Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by callitout, Aug 6, 2004.
My votes for top 5"
I thougt Coria has great footwork. He move around the court effortlessly, much more so than Nalbandian with his spare tire belly.
Footwork is different than quickness, and though Coria has good footwork, most of what makes him look so great is how quick he is and how well he slides.
Not to mention that Nalbandian still has good footwork, even though some other things (endurance, qucikness/speed) may be hurt by his reported weight gain.
My votes would be pretty similar to yours, calli, I might switch out Arazi.
Hewitt, Coria and Federer spring straight to mind.
Hewitt and Federer.
Federer, hands down...no argument at all.
Hewitt has speed which most times, goes with good footwork.
But it's the fact that you can notice Hewitt's speed that shows he's not minimizing his footsteps to get from point A to point B.
Contrast that to Federer who almost NEVER looks like he's scrambling in a point. It's really amazing in which most (if not all) former No. 1s have great footwork in common.
On a tangent, Federer seems really overrated in the groundstrokes category on this board. Federer's fh and bh seem great because he's able to hit his "A level" shots most of the time because of his ability to get to each shot (great footwork) and his anticipation to allow it to enter his strike zone.
His strokes, in itself, aren't that special when you compare it to other pros' "A level" shots.
Bandy is very efficient and gets to a lot of balls for a fat guy.
The seperation between #1 and #2 is huge though
Definitely gotta admit to Federer having amazing footwork. Really amazing footwork, and I believe that's a huge factor in how great he is in just about all other areas of his game.
I agree with much of what mlee2 said. I think Federer's strokes are great, but I also feel it's more like he's an excellent model of how to manipulate your opponent's pace to find a shot that really works. At least in most cases, and particularly at the baseline. However, I love seeing his swinging volleys as well as his volleys because they are examples of when Federer comes in and really puts the stuff on the ball. And naturally, when Federer attacks the sitters, he's showing that he's great at creating the pace he wants with the great amount of spin he wants. But strictly from the baseline, the guy is just simply getting to the ball perfectly and manipulating the pace of the opponent almost flawlessly--imo. BLAH... his strokes are still amazing. But I guess I should just say: HIS FOOTWORK IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST REASON HE HITS AMAZING SHOTS (but he still hits some amazing shots when he's off balance or on his back foot... should I just call that talent & athleticism?)
This is a bit of a tangent, but I respectfully disagree with mlee2 regarding federer's forehand.
I've seen a fair number of world #1s and GS winners and finalists play live, and to me, Roger's forehand was by far the most impressive - when he goes for that A-shot.
Whilst Roger's footwork may allow him to hit an A-shot more often, it is NOT true that that he actually goes for it more often than most players. On the contrary, that is what is so amazing about him. When really he needs it, he has an extra gear. He beats most guys hitting mostly safer shots. He's like Sampras in that respect. Just when somebody thinks they're outplaying him . . .POW! . . . most days he steps it up a gear.
I'm not a "Federer worshipper", nor a "Roddick hater", but these two are the obvious comparable.
Andy has an enormous (A-shot) forehand, but unlike Roger, Andy attempts to unleash it at almost every opportunity. (As a result, it is more predictable than Roger's.) So, if you compare the average FH from Roger to the average FH from say Andy, then Andy and some other pros may seem to possess greater FH weapons. However, to extrapolate that observation to "Roger's 'A-shot' FH is not so hot" would be a huge mistake, in my opinion.
I do not necessarily disagree with mlee2 on some of Roger's other shots, but I feel strongly that Roger's forehand is an exception.
federer for sure, coria only looks good on clay
2. Agassi (on a good day)
I'm the exact heighth and weight as Nalbandian and no one thinks I'm fat. Guess I'm not a pro tho. They should be held to higher standards.
I see your point concerning Federer's forhand. His excellent footwork definitely makes his shot-making that much better. However, if you've seen those BBC slow-motion videos of Federer's forehand compared to other players on the tour. It's interesting to note his faster racket speed and the range of motion on the forehand stroke. His forehand stroke is like a slingshot...the way he whips it. Guys like Hewitt, Safin, Roddick....they don't have that range of motion. I think this allows Federer to mask a lot of his shots. It's difficult to guage where he's going to hit it.
Concerning Footwork: I think Federer is hands-down the best. JC Ferrero, when healthy, also has terrific footwork.
It's difficult to separate footwork from the forehand because they are all intertwined. In fact, there are many factors that make his forehand great.
1. fitness - when I get tired my footwork suffers and consequently my groundstrokes suffer.
2. stance, grip, flexibility his open stance and semi-western FH grip allow him to disguise his FH. almost every FH has topspin.
3. movement/footwork. it's the key to his whole game and the best in the whole game. What is underlooked is that while he has awesome footwork, he moves with perfect posture. His head stays still while he's getting in position to the follow-through. As mary carillo says - "he moves a like a dancer". I think she's talking less about grace and more about carriage.
I guess my point is that just cause you have awesome footwork it does not mean you will have an awesome forehand, there are just so many other factors.
Absolute best: Federer
Absolute worst: Gimelstob
For the guy that said Fed's groundstrokes were overrated, thats a joke. Fed has the best forehand on tour and one of the top 3 one handed backhands on tour (if not THE best).
If one is able to set up on every single ball it is possible to unleash on every ball and still look effortless.
I always say: 95% of tennis is footwork. Other 95% is mental
Hey Mon did I miss something? 2x95% is 190%. That more than I have to give mon .
Oh and Roddick have great footwork too. Except maybe not so good at the net but at the back MON can he run everything down.
Running everything down is NOT great footwork.
Its just speed, and while Roddick does get to many balls, so do a lot of other players, and his speed is nothing outstanding. Unlike players like Coria, Hewitt, Chang, and yes Federer, who are lightning quick.
Footwork is a lot about getting out of the way of the ball too, not just getting to the ball. Its about taking smaller and smaller steps as you get close to the hit point. Staying in balance. And so on and so forth. Entire books can and have been written on the subject
Yeah, you missed the joke.
Of course, it adds up to more than 100%, but it is meant to emphasize how important footwork and mental strength are.
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