplayed I have ever seen Nadal was in this tournament TBH; IIRC, he struggled against the likes of Hewitt, Davydenko, etc.
'08 Rome: totally Borgesque tank job made easier by nasty blisters; The Mosquito played well, though.
'09: Madrid: Uhhhhh.... can you say the day after an epic 4-hr. battle vs. Djokovic that basically tore both players up, hampering the next several months for both Nole and Rafa

Surely, you jest.

Answer: either Rome or Madrid '11
 
Contradiction, I agree Djok recovered well but then it doesn't matter in terms of Nadal's level, which was the question of this thread. If you mean Nadal expected to win in Rome as well because of Novak's SF, all I can say is I remember the commentary was hyping up ND's domination of Rafa and saying he had a good shot despite being so tired. In Madrid, Rafa was still the big favorite, because despite losing in IW and Miami, he was undefeated on clay vs. Novak to that point.

Nadal does play a bit better in Rome historically due to conditions, but his Madrid performances are a bit over criticized, he's done pretty well since it switched to clay, 4 of 9. In the same time he won Rome also 4 times out of 8, with the 9th chance coming this week.

In that particular match, he was closer to winning the 1st set than either in Rome, He also slid into his pattern of getting broken to lose the set twice in Rome, which happened multiple times from then on vs. Novak.

I think he played more confident in Madrid because he had never lost on clay to Novak before.

How is it a contradiction ? Its not wrong to assume the SF would have an effect on Novak before the match start.
It didn't , but it isn't wrong to assume.

As far as Rome is concerned

Look at Rafa's losses at Rome :
11- just mentioned above by me
14- 3 set loss to djokovic
15 - loss to stan, 6-7,2-6
16- tight 2-set loss to djokovic, 5-7,6-7

Look at his losses at Madrid :

11- as mentioned above by me
12 - choke to verdasco
15 - very poor performance vs Murray in the final, got destroyed, winning 5 games
16 - lost 5-7,4-6 to murray ...maybe equivalent to the 15 loss to stan at Rome

also should've lost 14 final to nishikori , was getting beaten, but escaped due to nishikori's injury. should really be 3/9 and not 4/9.
rome , he's 4/8 from 2009 onwards.

Now coming back to the matches in Madrid 11 and Rome 11 :

from Nadal himself :

"I was happy with the way I [played] today. I didn't hit the ball [badly] but it seems like he's always in a better position," Nadal said. "I played more aggressive than one week ago. I didn't play all defensive like in Madrid."

At one point in the second set, Nadal began hitting high balls, almost like the moon balls seen on the women's tour years ago.


"I tried for a moment, that's true," Nadal said. "I lost in Madrid so I tried different things today. ... I have many things [to try] next time."

http://www.espn.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=6553547
 
about Djokovic look
There was massive flood in Serbia and whole region from where Djokovic comes, it's normal that he didn't celebrate much, it would be disrespectful to victims .
And he dedicated all the prize money to the people in Serbia and Bosnia who's homes were devastated in the floods. A very nice gesture.
 
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