Best cross for Isospeed Cream?

[magogami]

I'm in the market for new strings and ideally want to try a soft poly/co-poly. So far Cream has caught my attention and I'm interesting in trying it. From what I've read, it seems to be great in terms of comfort, tension maintenance and control; decent in terms of spin; and low in terms of power.

I want to hybrid it with a string that will add a bit of crispness as well as power and that won't go dead or break too quickly to keep up with the longer playability of the Cream.

Would a multi cross be a good idea or would it break too easily with the poly main? If I went with a syn gut, which would be best for the crisp/power attributes? Also how does a full bed compare with crosses?

 

[CopolyX]

i am liking cream in the crosses and natural gut in the mains.
Sounds like you would like to keep Cream in the mains, but hey don't be afraid of flipping it.
Cream is a soft poly-based string so it will be great.
I would also stay away from mixing a multi with a coploy. The copoly is just so damn dominant.
I prefer to go with a mono core sync or good natural gut.
but conforming to your specific wants, there is a a ton of options:
Cross Options:
Babolat Origin, Babolat Spirltek , or any nice round more core sync you like
Also you could with that another copoly, thin ..round (or shaped)...around a 1.20-1.23 gauge..
But Laserfibre Vorso 1.23 in the crosses at they both match up perfectly with their stiffness....
Again, to of option...think out of the box..
I will take some trial and error, but you will learn and find what works best for you...

 

[Traffic]

I'm in the market for new strings and ideally want to try a soft poly/co-poly. So far Cream has caught my attention and I'm interesting in trying it. From what I've read, it seems to be great in terms of comfort, tension maintenance and control; decent in terms of spin; and low in terms of power.

I want to hybrid it with a string that will add a bit of crispness as well as power and that won't go dead or break too quickly to keep up with the longer playability of the Cream.

Would a multi cross be a good idea or would it break too easily with the poly main? If I went with a syn gut, which would be best for the crisp/power attributes? Also how does a full bed compare with crosses?

I think @392Hemi likes sgut/Cream (I think I got it right this time). OGSM adds a bit of power and crispness and Cream helps with control and allowing the sgut to slide a bit on the poly. I may have to try that combo myself.

I'm actually trying out OGSM/Velocity (sgut/multi) hybrid just because I like Velocity full bed but curious at how it would perform with a crisper and more powerful OGSM in the mains.

 

[392Hemi]

I think @392Hemi likes sgut/Cream (I think I got it right this time). OGSM adds a bit of power and crispness and Cream helps with control and allowing the sgut to slide a bit on the poly. I may have to try that combo myself.

I'm actually trying out OGSM/Velocity (sgut/multi) hybrid just because I like Velocity full bed but curious at how it would perform with a crisper and more powerful OGSM in the mains.

no no no Velocity/Cream

Cream gives a bit more feel than full bed of Velocity and zero snapback issues

 

[Traffic]

no no no Velocity/Cream

Cream gives a bit more feel than full bed of Velocity and zero snapback issues

Ok. I'm wrong again... I will stand in the corner for a while...

 

[magogami]

i am liking cream in the crosses and natural gut in the mains.
Sounds like you would like to keep Cream in the mains, but hey don't be afraid of flipping it.
Cream is a soft poly-based string so it will be great.
I would also stay away from mixing a multi with a coploy. The copoly is just so damn dominant.
I prefer to go with a mono core sync or good natural gut.
but conforming to your specific wants, there is a a ton of options:
Cross Options:
Babolat Origin, Babolat Spirltek , or any nice round more core sync you like
Also you could with that another copoly, thin ..round (or shaped)...around a 1.20-1.23 gauge..
But Laserfibre Vorso 1.23 in the crosses at they both match up perfectly with their stiffness....
Again, to of option...think out of the box..
I will take some trial and error, but you will learn and find what works best for you...

I thought poly/co-polys were better in the mains because that helps with the grip of the ball and therefore the spin potential? Also mains usually break so keeping it in the mains helps with durability?

I think @392Hemi likes sgut/Cream (I think I got it right this time). OGSM adds a bit of power and crispness and Cream helps with control and allowing the sgut to slide a bit on the poly. I may have to try that combo myself.

I'm actually trying out OGSM/Velocity (sgut/multi) hybrid just because I like Velocity full bed but curious at how it would perform with a crisper and more powerful OGSM in the mains.

I thought I saw a post where you strung up Cream/OGSM. Did you not end up testing it? I've used a syn gut/multi hybrid before but it didn't do it for me compared to full bed multi. Only problem with full bed multi is it breaks so easily .

no no no Velocity/Cream

Cream gives a bit more feel than full bed of Velocity and zero snapback issues

Does the Velocity last a while or does the Cream eat through the string? Also have you used FXP Power before/how does it compare? I used to use that string and enjoyed playing with it.

 

[392Hemi]

I thought poly/co-polys were better in the mains because that helps with the grip of the ball and therefore the spin potential? Also mains usually break so keeping it in the mains helps with durability?



I thought I saw a post where you strung up Cream/OGSM. Did you not end up testing it? I've used a syn gut/multi hybrid before but it didn't do it for me compared to full bed multi. Only problem with full bed multi is it breaks so easily .



Does the Velocity last a while or does the Cream eat through the string? Also have you used FXP Power before/how does it compare? I used to use that string and enjoyed playing with it.

Velocity/Cream does not notch any more significantly faster than full Velocity. Notching is very slow and gradual for me with either setup. No I've never used FXP power.

 

[magogami]

Velocity/Cream does not notch any more significantly faster than full Velocity. Notching is very slow and gradual for me with either setup. No I've never used FXP power.

How long does either set-up last you usually?

 

[392Hemi]

How long does either set-up last you usually?

I'm not a string breaker but I change them every 3-4 weeks, ~= 25-30 hours

 

[ByeByePoly]

Ok. I'm wrong again... I will stand in the corner for a while...

Legal weed in your part of the country? I knew you were going to get @392Hemi - slapped again. Ouch.

 

[392Hemi]

Legal weed in your part of the country? I knew you were going to get @392Hemi - slapped again. Ouch.

not here

 

[ByeByePoly]

Velocity/Cream does not notch any more significantly faster than full Velocity. Notching is very slow and gradual for me with either setup. No I've never used FXP power.

I'm actually thinking like @magogami with the cream main. FB Cream and FB Velocity were both a perfect fit for my swing speed (or lack of). They both "completed me". I picked fb Velocity over fb Cream because I figure it's marginally safer post TE. It must be ... I haven't even had a twinge since Velocity. I am playing great with fb Velocity, so I should just leave it alone. But as I said yesterday, I started to get string movement withb fb Velocity @52#. I had very little @55. It's the only reason I'm even thinking about it. From your posts, I know V/Cream would solve that. Also ... it would be the least change of 1) more poly risk for elbow 2) least change of feel from fb V.

So why even entertain Cream/V. Notching... and to a lesser extent ... tension off stringer. I cut FB Cream out after 6 hours. Tension never changed, and zero notching. I am getting notching on V by 6 hours ... good notching by 10. I guess "so what" ... it did take me 30 hours to break it. The problem is I know it's there ... I check. I didn't break RPM ever ... never once looked for a notch. Not so back in nylon|gut world ... notching or fraying or string movement. Poly really does solve a lot of problems while it is destroying your elbow.

So with cream/v ... I wonder about two things 1) poly main even with cream ... elbow? 2) how well will v work as cross ... will smooth cream on v snapback and stay straight?

I don't want anything to do with that velocity shredding @Traffic 's kid did.

 

[magogami]

I'm actually thinking like @magogami with the cream main. FB Cream and FB Velocity were both a perfect fit for my swing speed (or lack of). They both "completed me". I picked fb Velocity over fb Cream because I figure it's marginally safer post TE. It must be ... I haven't even had a twinge since Velocity. I am playing great with fb Velocity, so I should just leave it alone. But as I said yesterday, I started to get string movement withb fb Velocity @52#. I had very little @55. It's the only reason I'm even thinking about it. From your posts, I know V/Cream would solve that. Also ... it would be the least change of 1) more poly risk for elbow 2) least change of feel from fb V.

So why even entertain Cream/V. Notching... and to a lesser extent ... tension off stringer. I cut FB Cream out after 6 hours. Tension never changed, and zero notching. I am getting notching on V by 6 hours ... good notching by 10. I guess "so what" ... it did take me 30 hours to break it. The problem is I know it's there ... I check. I didn't break RPM ever ... never once looked for a notch. Not so back in nylon|gut world ... notching or fraying or string movement. Poly really does solve a lot of problems while it is destroying your elbow.

So with cream/v ... I wonder about two things 1) poly main even with cream ... elbow? 2) how well will v work as cross ... will smooth cream on v snapback and stay straight?

I don't want anything to do with that velocity shredding @Traffic 's kid did.

Why did you cut out FB Cream after 6 hours? Poor performance? And I would also be concerned about the Cream eating through the multi.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Why did you cut out FB Cream after 6 hours? Poor performance? And I would also be concerned about the Cream eating through the multi.

I cut Cream out after 6 hours because I was on a post TE string testing quest.

fb VS touch 16 55 -> fb cream 50 -> fb origin 16 55 -> fb ppc 16 55 -> tonic 16/cream 55/50 -> fb velocity 16 55,52

I was testing, so not playing until breaking or performance change. I cut the $20+ Origin out after 2 hits ... ouch $ ... but couldn't get spin with it.

The best control and fit for me and the V1 Pro was fb Cream @50. Loved it ... could hit my targets from the first swing. Did not lose any tension (RT) in 6 hours. No notching. Felt slight twinge in elbow near end of cream test. I actually think that was more from starting back up playing after months off from TE.

So the next best match for control/targets for me was Velocity. I figured first year back post TE ... fb Velocity very close to Cream ... stick with nylon.

Yes ... I will be curious how many hours I will get out of velocity/cream vs fb velocity. I broke fb velocity @30 hours ... really want to get 20+ hours.

Edit: yes, cream/velocity might work through velocity quickly, but cream is smooth and not shaped.

 

[Traffic]

So with cream/v ... I wonder about two things 1) poly main even with cream ... elbow? 2) how well will v work as cross ... will smooth cream on v snapback and stay straight?

I don't want anything to do with that velocity shredding @Traffic 's kid did.

I think V would last a lot longer for you in your V1Pro for 3 reasons:
1) It's not a spin effect racquet
2) you are not a spin effect player
3) Cream is smooth poly while HyperG is square shaped

HG abused OGSM more than Cyclone did. I think my son could play Cyclone/OGSM for over a month. HG would probably last about 3-4weeks. Best playability would have left after 2 weeks.

I think you mentioned you rather liked the feel of Cream better than V. So Cream/V might be a really good hybrid to try out.
I'm going to give OGSM/V another hitting session soon. I have a pickup tennis match Sat morning. There is one opponent that is better than me that I'd like to put some serious pressure on; so I'll need VS/Cream for that. But I'm willing to test out OGSM/V against any of the other players and see how that goes. Especially now that I understand the potential differences of the setup, I can make adjustments and even revert back to VS/Cream if needed.

 

[ByeByePoly]

I think V would last a lot longer for you in your V1Pro for 3 reasons:
1) It's not a spin effect racquet
2) you are not a spin effect player
3) Cream is smooth poly while HyperG is square shaped

HG abused OGSM more than Cyclone did. I think my son could play Cyclone/OGSM for over a month. HG would probably last about 3-4weeks. Best playability would have left after 2 weeks.

I think you mentioned you rather liked the feel of Cream better than V. So Cream/V might be a really good hybrid to try out.
I'm going to give OGSM/V another hitting session soon. I have a pickup tennis match Sat morning. There is one opponent that is better than me that I'd like to put some serious pressure on; so I'll need VS/Cream for that. But I'm willing to test out OGSM/V against any of the other players and see how that goes. Especially now that I understand the potential differences of the setup, I can make adjustments and even revert back to VS/Cream if needed.

Hey man ... I can spin. I have decided next stop is @392Hemi velocity 52/cream 50. I want to check it side by side with tonic/cream ... and compare it to fb velocity. Maybe cream/velocity later ... depending.

Yes ... I did love the feel of Cream when hit in the middle. That said ... Velocity is starting to feel great settled @45ish. I was hitting my FH cleaner and harder Tues (best I have hit it this year) ... and it felt great. I just think Velocity is one of those strings that requires decent rhs. I found the same thing with ppc. Right before I cut it out, I had a good fh session with the ball machine, and string felt great when hit on the screws.

 

[Traffic]

Hey man ... I can spin.

Me too. But SPIN is a vital component of my son's game. In fact, he has very little flat shots. Topspin or backspin on nearly every shot. He only hits flat shots when he's just rallying. In a match, he plays it safe and puts tons of spin on the ball to keep it in play.

 

[392Hemi]

Hey man ... I can spin. I have decided next stop is @392Hemi velocity 52/cream 50. I want to check it side by side with tonic/cream ... and compare it to fb velocity. Maybe cream/velocity later ... depending.

Yes ... I did love the feel of Cream when hit in the middle. That said ... Velocity is starting to feel great settled @45ish. I was hitting my FH cleaner and harder Tues (best I have hit it this year) ... and it felt great. I just think Velocity is one of those strings that requires decent rhs. I found the same thing with ppc. Right before I cut it out, I had a good fh session with the ball machine, and string felt great when hit on the screws.

Yes I am currently playing V @54/ Cream @48 in my #1 racquet. I just strung Hyper G @50/Cream @47 in my new #2. If my arm is happy with the setup in #2 my next try will be a full bed of Hyper G. If the HG/Cream setup is uncomfortable then I will try HG/Velocity. Also interested to try full Cream, more out of curiosity but I think it was you (@ByeByePoly) who said it had great feel

 

[ByeByePoly]

Yes I am currently playing V @54/ Cream @48 in my #1 racquet. I just strung Hyper G @50/Cream @47 in my new #2. If my arm is happy with the setup in #2 my next try will be a full bed of Hyper G. If the HG/Cream setup is uncomfortable then I will try HG/Velocity. Also interested to try full Cream, more out of curiosity but I think it was you (@ByeByePoly) who said it had great feel

ByeByeHemiHand ... look forward to your review. My guess is we both have to keep some nylon in the mix. @markwillplay was more arm sensitive then me ... and fb ppc good ... fb Cream no likey.

 

[Muppet]

I think V would last a lot longer for you in your V1Pro for 3 reasons:
1) It's not a spin effect racquet
2) you are not a spin effect player
3) Cream is smooth poly while HyperG is square shaped

HG abused OGSM more than Cyclone did. I think my son could play Cyclone/OGSM for over a month. HG would probably last about 3-4weeks. Best playability would have left after 2 weeks.

I think you mentioned you rather liked the feel of Cream better than V. So Cream/V might be a really good hybrid to try out.
I'm going to give OGSM/V another hitting session soon. I have a pickup tennis match Sat morning. There is one opponent that is better than me that I'd like to put some serious pressure on; so I'll need VS/Cream for that. But I'm willing to test out OGSM/V against any of the other players and see how that goes. Especially now that I understand the potential differences of the setup, I can make adjustments and even revert back to VS/Cream if needed.

What I'm finding is that the cross strings affect the feel at the handle much more than the main strings do. So BBP would probably like Velocity/Cream. And having the poly in the crosses should be better for spin as well. Probably not as good for durability. 2 out of 3.

 

[Simon_the_furry]

I'm gonna try out Isospeed Cream in the mains, Gosen OG Sheep Micro in the crosses, I think.
Unless someone else has a better idea.

 

[TennisBoysCousin]

I'm gonna try out Isospeed Cream in the mains, Gosen OG Sheep Micro in the crosses, I think.
Unless someone else has a better idea.

What about the reverse, ogsm mains/cream crosses? I've thought about this combo, but never tried. My theory is the ogsm would slide across cream cross for strait strings, also adding some nice feel. Atleast that's the theory.

 

[Simon_the_furry]

What about the reverse, ogsm mains/cream crosses? I've thought about this combo, but never tried. My theory is the ogsm would slide across cream cross for strait strings, also adding some nice feel. Atleast that's the theory.

I dunno, I don't want to give up the spin.

 

[ByeByePoly]

I'm gonna try out Isospeed Cream in the mains, Gosen OG Sheep Micro in the crosses, I think.
Unless someone else has a better idea.

This question is for everyone:

Have you played FB Cream? There may be some "over-thinking" going on unless you have arm/elbow issues. FB Cream fit me perfectly, I only picked FB Velocity over it because it played very close to fb Cream control, and I figure nylon is better TE insurance first year post-TE than poly. If this wasn't my first summer back after TE, and/if I strung for myself ... I would be playing FB Cream @50-52. I liked it that much.

I just throw that out there for anyone that hadn't tried FB Cream. It might be the best first baseline test. You can feel "some" poly for sure ... but 178 stiffness is syn gut range. Since I don't break strings very fast, and I don't string myself ... I hope for 4+ weeks out of a string. Even though Cream is "poly light" ... I'm not sure if Cream is elbow safe (for me) at 4 weeks. I know FB Velocity is ... I proved it. It's possible I start next spring with FB Cream, given my elbow an entire season to fully heal. It might be already fully healed ... who knows.

 

[Traffic]

I'm gonna try out Isospeed Cream in the mains, Gosen OG Sheep Micro in the crosses, I think.
Unless someone else has a better idea.

I tried that. If you like playing with full sgut but hate moving your strings back straight after every rally or you'd like just a touch more spin, this is pretty good.

What about the reverse, ogsm mains/cream crosses? I've thought about this combo, but never tried. My theory is the ogsm would slide across cream cross for strait strings, also adding some nice feel. Atleast that's the theory.

This would be a fun combo to try out. I just got done short term testing OGSM/Velocity. And in the end, I liked it. Not as much as gut/poly. But the next best thing for me. With OGSM/Cream, I would anticipate the combo feeling a touch more crisp but still have the tamed power, no moving strings back into position, and a bit more spin that fb sgut.

 

[392Hemi]

ByeByeHemiHand ... look forward to your review. My guess is we both have to keep some nylon in the mix. @markwillplay was more arm sensitive then me ... and fb ppc good ... fb Cream no likey.

Coming back to this, I think you are right. I restrung my HG/C to full HG and it is very hit and miss (pun intended). The sweet spot is smaller but when I hit it just right it is... sweeter, but my wrist objects to too many outside the sweet spot (ouch)

Given that Cream seems to be some sort of poly/multi/nylon blend (it frays slightly) I will consider this as my "... some nylon in the mix". I have to concede that fb HG is not a well suited string to me and performance fell off very quickly in a HG/C hybrid (but might try it again).

I have Firewire and Silverstring coming this week. Will try them in a hybrid and also Firewire/C. I'm also strangely curious to go back to basics and maybe retry some Volkl Syngut and/or OGSM.

I have not tried Cream as a main in any hybrid or fullbed, but for me it is the cross to beat, specifically in a V/C hybrid

 

[Simon_the_furry]

I tried that. If you like playing with full sgut but hate moving your strings back straight after every rally or you'd like just a touch more spin, this is pretty good.

What racquet did you try it in? I have to make it work for my Yonex.

 

[Traffic]

What racquet did you try it in? I have to make it work for my Yonex.

Volkl SG V1Pro.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Coming back to this, I think you are right. I restrung my HG/C to full HG and it is very hit and miss (pun intended). The sweet spot is smaller but when I hit it just right it is... sweeter, but my wrist objects to too many outside the sweet spot (ouch)

Given that Cream seems to be some sort of poly/multi/nylon blend (it frays slightly) I will consider this as my "... some nylon in the mix". I have to concede that fb HG is not a well suited string to me and performance fell off very quickly in a HG/C hybrid (but might try it again).

I have Firewire and Silverstring coming this week. Will try them in a hybrid and also Firewire/C. I'm also strangely curious to go back to basics and maybe retry some Volkl Syngut and/or OGSM.

I have not tried Cream as a main in any hybrid or fullbed, but for me it is the cross to beat, specifically in a V/C hybrid

I had not considered Cream ... "some nylon in the mix" ... but I like the way you lie to yourself. But yes ... to me using Cream as a cross could keep some in the stiff poly main game that couldn't otherwise. It is an excellent cross with gut. I think some might pick a lower powered poly than Cream to tame the gut even more, but it was perfect for me @50. I did not get warning with the TE ... so if a string whispers to me "ouch" ... it's the same thing as yelling at me with a megaphone right next to my ear.

I just played two sets of singles with fb Velocity (RT 49ish) and by the second set I felt like Norm in Cheers hugging the beer vat. Honey ... I'm home. Unfortunately I really don't trust my calf yet ... so I was moving like Norm also.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Volkl SG V1Pro.

How's the night sweats?

 

[ByeByePoly]

Coming back to this, I think you are right. I restrung my HG/C to full HG and it is very hit and miss (pun intended). The sweet spot is smaller but when I hit it just right it is... sweeter, but my wrist objects to too many outside the sweet spot (ouch)

Given that Cream seems to be some sort of poly/multi/nylon blend (it frays slightly) I will consider this as my "... some nylon in the mix". I have to concede that fb HG is not a well suited string to me and performance fell off very quickly in a HG/C hybrid (but might try it again).

I have Firewire and Silverstring coming this week. Will try them in a hybrid and also Firewire/C. I'm also strangely curious to go back to basics and maybe retry some Volkl Syngut and/or OGSM.

I have not tried Cream as a main in any hybrid or fullbed, but for me it is the cross to beat, specifically in a V/C hybrid

Judging by this forum ... the sheep has been a go to cross for poly mains forever. Why wouldn't one use cream instead of the sheep? Cream 178 ... sheep 16 g 183. Cream as a cross is $4-5 per stringing.

 

[392Hemi]

I had not considered Cream ... "some nylon in the mix" ... but I like the way you lie to yourself. But yes ... to me using Cream as a cross could keep some in the stiff poly main game that couldn't otherwise. It is an excellent cross with gut. I think some might pick a lower powered poly than Cream to tame the gut even more, but it was perfect for me @50. I did not get warning with the TE ... so if a string whispers to me "ouch" ... it's the same thing as yelling at me with a megaphone right next to my ear.

I just played two sets of singles with fb Velocity (RT 49ish) and by the second set I felt like Norm in Cheers hugging the beer vat. Honey ... I'm home. Unfortunately I really don't trust my calf yet ... so I was moving like Norm also.

See I just don't get RT... Not 5 minutes ago I finished restringing my V/C racquet and measuring w/ RT:

Set of Velocity 1.30 weighs 19g 19g/12m = 1.58 string factor
Set of Cream 1.28 weighs 22g 22g/12m = 1.83 string factor

As a hybrid RT calls it a string factor of 1.66.. seems reasonably in the middle range

But strung at 52/48, RT says it is 63#

Going to do my other racquet later this afternoon with Firewire/Cream at ~50/48 or maybe even 48/46

 

[Traffic]

Judging by this forum ... the sheep has been a go to cross for poly mains forever. Why wouldn't one use cream instead of the sheep? Cream 178 ... sheep 16 g 183. Cream as a cross is $4-5 per stringing.

Sheep has always been used as a cross because it's cheap and holds tension and is pretty durable. Don't think there is too much to it than that.

The upside to Cream seems to be slicker as a cross for possibly better spin potention.
The downside would be that it's still a poly or at least closer to poly than nylon. So it will eventually go dead.

 

[392Hemi]

Judging by this forum ... the sheep has been a go to cross for poly mains forever. Why wouldn't one use cream instead of the sheep? Cream 178 ... sheep 16 g 183. Cream as a cross is $4-5 per stringing.

Are you asking me "why?", or a rhetorical question? If the former, then the answer might simply be $2 less per string job

 

[Traffic]

See I just don't get RT... Not 5 minutes ago I finished restringing my V/C racquet and measuring w/ RT:

Set of Velocity 1.30 weighs 19g 19g/12m = 1.58 string factor
Set of Cream 1.28 weighs 22g 22g/12m = 1.83 string factor

As a hybrid RT calls it a string factor of 1.66.. seems reasonably in the middle range

But strung at 52/48, RT says it is 63#

Going to do my other racquet later this afternoon with Firewire/Cream at ~50/48 or maybe even 48/46

re-stringing marathon? Ha, we just got back from vacation (@ByeByePoly I couldn't fall asleep last night because no a/c) and my son restrung his PS97LS with fb HyperG18 and I re-strung my V1P with Legend/Cream. I can see by the notching on my son's other racquet, he'll be stringing again very shortly with another tournament coming up this weekend.

 

[392Hemi]

re-stringing marathon? Ha, we just got back from vacation (@ByeByePoly I couldn't fall asleep last night because no a/c) and my son restrung his PS97LS with fb HyperG18 and I re-strung my V1P with Legend/Cream. I can see by the notching on my son's other racquet, he'll be stringing again very shortly with another tournament coming up this weekend.

I did a fb of HG18 over the weekend. I LOVE it for serves and the feel on a good solid hit but overall like forgiving nature of V/C better. So the HG18 is going to the great plastic dump in the sky as soon as the mail truck gets here with my Firewire

 

[ByeByePoly]

Sheep has always been used as a cross because it's cheap and holds tension and is pretty durable. Don't think there is too much to it than that.

The upside to Cream seems to be slicker as a cross for possibly better spin potention.
The downside would be that it's still a poly or at least closer to poly than nylon. So it will eventually go dead.

I wonder if Cream goes dead. I didn't play long enough to find out, but my guess is as a cross you would never notice any dead-ness

 

[ByeByePoly]

Are you asking me "why?", or a rhetorical question? If the former, then the answer might simply be $2 less per string job

I just type ... I like to hear myself type. OK ... for those not $2 sensitive, my guess is Cream is a better cross than sheep.

 

[Traffic]

I just type ... I like to hear myself type. OK ... for those not $2 sensitive, my guess is Cream is a better cross than sheep.

Well, stringing the crosses with sheep is way easier than with Cream. Velocity is easier yet. I think your stringer should charge you less for stringing fb Velocity as that's gotta be the easiest stringjob. Very easy on the fingers as the strings are very flexible and also slide effortlessly against itself.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Well, stringing the crosses with sheep is way easier than with Cream. Velocity is easier yet. I think your stringer should charge you less for stringing fb Velocity as that's gotta be the easiest stringjob. Very easy on the fingers as the strings are very flexible and also slide effortlessly against itself.

Can you ask him for the V discount for me ... I'm afraid of my stringer.

 

[Muppet]

OGSM vs. Cream cross string

Easy. OGSM is more crisp. Nylon-based strings feel much different than poly strings. OGSM is close to the crisp end of synthetic guts. And the cross strings provide most of the feel to the handle. This is because the cross strings travel through the frame closer to the handle than the mains do. But Cream will give more spin potential.

And the kind of comfort that a syngut provides is different than that of a poly. Syngut is more elastic and will pocket or deflect more. By and large poly is usually pretty slick and will deflect sideways more, but will not break the plane as much as a nylon-based string. That is how it can feel soft and muted even though there is still hidden shock going to your arm.

 

[esgee48]

I did a fb of HG18 over the weekend. I LOVE it for serves and the feel on a good solid hit but overall like forgiving nature of V/C better. So the HG18 is going to the great plastic dump in the sky as soon as the mail truck gets here with my Firewire

Don't dump it! Re gift it to @Traffic

 

[markwillplay]

too many threads about this string for me to follow now so I suppose I will post here. I have three POG OS strung the following way:
1= cream cross syngut mains both about syngut 60, cream 55 (have not hit with it yet)
2= cream mains syngut cross both about 55lbs (I like it)
3= fb velocity 65lbs

I also have hit with full bed of cream about 52 lbs

I really like the full bed. It was great with spin and comfortable enough I think. The complete opposite of full bed of velocity strung tighter (need to to keep control in the big stick). I am going to play next with the cream crosses stick until it breaks. I wanted to experiment with the cream crosses and my volkl syngut to feel the difference but I am betting the syngut will break quickly. I always break mains first so cream in the mains makes the most sense to me. I bought enough to experiment. I will report back down the road when I can get a good perspective.

I will say that if velocity would last and not move so much (after using it a while) I would probably go fb of that. It is very comfy and I do not find it too powerful.

 

[392Hemi]

too many threads about this string for me to follow now so I suppose I will post here. I have three POG OS strung the following way:
1= cream cross syngut mains both about syngut 60, cream 55 (have not hit with it yet)
2= cream mains syngut cross both about 55lbs (I like it)
3= fb velocity 65lbs

I also have hit with full bed of cream about 52 lbs

I really like the full bed. It was great with spin and comfortable enough I think. The complete opposite of full bed of velocity strung tighter (need to to keep control in the big stick). I am going to play next with the cream crosses stick until it breaks. I wanted to experiment with the cream crosses and my volkl syngut to feel the difference but I am betting the syngut will break quickly. I always break mains first so cream in the mains makes the most sense to me. I bought enough to experiment. I will report back down the road when I can get a good perspective.

I will say that if velocity would last and not move so much (after using it a while) I would probably go fb of that. It is very comfy and I do not find it too powerful.

If you're not liking the fb Velocity at high tension, then cut it out... and try Velocity/Cream. I've found it to be a great setup in a Prince TW100 at 52-54/48. Maybe in the larger head give it a go at 56/52+-

 

[markwillplay]

I did not say I did not like it. I do like velocity at that tension. I am searching for more longevity. The 16/19 pattern in the POG is pretty open and I break multis and synguts quickly in it. It will be interesting to see how long my fb of velocity lasts though. So far I have 3 sets with it. Maybe I will just keep playing with that frame until that bed breaks. Either way, I will keep up with exactly how long it lasts for me.

 

[Traffic]

Don't dump it! Re gift it to @Traffic

I'm at a cross-roads in string purchase. Do I keep placing orders for 3-4 packs at a time or do I bite the bullet and buy a reel. My boy is going to be playing daily very shortly. He'll need to re-string every 1.5 weeks.

 

[Traffic]

I will say that if velocity would last and not move so much (after using it a while) I would probably go fb of that. It is very comfy and I do not find it too powerful.

One thing that many of us have experienced is even though the strings move out of place, it surprisingly continues to play very consistently. I was having some issues playing and I started to blame the strings. They were all out of place and not snapping back and I was noticing moderate notching. Well, I re-strung my racquet and when I played it again, it played the same. Or at least not any significantly different. So you literally can play it until it breaks.

 

[ByeByePoly]

too many threads about this string for me to follow now so I suppose I will post here. I have three POG OS strung the following way:
1= cream cross syngut mains both about syngut 60, cream 55 (have not hit with it yet)
2= cream mains syngut cross both about 55lbs (I like it)
3= fb velocity 65lbs

I also have hit with full bed of cream about 52 lbs

I really like the full bed. It was great with spin and comfortable enough I think. The complete opposite of full bed of velocity strung tighter (need to to keep control in the big stick). I am going to play next with the cream crosses stick until it breaks. I wanted to experiment with the cream crosses and my volkl syngut to feel the difference but I am betting the syngut will break quickly. I always break mains first so cream in the mains makes the most sense to me. I bought enough to experiment. I will report back down the road when I can get a good perspective.

I will say that if velocity would last and not move so much (after using it a while) I would probably go fb of that. It is very comfy and I do not find it too powerful.

65? Whoa. I guess based on your comments before, you figure your 65 on your dw stringer comes out about 60ish on a LO? I will say this ... fb V @55 in my 100 sq in felt pretty stiff, and I did not get much string movement. The good news is you already like the play of V at the tighter tension... feel and touch will only get better if you drop the tension. It's pretty surprising isn't it, for a multi.

 

[markwillplay]

You are right. And 60 in a POG OS is not all that stiff for a string that is not a ply. I will string one lower next time I get velocity to see how it plays at a lower tension. How much does it move at lower tensions? I am finding that the less movement from cream definitely makes me happy. If either combo of volkl syngut and cream works, I will be good to go. I imagine the syngut in mains will break quickly but I will play it out to see.

 

[392Hemi]

I did not say I did not like it. I do like velocity at that tension. I am searching for more longevity. The 16/19 pattern in the POG is pretty open and I break multis and synguts quickly in it. It will be interesting to see how long my fb of velocity lasts though. So far I have 3 sets with it. Maybe I will just keep playing with that frame until that bed breaks. Either way, I will keep up with exactly how long it lasts for me.

My misunderstanding then. I read, "I really like the full bed. It was great with spin and comfortable enough I think. The complete opposite of full bed of velocity strung tighter" and took "The complete opposite..." to mean you didn't like it.

I think most of us have found Velocity to be pretty durable. Let us know if you find the same