Best Cushioning for Hard Courts
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Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
Diadora Speed Blushield Torneo Men's Shoes | Tennis Warehouse
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Great shoes, comfortable and very cushioned.
Winners or Errors
Legend
Rabbit, how's the fit? Seems like Diadora's all run a little wide.Diadora Speed Blushield Torneo Men's Shoes | Tennis Warehouse
Great shoes, comfortable and very cushioned.
They are a little wide but less so than the BS5s were
Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
@Winners or Errors, I agree with @FloridaAG. My foot runs a little wider than normal, but not so much as to warrant a EE. You can remedy the situation with Throrlo socks. I also have after market insoles in mine and they fit great.
stapletonj
Hall of Fame
personal fave for max cushioing is the Asics Gel resolution...
golden chicken
Hall of Fame
Happy to report my KSwiss Hypercourt Express 2 have midsoles that feel like my running shoes. I find them more comfortable than the Ultrashots. Firm, but cushioned.
finalfantasy7
Semi-Pro
i bought these - https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/shoe_reviews/yonex_power_cushion_eclipsion_3.html - these are really well cushioned, have amazing grip - however so uch grip you cannot slide with these.
The Yonex Power Cushion Eclipsion 4 have been out for few months, however no review on tennis warehouse, but the thread on talktennis - users say the 4's are better in every department to the 3's
The Yonex Power Cushion Eclipsion 4 have been out for few months, however no review on tennis warehouse, but the thread on talktennis - users say the 4's are better in every department to the 3's
Ryanblessed
Semi-Pro
+1 on Lotto Raptor, and no break-in time!
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Diadora Speed Blushield Torneo Men's Shoes | Tennis Warehouse
Great shoes, comfortable and very cushioned.
What has the truly best cushioning technology out there in tennis shoe in terms of comfort and energy return ?? Yonex powercushion ? Mizuno Enerzy cushioning ? Adidas Lightstrike ? Nike air zoom ?
tennisintheeighties
Semi-Pro
I was using the speed FF2, and feeling sore after 2 hours hitting
Now playing with the resolution9, it's like day and night, they are fantastic !
stapletonj
Hall of Fame
I have kinda bony ankles that stick out. It apparently derailed my male modeling career, like my poor choice of overgrip has kept me out of the Grand Slam tourney draws....
I tried the Yonex shoes once and had to send them back after about 5 minutes of wear because the sides came up so far they dug into my ankles.
Anybody else experience this with Yonex or other shoes?
I tried the Yonex shoes once and had to send them back after about 5 minutes of wear because the sides came up so far they dug into my ankles.
Anybody else experience this with Yonex or other shoes?
tennislover2
New User
I felt Yonex eclipsion 3 were pretty narrow for my typical size. Half a size up in that model was too long. The eclipsion 4 fits very well at half a size up (length and width).
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
100%
Can play back-to-backs in these shoes, haven't found anything else that will let me do that.
pavo26
New User
Has anyone tried the new Mizuno wave Enforce Tour? Would love to hear how cushioned they are compared to what is currently available? I’m a ball of foot striker so would love any feedback on that when it comes to cushioning. I tried the Nike Zoom NXT, but ripped through two pair of the eyelets on those shoes.
movdqa
Talk Tennis Guru
This is the New Balance Fresh Foam More v3 and it has a 38 mm stack height. It's a running shoe though. The running world already has super-cushioned shoes with stack heights of up to 1.8 inches. I think that the tennis world will eventually get these kinds of shoes for recreational players. The New Balance Fresh Foam LAV v2, for comparison, has a stack height of 30 mm, which is still pretty good. The downside of all of this cushioning, though, is increased weight.
LOBALOT
Hall of Fame
This is the New Balance Fresh Foam More v3 and it has a 38 mm stack height. It's a running shoe though. The running world already has super-cushioned shoes with stack heights of up to 1.8 inches. I think that the tennis world will eventually get these kinds of shoes for recreational players. The New Balance Fresh Foam LAV v2, for comparison, has a stack height of 30 mm, which is still pretty good. The downside of all of this cushioning, though, is increased weight.
And also decreased lateral stability leading to ankle rolls. Runners run straight ahead. Tennis players run laterally and plant and head back the other direction. You can't do that in a running shoe or a shoe that you sit that high in.
movdqa
Talk Tennis Guru
These shoes have a really wide base. Runners don't just run straight ahead. There are trail versions of these shoes too and they have a lot more protection - high sidewalls, heel and toe protection as well.
LOBALOT
Hall of Fame
These shoes have a really wide base. Runners don't just run straight ahead. There are trail versions of these shoes too and they have a lot more protection - high sidewalls, heel and toe protection as well.
Trail shoes are different but again you still ride too high in them. Think of it like swing weight. Each cm you shift your center of mass up is a big change in the balance point and that cannot be made up by adding that additional width unless you are talking frying pan shoes and still your ankles are the weak point when the shoe plants you are more vulnerable the higher you are in the shoe.
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movdqa
Talk Tennis Guru
Have you tried them?
The Fresh Foam LAV v2 is 30 mm stack height and 30 mm would have been considered a max cushioned running shoe about 6 years ago. Now max cushioned shoes are 40 mm and even higher and daily trainers are 33-36 mm.
I'm well aware of physics but a lot of recreational players aren't putting the stresses on shoes that ATP players are. I expect to see more experimentation with bigger stack heights in tennis in the future. I had a chat about the issue with one of the TW employees and she mentioned there there is one such women's shoe out there now.
LOBALOT
Hall of Fame
Thanks I didn't mean to imply you didn't understand the physics.
I have not tried them but really don't plan to. I disagree as I have seen many an issue with rolled ankles in amateur players on the court. Tennis shoes are low to the ground for a reason and advancement will have to come through materials and not making them pooffy and taller.
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movdqa
Talk Tennis Guru
We already have higher stack heights in tennis shoes as we saw in running shoes.
The trend did take a long time. Hoka started in the 1990s, and Nike joined them around 2010. It's become mainstream in the past 5 years.
We've even seen this in basketball where there are similar stresses to tennis. The Lebron 17 has 38 mm of stack height:
LOBALOT
Hall of Fame
We already have higher stack heights in tennis shoes as we saw in running shoes.
The trend did take a long time. Hoka started in the 1990s, and Nike joined them around 2010. It's become mainstream in the past 5 years.
We've even seen this in basketball where there are similar stresses to tennis. The Lebron 17 has 38 mm of stack height:
I agree basketball is very similar stresses to tennis so what is the height of this shoe as to me they look very low it is just the supports that make it look high?
If you follow the curvature of the shoe the foot is actually sitting low within the sole which cups the foot. This shoe rides low for a reason.
I don't see the same height in this shoe that I see in the running shoe you posted earlier which has a much higher ride.
SupahMan5000
Hall of Fame
I have some Hoka Kahas for hiking and they are quite high stack height. On technical trails it’s a bit of nightmare navigating that shoe
Looked it up. 32mm in heel
Looked it up. 32mm in heel
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Delouie9154
New User
Standing at 190cm at 90KG, I have to go away from the speed shoes, always felt beat up after a match in Vapor Pros or Mizuno Exceed tours 5. My foot size sits between a D and 2E.
Right now I am rotating through my supportive cushioned shoes at the moment:
New Balance Lav v2 = comfy, clunky until broken in. To me very plush until about the 2 week mark. Comfort is not as plush but you still get some good shock absorption.
Lacoste LT 21 Ultra = Feels like a medium plush Medium Firm shoe. Reminds me of the Adidas Barricade V with slightly more shock absorption in the forefoot.
Nike GP turbos = These are by the far the best shoes I have ever worn in terms of bottom foot comfort. Fits a little narrow for ne, I get some rubbing on my big toes, but nothing a little tape to prevent blisters.
Shoes that I have not worn but review well in terms of shock absorption:
Mizuno Wave Enforce = People say this could rival the GP turbos, but I have yet to try it. On my List!
Diadora BlueShield = many reviews claim this to be insanely comfy. On par with the GP turbos for some folks.
I think the entire forum can agree - GP turbos are literally the best comfort high support shoes. Women's sizing only on the Nike/TW site. Nike being Nike and keeping legendary shoes in only 1 gender sometimes. I.e. Breathe free II or GP turbos
Right now I am rotating through my supportive cushioned shoes at the moment:
New Balance Lav v2 = comfy, clunky until broken in. To me very plush until about the 2 week mark. Comfort is not as plush but you still get some good shock absorption.
Lacoste LT 21 Ultra = Feels like a medium plush Medium Firm shoe. Reminds me of the Adidas Barricade V with slightly more shock absorption in the forefoot.
Nike GP turbos = These are by the far the best shoes I have ever worn in terms of bottom foot comfort. Fits a little narrow for ne, I get some rubbing on my big toes, but nothing a little tape to prevent blisters.
Shoes that I have not worn but review well in terms of shock absorption:
Mizuno Wave Enforce = People say this could rival the GP turbos, but I have yet to try it. On my List!
Diadora BlueShield = many reviews claim this to be insanely comfy. On par with the GP turbos for some folks.
I think the entire forum can agree - GP turbos are literally the best comfort high support shoes. Women's sizing only on the Nike/TW site. Nike being Nike and keeping legendary shoes in only 1 gender sometimes. I.e. Breathe free II or GP turbos
SupahMan5000
Hall of Fame
same here. used to be able to wear lighter shoes but not feeling so confident and supported on the court nowadays.
did you like 21 ultra? the 23 im enjoying a lot. they are on the lighter spectrum for my tastes but still enough heft to keep me confident
Delouie9154
New User
Im considering the 21 Ultras to be my go to for matches now. They are supportive, got some weight, but do not feel heavy. The most important part is after playing for 3+ hours in these, I do not have joint soreness. Only thing I dont like is the lacing system, sometimes it comes loose after a few hours of hitting. When I slide, it chews it up. I have to really tape it up or I will lose a shoe lace. See the screenshot below:
SupahMan5000
Hall of Fame
I chew up shoelaces sliding on all shoes to be fair. I have to do a tire rotation type activity when I see them tearing up.Im considering the 21 Ultras to be my go to for matches now. They are supportive, got some weight, but do not feel heavy. The most important part is after playing for 3+ hours in these, I do not have joint soreness.Only thing I dont like is the lacing system, sometimes it comes loose after a few hours of hitting. When I slide, it chews it up. I have to really tape it up or I will lose a shoe lace. See the screenshot below
I went up a half size in GP turbos and use a runner's knot.
Delouie9154
New User
Yeah - I wish they had 13.5 US SIZE. I hate how after 13, it’s all full sizes. I feel like my right foot is a 13 while my left foot is a 13.25.
so I always toe jam on my left foot. Many nails have been lost haha
LOBALOT
Hall of Fame
My son does that with his shoes.... In a couple weeks the collar is all ripped out from sliding and he snaps a pair of shoelaces in the first set and needs to replace them between sets. It is nuts.
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SupahMan5000
Hall of Fame
I only slide on my dominant foot so I got more shoelace to work with. I will reverse the order of the lace on the left shoe and then swap right shoelace onto left shoe and then reverse order again. Essentially get 4 chances before they’re done for. Thankfully I’ve worn the shoe out by then
LOBALOT
Hall of Fame
We order laces in his school color and do it by the 100 count!
kvan
Semi-Pro
Has your son tried tucking the loose part of the laces under the laces in the tongue? That helps me a ton when trying to prevent lace fraying.
LOBALOT
Hall of Fame
Good suggestion but believe it or not they spread at the eyelets... His college team plays this weekend so I will try to snap a picture of his shoe and post it.
You will get a laugh as it is unbelievable how he destroys his shoes so quickly and with it the eyelets and the laces.
Delouie9154
New User
This is my issue too! The laces get thrashed at the eyelets. Hence why I use so much tape to shield it. Would rather do this than replace shoe laces as I can just keep playing without potential stoppage.
