best inside game in Nba history?

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Of course,the Celtics with that unbelievable 85/87 foursome
Late 80 Pistons had the only comparable foursome
Lakers come close with Worthy,Lucas,MC Adoo and Jabbar
And next two teams

1990 Spurs with Duncan and Robinson
the Walton and Lucas show at Portland

76' rs could be there with Barkley and Malone,but their careers never overlapsed long enough..What a great sorrow..May be the biggest sorrow in NBA history
To close it up, honourable mentions also to Mahorn&Ruland and Houston twin towers
 
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Wilt's amazing. Never fouled out of a game.

...had to stop playing defense when he got five fouls, but wow. What an achievement.
 
Of course,the Celtics with that unbelievable 85/87 foursome
Late 80 Pistons had the only comparable foursome
Lakers come close with Worthy,Lucas,MC Adoo and Jabbar
And next two teams

1990 Spurs with Duncan and Robinson
the Walton and Lucas show at Portland

76' rs could be there with Barkley and Malone,but their careers never overlapsed long enough..What a great sorrow..May be the biggest sorrow in NBA history
To close it up, honourable mentions also to Mahorn&Ruland and Houston twin towers

Before Duncan, there was none. After Duncan, there will be no ''another'', full stop!
 
Before Duncan, there was none. After Duncan, there will be no ''another'', full stop!

Duncan is OK

But his problem is he played a very weak era.

I mean, would he be playing at his age against a day in day out pownding vs the likes of Lucas,Mc Hale,Cummings,Barkley,Rodman,Karl The Mailman? c´mon, be serious.We all expert posters know the real answer...at least those who followed the game from 1980...

His numbers would lower dramatically.And he owes so much to the admiral...

That said, he is a great player, probably the only real inside player deserving respect from the older generation who watched, day in day out, those inside battles that young fans have ever missed...
 
I know. Anyone who can claim Wilt is the GOAT must be unfamiliar with Russell.


And people claiming wilt or Russell must be unfamiliar with Jordan

Also lol at whoever said Duncan had weak competition or played in a weak era. So prime shaq prime kg prime dirk mailman etc are weak? Lold hard
 
I know. Anyone who can claim Wilt is the GOAT must be unfamiliar with Russell.

Yeah, maybe the greatest deffensive center of all time

and people are just attracted to Chamberlin because he slept with many *****es...

( not that he was not an extraordinary offensive basketball machine, but when it mattered, he bowed to B.R)
 
Russell owned him when titles were at stake.Never ever forget this
I know. Anyone who can claim Wilt is the GOAT must be unfamiliar with Russell.


But on the other hand if Chamberlain was the Celtics center, they wouldn't have lost a game..The game was too easy for Wilt and they had to CHANGE THE RULES because the NBA feared he was way to good..Championships in a team sport like basketball don't make a player greater than another.
 
I was always a big fan of the great 80´s centers, when playing the position was an art and we had like 10 all time greats playing that position.It made you salivate at the very next duel be it Olajuwon vs Ewing or Parish vs Malone

But my weakness has always been Bill Walton.In the very few seasons he played his best ( so usually injuried), I don´t think I have seen anybody play the position the way he did.Some other were more physichal or consistent, but when I was a kid, I just wanted to be a center like him

Pure, golden class.Even Larry Byrd couldn´t believe his eyes when Walton joined his team and played the position for some stellar games ( and Byrd had teammates like Mc Hale and Parish who are among the best).Olajuwon has never played a center like him and he has faced the very best.He just couldn´t get through, and Akeem is one of the greatest ever at the position
 
I was always a big fan of the great 80´s centers, when playing the position was an art and we had like 10 all time greats playing that position.It made you salivate at the very next duel be it Olajuwon vs Ewing or Parish vs Malone

But my weakness has always been Bill Walton.In the very few seasons he played his best ( so usually injuried), I don´t think I have seen anybody play the position the way he did.Some other were more physichal or consistent, but when I was a kid, I just wanted to be a center like him

Pure, golden class.Even Larry Byrd couldn´t believe his eyes when Walton joined his team and played the position for some stellar games ( and Byrd had teammates like Mc Hale and Parish who are among the best).Olajuwon has never played a center like him and he has faced the very best.He just couldn´t get through, and Akeem is one of the greatest ever at the position
Walton dominated college and was great on NBA championship teams for Portland and Boston..He could pass, rebound, score and block shots..He was also a great foul shooter (rare for a big man)..He had a very high basketball IQ.. too bad he had injuries..He was the Sandy Koufax of basketball.
 
Walton dominated college and was great on NBA championship teams for Portland and Boston..He could pass, rebound, score and block shots..He was also a great foul shooter (rare for a big man)..He had a very high basketball IQ.. too bad he had injuries..He was the Sandy Koufax of basketball.
Indeed he was
Or the Lew Hoad of hoops
 
And people claiming wilt or Russell must be unfamiliar with Jordan

Also lol at whoever said Duncan had weak competition or played in a weak era. So prime shaq prime kg prime dirk mailman etc are weak? Lold hard

I never claimed Russell was. Just that he has a much better case than Wilt.
 

I know. Anyone who can claim Wilt is the GOAT must be unfamiliar with Russell.


But on the other hand if Chamberlain was the Celtics center, they wouldn't have lost a game..The game was too easy for Wilt and they had to CHANGE THE RULES because the NBA feared he was way to good..Championships in a team sport like basketball don't make a player greater than another.

They both had plenty of talented players around them. Russell made his teammates better. Wilt alienated his. I think Boston homers like Bill Simmons overrate Russell in an era with approximately half the teams there are today, but I really fail to see how anyone can make the argument of Wilt over Russell. He was a tremendously talented box-score machine, but he was a poor teammate. Jordan, the consensus GOAT, was a bad teammate early on too, but he learned how to let his talents accentuate his team rather than stagnate it. Wilt never learned this. In any case, as far as centers go, I think KAJ has a better case than both.
 
85-86 Celts....Parish, McHale, Bird, Walton off the bench....best team ever, I think.


As for Wilt....Wilt is a GOAT candidate, but he shrank in the playoffs, played against a bunch of 6'7 centers and his raw stats are slightly deceiving -- he played in a faster-paced era where possessions were burned like firewood -- there were more points and rebounds to go around, because there were more possessions. Wilt is regarded as the GOAT rebounder, which he very well may have been, but he ACTUALLY collected a smaller % of his teams rebounds than Dennis Rodman did, for example. How can that be? Well, there were more rebounds to go around, because there were more possessions (and also more missed shots).

Wilt also famously declined in the playoffs. 30.1 PPG in the regular season, 22.5 in the post season, and 18.6 specifically in the finals. That drop-off has spawned a lot of internet memes, lol.

Whereas Jordan upped the ante, consistently: 30.1 PPG in the post season, 33.4 in the playoffs and 34.0 in the finals, with 6 finals MVPS to boot (compared to an equivalent of 2 for Wilt). Can't go wrong with that.

Contrary to popular belief, Wilt played with a who's who of great players; Baylor, West, Goodrich, Cunningham, Hal Greer, Chet Walker, Paul Arizin... I'll take Russ's supporting cast, but the gap wasn't chasmal.

I would take MJ, Magic, KAJ, Bird, Russ and Duncan over Wilt. Wilt is in that next tier with Shaq, Kobe LeBron, Oscar and West IMO. I have him #7.
 
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85-86 Celts....Parish, McHale, Bird, Walton off the bench....best team ever, I think.


As for Wilt....Wilt is a GOAT candidate, but he shrank in the playoffs, played against a bunch of 6'7 centers and his raw stats are slightly deceiving -- he played in a faster-paced era where possessions were burned like firewood -- there were more points and rebounds to go around, because there were more possessions. Wilt is regarded as the GOAT rebounder, which he very well may have been, but he ACTUALLY collected a smaller % of his teams rebounds than Dennis Rodman did, for example. How can that be? Well, there were more rebounds to go around, because there were more possessions (and also more missed shots).

Wilt also famously declined in the playoffs. 30.1 PPG in the regular season, 22.5 in the post season, and 18.6 specifically in the finals. That drop-off has spawned a lot of internet memes, lol.

Whereas Jordan upped the ante, consistently: 30.1 PPG in the post season, 33.4 in the playoffs and 34.0 in the finals, with 6 finals MVPS to boot (compared to an equivalent of 2 for Wilt). Can't go wrong with that.

Contrary to popular belief, Wilt played with a who's who of great players; Baylor, West, Goodrich, Cunningham, Hal Greer, Chet Walker, Paul Arizin... I'll take Russ's supporting cast, but the gap wasn't chasmal.

I would take MJ, Magic, KAJ, Bird, Russ and Duncan over Wilt. Wilt is in that next tier with Shaq, Kobe LeBron, Oscar and West IMO. I have him #7.

Yes, back in the day, having a FG% in the mid 40s was considered excellent. :lol:

Many more opportunities to pick up rebounds back then.
 
Yes, back in the day, having a FG% in the mid 40s was considered excellent. :lol:

Many more opportunities to pick up rebounds back then.

Definitely.

The faster pace was probably an even bigger factor though...fast breaks were incredibly common back then. If you were to calculate their per/100 possessions stats, their raw totals would look a lot less gaudy.
 
Duncan is OK

But his problem is he played a very weak era.

I mean, would he be playing at his age against a day in day out pownding vs the likes of Lucas,Mc Hale,Cummings,Barkley,Rodman,Karl The Mailman? c´mon, be serious
.We all expert posters know the real answer...at least those who followed the game from 1980...

His numbers would lower dramatically.And he owes so much to the admiral...

That said, he is a great player, probably the only real inside player deserving respect from the older generation who watched, day in day out, those inside battles that young fans have ever missed...

Au contraire, I would claim that The Admiral owes much of his accolades to the Big Fundamental. D-Rob was ringless before Duncan joined those late-90's Spurs. And Timmy was the one who took home the finals MVP in his second year, not Robinson.

There are a ton of reasons he has been so longevous. Pop has managed his minutes masterfully. I guess he clued in that it would probably be an astute move to limit his superstar's minutes in the regular season when 50+ wins are already guaranteed. Last years Spurs were the first team in NBA history to not have even one player average 30 MPG.

More importantly, Dunc is one of the hardest working players of all time. You can attribute his long career to a relentless work ethic. If Robert Parish could play about 18 years at a high level, going against a slew of big body centers/stud big men, why couldn't Duncan? Remember that he got the better of Shaq multiple times in the playoffs, most notably in '03 when he anchored a team that DESTROYED the Lakers in the latter half of the WCSF. I believe they won the last two games by an average of 30 points. Those were the 3-time defending champs. He then went on to have one of the greatest finals I have ever witnessed -- 25/18/5 with 4 blocks, and a near QUADRUPLE DOUBLE in the series clinching game.

His style of play and ability to acclimate is often overlooked. After a mid-career knee injury, did you know that Duncan actually CHANGED his running stride? That's some next-level stuff. He plays in such an efficient, minimalist way. No wasted motion. This is similar to Fed playing top-notch tennis into his 30's because of how he ends points quickly with his attacking game. TD blocks shots by tipping them to his teammates rather than foolishly swatting them into the third row, a la Dwight Howard. His defensive positioning on the low block is flawless. Metrics such as Defensive Win Shares, RAPM and Defensive Rating rate him as the best or second best defender of his era, DESPITE not relying on brute force to be the disruptive defender that he is. On the offensive end, he employs a bundle of low-post moves, including a neat baby hook over both shoulders. He's effective from mid-range, is a willing passer, and doesn't try to force the issue. He gets his points while playing within the flow of the offense.

Basically, he has a young mans skills and an old mans game. And lastly, when all is unwinding, he has his INSANE length to fall back on. Duncan has never relied on dynamic athleticism to succeed -- but a big reason why time is kinder to skilled big men than skilled 2-guards (well, duh), is that once a perimeter players skills start to erode, they don't have a leg to stand on. Duncan isn't an awe-inspiring athlete, but his 7'6 wingspan is ridiculous. The correlation between physical length/size and longevity is very underrated. Why do you think Kareem won a finals MVP's 14 years apart? NOBODY could ever block his skyhook. Duncan has never had to worry about getting a clean look, and as a rim-protector his verticality is a huge asset.





..............bottom line, a "weak era" doesn't begin to explain it. Duncan's long career is laudable, and not even remotely due to luck or lack of opposition. Duncan roasted prime Shaq in '03, consistently out-performed Garnett at his apex, won finals MVP playing against the best peak defender of his era, Ben Wallace, on arguably the best defensive team ever, those grizzled mid-2000s Pistons teams. He then maimed the LeBron-led Cavs in 2007, and made first-team all-NBA at 37 over Dwight Howard. Yao Ming? Outplayed him in their h2h. Chris Webber? Ditto. Nowitzki? Beat him 4 out of 6 times in the playoffs, posting much better stats. One of the times his team lost to the Mavs, it was because Ginobili committed what will go down as the most bone-headed foul in postseason history. And, needless to say, Duncan bested Nowitzki in the regular season too.
Malone? Interesting that you bring him up, because in the Mailmans second MVP year, his team flamed out in the second round. Malone folded in the playoffs. He was still in his prime, and it was only Duncan's second year. Who went on the championship that year? That's right, the Spurs. Duncan averaged 28/14/2.5 with 2.2 blocks and 1.2 steals, on 54% shooting from the field and 79% from the line. Was the unanimous finals MVP.



AND his odometer includes a legendary four year stint at Wake Forrest, three as an all-American. Duncan was close to being a finished product at 19 -- YET he opted to stay in college instead of getting an early start to pad his stats. Impressive or what? Duncan hit his stride early, and in a move so diametrically opposed to what you would expect, waited an additional three years to join the pro ranks. Try to comprehend that for a second; Tim Duncan has been an NBA-caliber superstar since he was 19 years old. He's 38 now.

Heck, when he was 16, he played NBA vet Alonzo Mourning (MVP candidate in his prime) to a draw in a game of 1-on-1.


No, there is no truth to the "weak era" smear. Duncan's longevity is nothing short of INCREDIBLE.
 
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I never noticed Jordan playing inside

Not that he couldn´t...

I grew up with M.J. One of my favourites as a kid. He could play from anywhere on the court, much like LeBron today. Jordan was a great finisher at the rim, a great slasher. His first step was the best I have ever seen. And he operated a lot in the pinch post. His post game was so polished, as was his entire repertoire. Reggie Miller opined that Jordan was so hard to guard because he combined the speed of a guard with the strength of a 3 or 4. Very tough to push around. And he constantly added new wrinkles to his game as his hops were diminishing.
 
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I grew up with M.J. One of my favourites as a kid. He could play from anywhere on the court, much like LeBron today. Jordan was a great finisher at the rim, a great slasher. His first step was the best I have ever seen. And he operated a lot in the pinch post. His post game was so polished, as was his entire repertoire. Reggie Miller opined that Jordan was so hard to guard because he combined the speed of a guard with the strength of a 3 or 4. Very tough to push around. And he constantly added new wrinkles to his game as his hops were diminishing.

Agree 100%. Jordan, particularly in the second threepeat era, was a monster in the post. Best post game of any guard I've ever seen, of any 3 I've ever seen even. He may not have gotten to the rim as much in his 30s, but his fade away jumper was almost as lethal.

^^Also agree about Duncan and Robinson. I thought I'd posted something about that, but maybe I just forgot to. They were roughly equal judging by PER in '99, but after that, it was Duncan's team without question, and Robinson can thank the masterful tank job for that.
 
Agree 100%. Jordan, particularly in the second threepeat era, was a monster in the post. Best post game of any guard I've ever seen, of any 3 I've ever seen even. He may not have gotten to the rim as much in his 30s, but his fade away jumper was almost as lethal.

Yep. Pity Jordan gets a lot of flak for his lack of a 3pt shot by some of the yougins today. If he would have worked on it it would have been a killer shot, too.

Before the '92 finals reporters were desperately trying to make Jordan/Drexler a valid comparison. For narratives sake, one can surmise. And they were harping on Drex's alleged superiority shooting the long ball.

Well, this was brought to Jordan's attention by a gaggle of reporters and Michael quipped, "Clyde is a better three point shooter than I CHOOSE to be".

On the surface he didnt seem too perturbed, after all he was the game's premier player. But Jordan was legendary for taking everything as a slight, even perusing the newspapers in an effort to find a disparaging remark uttered by an opponent or writer, and that lit a fire under his belly. He then put on the greatest long-range shooting display in finals history; 6 treys in the first half of game 1, and the immortal " shrug".


^^Also agree about Duncan and Robinson. I thought I'd posted something about that, but maybe I just forgot to. They were roughly equal judging by PER in '99, but after that, it was Duncan's team without question, and Robinson can thank the masterful tank job for that

Haha, oh the tank job. Pop was convinced the Celtics or some other team were going to end up with the number 1 pick that year. He was in the draft lunch room when the number 1 pick was being announced, because of how sure he was that the Spurs weren't gonna get it. When he found out it fell into the Spurs lap, he dropped his sandwich in shock, and was rushed by the press seconds after hearing about it. A couple of teams asked him if he would trade down for a lower pick. Yeah, lets just say he didn't give it much consideration.

The two were an awesome duo. The tandem of Rob and Dunc hid the fact that Timmy was/is only a nominal Power Forward. They were BOTH Centers. Bball Ref can vouch for me on that one, if you look at the year-to-year position estimates.

going by PER they were close, but PER is measured on a per-minute basis, and Duncan averaged about 6 more minutes a game in '99. In the playoffs it wasn't even close -- TD threw up a 24/12 compared to 15/10 for D-Rob.

It is a shame that Robinson suited up a whopping 3 years after he was drafted. He, like Duncan, was an NBA-ready superstar from a very early age. In his rookie year he spearheaded what was then the greatest single-season turnaround in NBA history, when he helped the Spurs win 56 games. They won 21 the year before.

If he played more years at a high level and if he if had a couple better showings in the playoffs, he would have been a top 10 player and might have been better than Duncan if that was the case. Win Shares rates him as the second best ever on a per/48 basis. Of course this is partly because of his relatively short career, as it is a rate stat, but still. PER has him 4th, and Wins Produced has him in the top 6-7 I believe. One of his shortcomings was the absence of 'the clutch gene'. This was most noticeable in his battles with the Rockets. Hakeem destroyed him in the '95 playoffs, his MVP year.

Just from a skills standpoint, he was as good as it got. Anthony Davis is being hailed as a 'revolutionary' player, but a young Robinson was everything Davis is today, only more so. He could shoot from the mid range, crash the offensive boards, run the floor, dominate inside, pass, and was among the leaders in steals and blocks every year, a rarity. He was also a superior defender. Davis has better handles and more range, but isnt as good a passer or athlete. I have never seen a more athletic big man than David Robinson.


(or, for that matter, a 7 footer with a more chiseled physique. He was 7'1 and probably had 4% body fat in his prime. Otherworldly athlete/specimen. It's like the guy was created in a laboratory.)
 
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In 1985 everybody was just salivating at what Sampson and Olajuwom could do together if focused and unselfish.Two modern era players that changed the 4-5 combination.Credit should be given to them because it was their combined talent that took Houston to the finals
 
85-86 Celts....Parish, McHale, Bird, Walton off the bench....best team ever, I think.


As for Wilt....Wilt is a GOAT candidate, but he shrank in the playoffs, played against a bunch of 6'7 centers and his raw stats are slightly deceiving -- he played in a faster-paced era where possessions were burned like firewood -- there were more points and rebounds to go around, because there were more possessions. Wilt is regarded as the GOAT rebounder, which he very well may have been, but he ACTUALLY collected a smaller % of his teams rebounds than Dennis Rodman did, for example. How can that be? Well, there were more rebounds to go around, because there were more possessions (and also more missed shots).

Wilt also famously declined in the playoffs. 30.1 PPG in the regular season, 22.5 in the post season, and 18.6 specifically in the finals. That drop-off has spawned a lot of internet memes, lol.

Whereas Jordan upped the ante, consistently: 30.1 PPG in the post season, 33.4 in the playoffs and 34.0 in the finals, with 6 finals MVPS to boot (compared to an equivalent of 2 for Wilt). Can't go wrong with that.

Contrary to popular belief, Wilt played with a who's who of great players; Baylor, West, Goodrich, Cunningham, Hal Greer, Chet Walker, Paul Arizin... I'll take Russ's supporting cast, but the gap wasn't chasmal.

I would take MJ, Magic, KAJ, Bird, Russ and Duncan over Wilt. Wilt is in that next tier with Shaq, Kobe LeBron, Oscar and West IMO. I have him #7.

Don´t denigrate the great backcourt game of Dennis Johnson and Danny Ainge , two very competitive players, who ranked very high among the guards of that era, both solid clutch players and tremendous at defense.

Sichting was OK as a substitute replacement, Wedman was a very good bench forward, who played good defense and was a very good shooter.Excellent back up team.
 
Us, Sixers magic fans were salivating at the idea of a Barkley/Mo combo aided by the best sixth man of the NBA and Mark Iavaroni.Later on, Bob Mc Adoo signed a temporary contract.

Now, can you imagine a better combination than Barkley/Mc Adoo/Malone for inside-outside moves?
 
Dr J and Mo simply did ther job, day in day out

Mo Cheeks,Toney , Bobby and Mark DELIVERIED BIG TIME

And here is the foundation of the Sixers Magic

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Not to turn this thread into something else, but...

'96 Bulls or '86 Celtics?

I'm going Bulls, here. I might be a tad biased given my geographic affiliation and fandom of the team, but - really. No other team has accomplished 70 wins, let alone 72. Their point differential is absurd, and are one of, if not the only, team to rank first in most offensive and defensive categories.

You have (almost in-arguably) the GOAT in Jordan, who may not have had the hops he did in the 80s and early 90s, but could still score on you at will with a better mid-range, long-range, and post game. He also may have won DPOY approx. 10 years earlier, but I think he was even better at this point. You have Pippen, who could also efficiently score and was arguably even better on defense than Jordan (and even with a DPOY, Jordan is frankly underrated on the defensive end - that tells you something). You have Rodman, who was basically Moses Malone without the scoring prowess, and a great defender in his own right. Ron Harper, who couldn't score at will like he did before his injury, but (seeing a pattern, here?) turned himself into a terrific defensive player...and you had Toni Kukoc, who could have been a starter on 85-90% of the teams in the league...mostly coming off the bench.

I get the '86 Celtics worship with their HOF cast, but let's be honest, here; Bird (and Magic, for that matter) were never top tier defenders. That's not to say there weren't weak links in the Bulls (i.e. Longley), but I feel that the greatest player ever, and another guy who is top 5 at his position, still in their primes, with the entire team from 1-5 playing excellent defense, is extremely hard to argue against.
 
Yeah, maybe the greatest deffensive center of all time

and people are just attracted to Chamberlin because he slept with many *****es...

( not that he was not an extraordinary offensive basketball machine, but when it mattered, he bowed to B.R)

Let's not underestimate Wilt here. For offensive inside game I'm not sure anyone beats Wilt. If we're talking inside game for a team the 1966-67 76ers were pretty great with Wilt, Chet Walker and Luke Jackson. However overall I would pick the 1985-86 Celtics with Parish (sub is Bill Walton), McHale and Bird. That's about as tough a front line as there ever was.

Wilt used to still play playground basketball against NBA players in the mid 1980's after he retired and I understand he smashed them.
 
Not to turn this thread into something else, but...

'96 Bulls or '86 Celtics?

I'm going Bulls, here. I might be a tad biased given my geographic affiliation and fandom of the team, but - really. No other team has accomplished 70 wins, let alone 72. Their point differential is absurd, and are one of, if not the only, team to rank first in most offensive and defensive categories.

You have (almost in-arguably) the GOAT in Jordan, who may not have had the hops he did in the 80s and early 90s, but could still score on you at will with a better mid-range, long-range, and post game. He also may have won DPOY approx. 10 years earlier, but I think he was even better at this point. You have Pippen, who could also efficiently score and was arguably even better on defense than Jordan (and even with a DPOY, Jordan is frankly underrated on the defensive end - that tells you something). You have Rodman, who was basically Moses Malone without the scoring prowess, and a great defender in his own right. Ron Harper, who couldn't score at will like he did before his injury, but (seeing a pattern, here?) turned himself into a terrific defensive player...and you had Toni Kukoc, who could have been a starter on 85-90% of the teams in the league...mostly coming off the bench.

I get the '86 Celtics worship with their HOF cast, but let's be honest, here; Bird (and Magic, for that matter) were never top tier defenders. That's not to say there weren't weak links in the Bulls (i.e. Longley), but I feel that the greatest player ever, and another guy who is top 5 at his position, still in their primes, with the entire team from 1-5 playing excellent defense, is extremely hard to argue against.

Very close between the two. The Celtic bench also had to be taken into consideration with Walton, who I believe was the best all around center ever.
 
Very close between the two. The Celtic bench also had to be taken into consideration with Walton, who I believe was the best all around center ever.

I think Walton is pretty overrated as far as all-time centers go (I think KAJ and Olajuwon, at their best, were way ahead of him) but yes, he was a terrific talent. However, he was injury ridden and in his mid-30s by the time of that Celtics team. A great bench edition, sure, but people only see his name and think "WOW, TEAM OF THE CENTURY!"

Although the '86 Celtics are waaaay better than that, it's a bit reminiscent of the '04 (?) Lakers with Karl Malone and Gary Payton, two stars clearly past their prime but a team that was getting preseason accolades of the most complete of all-time simply because of the names on the roster, not of the current playing capacity of its members.
 
I think Walton is pretty overrated as far as all-time centers go (I think KAJ and Olajuwon, at their best, were way ahead of him) but yes, he was a terrific talent. However, he was injury ridden and in his mid-30s by the time of that Celtics team. A great bench edition, sure, but people only see his name and think "WOW, TEAM OF THE CENTURY!"

Although the '86 Celtics are waaaay better than that, it's a bit reminiscent of the '04 (?) Lakers with Karl Malone and Gary Payton, two stars clearly past their prime but a team that was getting preseason accolades of the most complete of all-time simply because of the names on the roster, not of the current playing capacity of its members.
Imo Walton at his best in the 76-77 season and most of 77-78 was the most complete center in history. He was a better defender and rebounder than Kareem imo, had an incredible outlet pass and was a superior passer. Kareem of course was superior offensively as he would be to virtually any player that lived. That sky hook was perhaps the most unstoppable shot in history. However remember that Walton was the MVP of the 77-78 season.

Now most complete doesn't necessarily mean the best. Jabbar may very well be, along with Russell, Chamberlain the greatest center in history. However I do think Walton contributed a lot as a sub to the 1985-1986 Celtics. And Kareem was a very complete player also.

The Bulls of that era had of course Jordan, imo a bit past his best at age 32 but still superman, Pippen, a very underrated superstar who was great on offense and defense, Rodman, arguable the greatest rebounder of all time and a super defender who could stop anyone. Kukoc was a super offensive shooter and the centers were solid enough. Guys like Rodman, Pippen and Jordan provided incredible defense. Steve Kerr could shot the lights out also.

Both were super teams. I would give the edge to the Celtic front line of Bird, McHale and Parish who were at or close to their primes. Jordan alone give the Bulls an edge at guard. Let's not forget Dennis Johnson at guard for the Celtics who was a great player.

What matchups! Jordan is unstoppable but so is Bird. Pippen is great but so is McHale on the inside. Would Dennis Johnson slow down Jordan a little? Can Pippen slow down Bird? Can Bird stop Pippen?

The Celtics had a 67-15 record and the Bulls had a 72-10 record.

How would the 1986-1987 Lakers do against both? Jabbar, well past his best but still terrific, Magic, James Worthy, Byron Scott, Cooper, Green. Tough matchup problems there also.

The Isiah Thomas Pistons were pretty awesome too.

Incidentally the 1966-67 76ers with Wilt were named the top NBA team of the first 50 years. Their inside game was fabulous. And I haven't even mentioned the Bill Russell Celtics and the 1971-1972 Lakers with West, Goodrich and Wilt. Almost any team with Wilt had at worst a terrific inside game.

One minor note, for all the talk about Jordan, Basketball Reference has Kareem's 1971-1972 season as perhaps the greatest season in NBA history. Both Jabbar and Jordan were, according to Basketball Reference the best player in the league nine times.
 
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By '96 Jordan may have been past his offensive best, but defensively I believe he was better than ever. I hate the axiom of "defense wins championships" but when you have an offense and defense as good as those Bulls had, it may as well prove true.
 
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