Best English speakers on tour (besides native speakers)

ABCD

Hall of Fame
Djokovic speaks excellent English; for non-native speaker who did not live in English-speaking country he is more than excellent. I also find contents of his speeches thoughtful and very clever.
 

BlueB

Legend
You don’t have to speak the language fluently yourself to know that the other speaker is not fluent/excellent.
Maybe, but in that case the opinion bears very little weight, to public.
Anyways, you ducked the questions.

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skaj

Hall of Fame
Maybe, but in that case the opinion bears very little weight, to public.
Anyways, you ducked the questions.

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In which case?

The point of your questions I presumed was related to what I wrote in my last post. I am not here to talk about myself.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Europeans are impressive with their language skills. They usually speak more than one compared to Americans. Also interesting is that Federer speaks English more with an American accent than the British being from Europe. Maybe it's influence from his mom being from SA and not sounding cockney.
 

BlueB

Legend
In which case?

The point of your questions I presumed was related to what I wrote in my last post. I am not here to talk about myself.
In the case of not being fluent and still passing an opinon. Thus the questions about your language skills/background.
Being a native speaker, a professional translator, a professor, having a degree, or at least fluent, bears more weight then just "Oh, I don't speak/understand that language well, but doesn't sound quite right to me..."

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Mainad

Bionic Poster
Europeans are impressive with their language skills. They usually speak more than one compared to Americans. Also interesting is that Federer speaks English more with an American accent than the British being from Europe. Maybe it's influence from his mom being from SA and not sounding cockney.
Well I'm British and I certainly don't sound cockney!!! :p
 
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skaj

Hall of Fame
In the case of not being fluent and still passing an opinon. Thus the questions about your language skills/background.
Being a native speaker, a professional translator, a professor, having a degree, or at least fluent, bears more weight then just "Oh, I don't speak/understand that language well, but doesn't sound quite right to me..."

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Exactly, so I presumed right and gave you a suitable answer.
Btw I have no idea who you are quoting there, it's not me that's for sure :)
 
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Raiden

Hall of Fame
Europeans are impressive with their language skills. They usually speak more than one compared to Americans. Also interesting is that Federer speaks English more with an American accent than the British being from Europe. Maybe it's influence from his mom being from SA and not sounding cockney.
Dude, almost every human being on the planet speaks in an accent closer to American than British English as a second language despite the fact that (here in Europe for example) the English we get in schools is indeed "officially" British and not American.
 
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BlueB

Legend
Exactly, so I presumed right and gave you a suitable answer.
Btw I have no idea who you are quoting there, it's not me that's for sure :)
It's not a quote (I would have done it in the real forum quotes), just how your position could be interpreted ;)
But no worries, you don't have to tell us more about yourself then you would like and you are entitled to an opinion.

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BlueB

Legend
Dude, almost every human being on the planet speaks in an accent closer to Amercian than British Englsish as a second languge despite the fact that (here in Europe for example) the English we get in schools is indeed "officially" British and not American.
I agree. Last summer I laughed and also got irritated, with an ad on Serbian TV. It was for a private English school that follows Oxford curriculum. Insted of hiring a real British person to read it, they had a local, yet obviously completely fluent person, to do it in British accent. It sounded extremely fake and pretentious, while it could have been just fine in her normal half-american accent.

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Old Gregg

Rookie
Europeans are impressive with their language skills. They usually speak more than one compared to Americans. Also interesting is that Federer speaks English more with an American accent than the British being from Europe. Maybe it's influence from his mom being from SA and not sounding cockney.
It's because of American tv and movies.
 

skaj

Hall of Fame
It's not a quote (I would have done it in the real forum quotes), just how your position could be interpreted ;)
But no worries, you don't have to tell us more about yourself then you would like and you are entitled to an opinion.

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It was a joke, therefore the smiley, at a same time an answer to your question. To be more clear, your quote / potential interpretation I understand but it would be just an interpretation, and a wrong one. I will give an example for what I wrote - someone's Serbo-Croat/English/French/Chinese/whatever could be not excellent but still good enough to detect errors in other person's text/speech, good enough to know that the other person is not excellent either.

As for (not)talking about myself, instead of focusing on posts people in this forum tend to focus on posters, and I am a bit sick of that I must say(I don't mean you in this thread, as much as I'm speaking in general).
 

skaj

Hall of Fame
I agree. Last summer I laughed and also got irritated, with an ad on Serbian TV. It was for a private English school that follows Oxford curriculum. Insted of hiring a real British person to read it, they had a local, yet obviously completely fluent person, to do it in British accent. It sounded extremely fake and pretentious, while it could have been just fine in her normal half-american accent.

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But why do you think she has a "normal half-american accent" or that she normally speaks with half-american accent?
 

skaj

Hall of Fame
Dude, almost every human being on the planet speaks in an accent closer to Amercian than British Englsish as a second languge despite the fact that (here in Europe for example) the English we get in schools is indeed "officially" British and not American.
This is a bit exaggerated, at least in my experience, but yes many people are heavily influenced by North American English despite of what they learn in school. It has to do with the fact that most mainstream films, tv shows etc. are coming from the US.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
It's because of American tv and movies.
In south Europe they dub movies.
Reason why Rafa doesn’t speak good English like the others is because he never needed to. He was coached in Spanish and lived where he grew up all this time. That’s rare for a tennis player.
In north Europe we speak better English as we don’t dub movies and we are sort of more international than Italy, Spain and France. They aren’t so interested in learning English. While in Scandinavia you can easily find kids and really old people speaking English too. Here we start learning other languages from 6 year old. It’s not like that south Europe.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
In south Europe they dub movies.
Reason why Rafa doesn’t speak good English like the others is because he never needed to. He was coached in Spanish and lived where he grew up all this time. That’s rare for a tennis player.
In north Europe we speak better English as we don’t dub movies and we are sort of more international than Italy, Spain and France. They aren’t so interested in learning English. While in Scandinavia you can easily find kids and really old people speaking English too. Here we start learning other languages from 6 year old. It’s not like that south Europe.
And on the Tour, Rafa has been surrounded by Catalan- and Spanish-speaking people, because there has always been lots of players from Spain on the Tour and his team speaks the Mallorcan variety of Catalan.
 
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EllieK

Professional
Federer's mother may be South African and he did speak English as a child, but if you go back to interviews in the earlier part of his career (pony tail and just after) he spoke English with much more of a German accent and pronounced a few words incorrectly. He still has trouble with the "th" sound sometimes
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
And on the Tour, Rafa has been surrounded by Catalan- and Spanish-speaking people, because there has always been lots of players from Spain on the Tour and his team speaks the Mallorcan variety of Catalan.
From what I have seen when I lived in Wimbledon, the Spanish teams and players always hanging out together. Sometimes also w S American teams and players. Met F Lopez in a wine bar where he was out with his own team and parts of Rafas. Also seen Verdasco and Rafa going to eat at this tapas place in Chelsea. The Spaniards seem like a one big family.
Other Europeans often not train only in their own country if they are talented, in fact many of them trains in Spain.
 
In south Europe they dub movies.
Reason why Rafa doesn’t speak good English like the others is because he never needed to. He was coached in Spanish and lived where he grew up all this time. That’s rare for a tennis player.
In north Europe we speak better English as we don’t dub movies and we are sort of more international than Italy, Spain and France. They aren’t so interested in learning English. While in Scandinavia you can easily find kids and really old people speaking English too. Here we start learning other languages from 6 year old. It’s not like that south Europe.
So, do most of the Scandinavians know english well?!!
Dennish, Finnish, Swidish, Norwegian everyone?
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
Most native Catalan speakers are bilingual and taught Spanish from a very young age. Being able to speak both is not that great of an accomplishment
Being able to speak English, when a person has lived in an English-speaking country/area or has spoken it at home from a very young age or has had to learn it to communicate with people outside his/her relatively small ethnic group, is not that great of an accomplishment.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
That's almost like prising Djoković for being fluent in Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin

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Wikipedia: ¤¤ Catalan language is a Western Romance language named after the medieval Principality of Catalonia, in northeastern modern Spain. It is the only official language of Andorra, and a co-official language of the Spanish autonomous communities of Catalonia, the Balearic Islands [Mallorca is the largest of the islands] and Valencia.
During much of its history, and especially during the Francoist dictatorship (1939–1975), the Catalan language was ridiculed as a mere dialect of Spanish. This view, based on political and ideological considerations, has no linguistic validity. Spanish and Catalan have important differences in their sound systems, lexicon, and grammatical features, placing the language in features closer to Occitan (and French). ¤¤

 

BlueB

Legend
Mutually intelligible languages:

"Spanish: Astur-Leonese and Galician(high),[26] Portuguese (high in written form; asymmetrically in spoken form), Extremaduran, Catalan, and Italian(partially),[30][41][25] Ladino (very high in written form; partially in spoken form"

Some other sources give the lexical similarity at 85%.

Castelan Spanish is mandatory in all Spanish schools.
Nadal went through school in Castelan Spanish:
"The Balearic Islands took more time to make language immersion effective. A decree enacted in 1997 established that Catalan must be used in at least 50% of lessons. Schools have freedom to add more lessons, and usually they do."

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skaj

Hall of Fame
That's almost like prising Djoković for being fluent in Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin

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So, are you saying that Spanish and Catalan are the same language? Cause Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin are.
 

BlueB

Legend
So, are you saying that Spanish and Catalan are the same language? Cause Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin are.
It was more tongue in cheek, I said "almost" somwhere there...
On the other hand, 85% similarity is really close between Catalan and Spanish, while the crooked politicians in the Balkans are artificially making the languages drift appart. But of course, there's only Serbo-Croatian language in reality.

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octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
It was more tongue in cheek, I said "almost" somwhere there...
On the other hand, 85% similarity is really close between Catalan and Spanish, while the crooked politicians in the Balkans are artificially making the languages drift appart. But of course, there's only Serbo-Croatian language in reality.

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The lexical similarity between French and Italian is 89 %. According to your logic, French and Italian are the same language. o_O

 

skaj

Hall of Fame
It was more tongue in cheek, I said "almost" somwhere there...
On the other hand, 85% similarity is really close between Catalan and Spanish, while the crooked politicians in the Balkans are artificially making the languages drift appart. But of course, there's only Serbo-Croatian language in reality.

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But it's not even almost the same, those are two different languages while Serbo-Croat, as you said yourself, is one language.
 

BlueB

Legend
The lexical similarity between French and Italian is 89 %. According to your logic, French and Italian are the same language. o_O

Actually, I never claimed that Catalan and Castelan are the same, just similar and that Rafa went to school in Castelan.
I jokingly (and somewhat bitterly, for reasons other the you/Rafa) suggested that Serbo-Croatian dialects are forced into separate languages by politicians.

Interesting percentage with Italian and French, I'd never thought it would be that colse... Mind you, even with my very poor French, I can do very basic communication in "made up Italian". When we were there, 2 years ago, my kid asked me how come I spoke Italian
Anyhow, I always found Spanish and Italian more resambling each other than French...

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BlueB

Legend
But it's not even almost the same, those are two different languages while Serbo-Croat, as you said yourself, is one language.
"Almost the same" was for crediting Rafa for being fluent in Castelan and Catalan would be "almost the same" as crediting Nole for 4 Balcan "languages".

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