best inside game in Nba history?

Carsomyr said:
By '96 Jordan may have been past his offensive best, but defensively I believe he was better than ever. I hate the axiom of "defense wins championships" but when you have an offense and defense as good as those Bulls had, it may as well prove true.
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Can't disagree. Good points.
 
I would say peak Shaq had the best inside game in NBA history. Literally unstoppable. You could also make the argument for peak Olajuwon based on his size, speed, and footwork.
 
pc1 said:
Imo Walton at his best in the 76-77 season and most of 77-78 was the most complete center in history. He was a better defender and rebounder than Kareem imo, had an incredible outlet pass and was a superior passer. Kareem of course was superior offensively as he would be to virtually any player that lived. That sky hook was perhaps the most unstoppable shot in history. However remember that Walton was the MVP of the 77-78 season.

Now most complete doesn't necessarily mean the best. Jabbar may very well be, along with Russell, Chamberlain the greatest center in history. However I do think Walton contributed a lot as a sub to the 1985-1986 Celtics. And Kareem was a very complete player also.

The Bulls of that era had of course Jordan, imo a bit past his best at age 32 but still superman, Pippen, a very underrated superstar who was great on offense and defense, Rodman, arguable the greatest rebounder of all time and a super defender who could stop anyone. Kukoc was a super offensive shooter and the centers were solid enough. Guys like Rodman, Pippen and Jordan provided incredible defense. Steve Kerr could shot the lights out also.

Both were super teams. I would give the edge to the Celtic front line of Bird, McHale and Parish who were at or close to their primes. Jordan alone give the Bulls an edge at guard. Let's not forget Dennis Johnson at guard for the Celtics who was a great player.

What matchups! Jordan is unstoppable but so is Bird. Pippen is great but so is McHale on the inside. Would Dennis Johnson slow down Jordan a little? Can Pippen slow down Bird? Can Bird stop Pippen?

The Celtics had a 67-15 record and the Bulls had a 72-10 record.

How would the 1986-1987 Lakers do against both? Jabbar, well past his best but still terrific, Magic, James Worthy, Byron Scott, Cooper, Green. Tough matchup problems there also.

The Isiah Thomas Pistons were pretty awesome too.

Incidentally the 1966-67 76ers with Wilt were named the top NBA team of the first 50 years. Their inside game was fabulous. And I haven't even mentioned the Bill Russell Celtics and the 1971-1972 Lakers with West, Goodrich and Wilt. Almost any team with Wilt had at worst a terrific inside game.

One minor note, for all the talk about Jordan, Basketball Reference has Kareem's 1971-1972 season as perhaps the greatest season in NBA history. Both Jabbar and Jordan were, according to Basketball Reference the best player in the league nine times.
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Excellent recopilation
 
pc1 said:
Imo Walton at his best in the 76-77 season and most of 77-78 was the most complete center in history. He was a better defender and rebounder than Kareem imo, had an incredible outlet pass and was a superior passer. Kareem of course was superior offensively as he would be to virtually any player that lived. That sky hook was perhaps the most unstoppable shot in history. However remember that Walton was the MVP of the 77-78 season.

Now most complete doesn't necessarily mean the best. Jabbar may very well be, along with Russell, Chamberlain the greatest center in history. However I do think Walton contributed a lot as a sub to the 1985-1986 Celtics. And Kareem was a very complete player also.

The Bulls of that era had of course Jordan, imo a bit past his best at age 32 but still superman, Pippen, a very underrated superstar who was great on offense and defense, Rodman, arguable the greatest rebounder of all time and a super defender who could stop anyone. Kukoc was a super offensive shooter and the centers were solid enough. Guys like Rodman, Pippen and Jordan provided incredible defense. Steve Kerr could shot the lights out also.

Both were super teams. I would give the edge to the Celtic front line of Bird, McHale and Parish who were at or close to their primes. Jordan alone give the Bulls an edge at guard. Let's not forget Dennis Johnson at guard for the Celtics who was a great player.

What matchups! Jordan is unstoppable but so is Bird. Pippen is great but so is McHale on the inside. Would Dennis Johnson slow down Jordan a little? Can Pippen slow down Bird? Can Bird stop Pippen?

The Celtics had a 67-15 record and the Bulls had a 72-10 record.

How would the 1986-1987 Lakers do against both? Jabbar, well past his best but still terrific, Magic, James Worthy, Byron Scott, Cooper, Green. Tough matchup problems there also.

The Isiah Thomas Pistons were pretty awesome too.

Incidentally the 1966-67 76ers with Wilt were named the top NBA team of the first 50 years. Their inside game was fabulous. And I haven't even mentioned the Bill Russell Celtics and the 1971-1972 Lakers with West, Goodrich and Wilt. Almost any team with Wilt had at worst a terrific inside game.

One minor note, for all the talk about Jordan, Basketball Reference has Kareem's 1971-1972 season as perhaps the greatest season in NBA history. Both Jabbar and Jordan were, according to Basketball Reference the best player in the league nine times.
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71-72 Milwaukee Bucks finished 66-16? Year after winning the Championship?
 
Ronaldo said:
71-72 Milwaukee Bucks finished 66-16? Year after winning the Championship?
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The LA Lakers (33 game winning streak) with West, Goodrich, Wilt, McMillian and Hairston defeated them in six games. The Lakers had a then best ever record of 69-13. Incidentally the Bucks had a 63-19 record for an incredible two year record of 129-35!
 
With the two Gasol and Ibaka, Spain has arguably three of the top five or six NBA inside players; such a luxury for an international team ( the US doesn´t even have three comparable players although they have very good power forwards)

Usually, in the past, Spain had great guards and forwards but not too many dominating big men; now the trend has been reversed.
 
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Ibaka is overrated, it showed when westbrook and durant were out. can't create his own shot, average post defender, no offensive post game. people think he's good on d because he has some highlight help defense blocks. the gasol bros are nasty, the two best passing bigs in the game and can play anywhere inside the 3 point line and be dangerous. kinda want to see the grizzlies with pau instead of randolph this year, would be really fun to watch
 
T1000 said:
Ibaka is overrated, it showed when westbrook and durant were out. can't create his own shot, average post defender, no offensive post game. people think he's good on d because he has some highlight help defense blocks. the gasol bros are nasty, the two best passing bigs in the game and can play anywhere inside the 3 point line and be dangerous. kinda want to see the grizzlies with pau instead of randolph this year, would be really fun to watch
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Ibaka has let his defense slip the last year or so. He is still capable, but seems more interested in scoring now, and he is not as good as a result, IMO.
 
I loved the comittment and performing of guys like Havlicek,Cowens.Mitch Cooper,Walton and, of course, as a Sixer fan, Bobby Jones, maybe the most productive sixth man to ever play the league
 
David Robinson would've been HOFer material irregardless but no can deny that Timmy handed him two Championships. Timmy made Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker a future HOFer. He made everyone around him a better player than they already were. Now, that is what makes a true MVP!

...without a doubt Timmy Duncan is ''IT!'' No BUTs or IFs. He is the one and only, the ultimate! There was none before him and there shall be none after him! Digest it, I can't dumbproof it enough but rest assured I can futureproof him as the best ever Power Forward -- ever! Full stop.
 
Vcore89 said:
David Robinson would've been HOFer material irregardless but no can deny that Timmy handed him two Championships. Timmy made Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker a future HOFer. He made everyone around him a better player than they already were. Now, that is what makes a true MVP!

...without a doubt Timmy Duncan is ''IT!'' No BUTs or IFs. He is the one and only, the ultimate! There was none before him and there shall be none after him! Digest it, I can't dumbproof it enough but rest assured I can futureproof him as the best ever Power Forward -- ever! Full stop.
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How many all time great PF did he ever face?
 
kiki said:
How many all time great PF did he ever face?
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Karl Malone (zero rings even with a last ditch effort at joining the Lakers) with his one and only ''dirty move'' (with his sidekick, Mr. chicken wing Stuckton zero rings), his knee-jerk move is a lowly low-time great!:-|
 
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Vcore89 said:
Karl Malone (zero rings even with a last ditch effort at joining the Lakers) with his one and only ''dirty move'' (with his sidekick, Mr. chicken wing Stuckton zero rings), his knee-jerk move is a lowly low-time great!:-|
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c´mon I meant real men in his trips to hoops.

Karl was a 45 yrs old man farting from coast to coast¡¡¡

Now, 1980´s Malone...

Same for Shaquille: O Neal may be one of the all time best but, other than Robinson and old fart Olajuwon/Ewing whom did he face?

get my point?
 
Point is, he would've annihilated them all at once with his single patented geometrical bank shot off the glass!
 
No more dominant teams like the Lakers or Celtics that Philadelphia had to endure in the early 80´s¡¡¡

Duncan is a very good player, mind you.But, like Federer, weak era downgrades him

At least, he´s not been owned by his main opponent¡¡¡
 
Vcore89 said:
Point is, he would've annihilated them all at once with his single patented geometrical bank shot off the glass!
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Imagine poor Tim with the pownding of a Lucas, the hitting of a Rodman ( Dirty man), the hustling of Chuck Barkley, the moving of peak KMailman, not to mention others such as Mc Hale,Cowens,Chambers,Laimbeer

He´s never dreamt of that
 
Like I said he would've handled them ''all at once'' like rag dolls. And oh, those so called greats, their fellow HOFers made them better. Unlike, Timmy, he actually made them great!
 
Bird and Parish made him better. Btw, when I saw old videos of McHale...dude is slow, could he even pass today's varsity tryouts?:)
 
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Right, and he made them better as well

That is great teamwork and part of the Celtics ( and Old Lakers) legend.Stars playing in unselfish way.

The same happened with Detroit in the late 80´s.

And Jordan was totally zeroed till he had some good mates and learnt to play for them
 
More great old biggies

Ralph Sampson, a fail after 87 but glorious for two sensational seasons at Houston before.Antoine Carr and JB Carroll, golden hands but menthal freaks.Roundfield,Mahorn,Nance,Ruland and, of course, the iman rebounder Buck Williams; guys that had what they had to.Same for Tom Chambers,Jack Sikma,Terry Cummings, who had enormous talent but was mistreated by injuries.

Bob Lanier,Artis Gilmore,Daugherty,Glass knees Sam Bowie, Perkins,animal Wayman Tisdale, Baby Gorila Dawkins.Dan Issel, a scoring inside machine.

A golden era for giants that some called " When giants walked the earth"
 
kiki said:
More great old biggies

Ralph Sampson, a fail after 87 but glorious for two sensational seasons at Houston before.Antoine Carr and JB Carroll, golden hands but menthal freaks.Roundfield,Mahorn,Nance,Ruland and, of course, the iman rebounder Buck Williams; guys that had what they had to.Same for Tom Chambers,Jack Sikma,Terry Cummings, who had enormous talent but was mistreated by injuries.

Bob Lanier,Artis Gilmore,Daugherty,Glass knees Sam Bowie, Perkins,animal Wayman Tisdale, Baby Gorila Dawkins.Dan Issel, a scoring inside machine.

A golden era for giants that some called " When giants walked the earth"
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Saw Dan Roundfield play for Central Michigan.
 
kiki said:
How many all time great PF did he ever face?
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kiki said:
c´mon I meant real men in his trips to hoops.

Karl was a 45 yrs old man farting from coast to coast¡¡¡

Now, 1980´s Malone...

Same for Shaquille: O Neal may be one of the all time best but, other than Robinson and old fart Olajuwon/Ewing whom did he face?

get my point?
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kiki said:
No more dominant teams like the Lakers or Celtics that Philadelphia had to endure in the early 80´s¡¡¡

Duncan is a very good player, mind you.But, like Federer, weak era downgrades him

At least, he´s not been owned by his main opponent¡¡¡
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kiki said:
Imagine poor Tim with the pownding of a Lucas, the hitting of a Rodman ( Dirty man), the hustling of Chuck Barkley, the moving of peak KMailman, not to mention others such as Mc Hale,Cowens,Chambers,Laimbeer

He´s never dreamt of that
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these posts prove you literally know nothing about basketball.
 
kiki said:
Imagine poor Tim with the pownding of a Lucas, the hitting of a Rodman ( Dirty man), the hustling of Chuck Barkley, the moving of peak KMailman, not to mention others such as Mc Hale,Cowens,Chambers,Laimbeer

He´s never dreamt of that
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Now, c'mon Kiki, I respect your knowledge of the game, but I've already addressed this. Duncan had tons of competition, and toppled most of it, INCLUDING peak Mailman (Malone was an ageless wonder). In Malone's second MVP year, Duncan outperformed him in the playoffs, and this was Duncan's sophomore year in the league. He won finals MVP and had a monster playoffs.


He beat Nowitzki when it counted, blew out the Shaqobe Laker's in '03, beat LeBron twice in the finals, and was FIVE SECONDS away from being a finals MVP at age 37 in 2013.
 
Carsomyr said:
Not to turn this thread into something else, but...

'96 Bulls or '86 Celtics?

I'm going Bulls, here. I might be a tad biased given my geographic affiliation and fandom of the team, but - really. No other team has accomplished 70 wins, let alone 72. Their point differential is absurd, and are one of, if not the only, team to rank first in most offensive and defensive categories.

You have (almost in-arguably) the GOAT in Jordan, who may not have had the hops he did in the 80s and early 90s, but could still score on you at will with a better mid-range, long-range, and post game. He also may have won DPOY approx. 10 years earlier, but I think he was even better at this point. You have Pippen, who could also efficiently score and was arguably even better on defense than Jordan (and even with a DPOY, Jordan is frankly underrated on the defensive end - that tells you something). You have Rodman, who was basically Moses Malone without the scoring prowess, and a great defender in his own right. Ron Harper, who couldn't score at will like he did before his injury, but (seeing a pattern, here?) turned himself into a terrific defensive player...and you had Toni Kukoc, who could have been a starter on 85-90% of the teams in the league...mostly coming off the bench.

I get the '86 Celtics worship with their HOF cast, but let's be honest, here; Bird (and Magic, for that matter) were never top tier defenders. That's not to say there weren't weak links in the Bulls (i.e. Longley), but I feel that the greatest player ever, and another guy who is top 5 at his position, still in their primes, with the entire team from 1-5 playing excellent defense, is extremely hard to argue against.
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Very interesting comp.


On paper, it's very close. The Celts were a combined 50-1 at home that year, regular season and playoffs. It was near impossible to beat them at the Garden. By '96 the league was a little diluted, what with the influx of expansion teams. The '86 East was also STACKED, much like the West today.


Forget about all of the other teams -- the '86 Celts had the GREATEST inside scoring of all time. McHale, Larry Legend and Parish. Parish had the muscle, McHale had the crafty post moves that would rival Hakeem, and Bird could score from anywhere on the court. Walton found a niche off the bench, and could score in the paint too.


While Bird was never an imposing man defender, as a team defender he was top-notch, and Defensive Win Shares rates him as one of the better defenders in the league in his prime. He was awesome at intercepting passing lanes and had great awareness.

They had DJ at the point, who was the Conley/Ron Harper of that epoch, an excellent two-way player that was a really good defender. McHale was an all-NBA defender. Walton could protect the rim with the best of them.

Teams didn't really shoot 3's in that era, but they had Larry shooting near 40%, and Sichting, Wedman + Ainge would have had a field day with that shortened 3 pt line, particularly Bird who shot so many long 2's with his foot on the line.


SO.....they were devastating both inside, out, and at the mid-range, dominated defensively, couldn't be stopped at home with their raucous fan base. Number 2 in FG%, number 1 in FT% and 3PT%, number 1 in rebounding, number 2 in assists, number 1 in Offensive Rating, number 2 in DRating.....where was their weak spot?


Now, the case for why the Bulls were the better team is just as strong. GOAT perimeter defense, toughness + mental fortitude. They had the best scorer of all time and arguably the best rebounder. Kerr was a magnificent floor-spacer, and could catch-and-shoot with the best of them. Kukoc provided a spark off the bench. Pippen was Lebron Lite. As an all-around player he will never get his due respect, playing in MJ's shadow, but other than lacking range he was really excellent in all facets of the game. Great offensive rebounder, great Point Forward skills, deadly in transition, could guard 1-5 (they say 1-4, but they put him on Divac, Mutumbo at times).

Longley was an afterthought in their system, but he was a serviceable big man, and a big body on D.

Both teams have match-up advantages they can exploit: Rodman can't guard the triumvirate of Bird, McHale and Parish all by himself, and both Parish and McHale had unbelievably long limbs. They could get a shot up over anyone.

The Bulls had MJ, whom no one could guard. Too big for DJ and Ainge, too quick for Bird and McHale. Even at 23 he lit up the '86 Celts for 63.


Toss-up. One is 1a and the other 1b for me, depending on how I feel that day.
 
TheFifthSet said:
Very interesting comp.


On paper, it's very close. The Celts were a combined 50-1 at home that year, regular season and playoffs. It was near impossible to beat them at the Garden. By '96 the league was a little diluted, what with the influx of expansion teams. The '86 East was also STACKED, much like the West today.


Forget about all of the other teams -- the '86 Celts had the GREATEST inside scoring of all time. McHale, Larry Legend and Parish. Parish had the muscle, McHale had the crafty post moves that would rival Hakeem, and Bird could score from anywhere on the court. Walton found a niche off the bench, and could score in the paint too.


While Bird was never an imposing man defender, as a team defender he was top-notch, and Defensive Win Shares rates him as one of the better defenders in the league in his prime. He was awesome at intercepting passing lanes and had great awareness.

They had DJ at the point, who was the Conley/Ron Harper of that epoch, an excellent two-way player that was a really good defender. McHale was an all-NBA defender. Walton could protect the rim with the best of them.

Teams didn't really shoot 3's in that era, but they had Larry shooting near 40%, and Sichting, Wedman + Ainge would have had a field day with that shortened 3 pt line, particularly Bird who shot so many long 2's with his foot on the line.


SO.....they were devastating both inside, out, and at the mid-range, dominated defensively, couldn't be stopped at home with their raucous fan base. Number 2 in FG%, number 1 in FT% and 3PT%, number 1 in rebounding, number 2 in assists, number 1 in Offensive Rating, number 2 in DRating.....where was their weak spot?


Now, the case for why the Bulls were the better team is just as strong. GOAT perimeter defense, toughness + mental fortitude. They had the best scorer of all time and arguably the best rebounder. Kerr was a magnificent floor-spacer, and could catch-and-shoot with the best of them. Kukoc provided a spark off the bench. Pippen was Lebron Lite. As an all-around player he will never get his due respect, playing in MJ's shadow, but other than lacking range he was really excellent in all facets of the game. Great offensive rebounder, great Point Forward skills, deadly in transition, could guard 1-5 (they say 1-4, but they put him on Divac, Mutumbo at times).

Longley was an afterthought in their system, but he was a serviceable big man, and a big body on D.

Both teams have match-up advantages they can exploit: Rodman can't guard the triumvirate of Bird, McHale and Parish all by himself, and both Parish and McHale had unbelievably long limbs. They could get a shot up over anyone.

The Bulls had MJ, whom no one could guard. Too big for DJ and Ainge, too quick for Bird and McHale. Even at 23 he lit up the '86 Celts for 63.


Toss-up. One is 1a and the other 1b for me, depending on how I feel that day.
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Good post
How do you compare both teams vs 82 Lakers,83 Sixers and 89 Pistons?
 
Kev Mc Hale
Best Ballet West of Bolshoi
Duncan would be so much dazzed&confused that he would say Bonjour to Ginobili and Buenos Días to mr. Logoria!!
 
kiki said:
Good post
How do you compare both teams vs 82 Lakers,83 Sixers and 89 Pistons?
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the '83 Sixers were such a fabulous team. Top 5-6 all time for sure. They were even better than their 65-17 record suggested. If memory serves me right they were 57-9 and a safe bet to be the first team to win 70 games. They got a little lazy down the stretch.

Moses corralled so many missed shots for them that year, averaged close to 6 offensive rebounds per game and 15 overall RPG and was an intimidating inside presence. Dr J was still a deft finisher and slasher even at 32. Cheeks and Toney are one of my favourite backcourts of all time, and Bobby Jones could do it all from the bench. The rest of their bench was solid too.


Oh, and "fo-fo-fo" which turned out to be "fo-fi-fo", but close enough. :) Best of the three teams you mentioned, for sure.


The '81-'82 Lakers were an important and seminal team because they were one of the first to win playing small-ball. Yes, Kareem has never been "small" but by then he was no longer rebounding well for them nor was he dominating inside. Wilkes, Nixon and Magic were so great in transition.

They beat the Sixers in the final but this incarnation of the team wasn't as great as the following years Sixers. Big Game James hadn't been drafted yet, Magic wasn't in his prime, and they got swept next year in the finals. Moses was the x factor. They didn't have anyone that could bang with him. So, they were flawed but still great.


The Pistons were a total team effort, and based on their toughness they could have given those Sixers a run for their money, but probably would have fallen short.
 
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kiki said:
What made Mc Hale so unreachable?
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He was very big at the 4.

While his height at 6'10 wasn't particularly eye-catching, his wingspan and standing reach were the stuff of legend. His wingspan was rumored to be around 7'8. That's freakish.

And as they say, you don't shoot and rebound with the top of your head, so his length allowed him to play much "taller" than his height.
 
TheFifthSet said:
the '83 Sixers were such a fabulous team. Top 5-6 all time for sure. They were even better than their 65-17 record suggested. If memory serves me right they were 57-9 and a safe bet to be the first team to win 70 games. They got a little lazy down the stretch.

Moses corralled so many missed shots for them that year, averaged close to 6 offensive rebounds per game and 15 overall RPG and was an intimidating inside presence. Dr J was still a deft finisher and slasher even at 32. Cheeks and Toney are one of my favourite backcourts of all time, and Bobby Jones could do it all from the bench. The rest of their bench was solid too.


Oh, and "fo-fo-fo" which turned out to be "fo-fi-fo", but close enough. :) Best of the three teams you mentioned, for sure.


The '81-'82 Lakers were an important and seminal team because they were one of the first to win playing small-ball. Yes, Kareem has never been "small" but by then he was no longer rebounding well for them nor was he dominating inside. Wilkes, Nixon and Magic were so great in transition.

They beat the Sixers in the final but this incarnation of the team wasn't as great as the following years Sixers. Big Game James hadn't been drafted yet, Magic wasn't in his prime, and they got swept next year in the finals. Moses was the x factor. They didn't have anyone that could bang with him. So, they were flawed but still great.


The Pistons were a total team effort, and based on their toughness they could have given those Sixers a run for their money, but probably would have fallen short.
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Agreed,Good vision of the scenario
LA was overloaded with talent with Nixon,Johnson,Wilkes,Mc Adoo and Jabbar and their great bench with McGee,Coops,Kupchak,Chones

Guys like Iavaroni,Edwards,Henderson and Clemon Johnson did their best job in 82/83

Of course,Moses is the best ever rebounder,and only Rodman may be just as good on the OR
 
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kiki said:
Agreed,Good vision of the scenario
LA was overloaded with talent with Nixon,Johnson,Wilkes,Mc Adoo and Jabbar and their great bench with McGee,Coops,Kupchak,Chones

Guys like Iavaroni,Edwards,Henderson and Clemon Johnson did their best job in 82/83

Of course,Moses is the best ever rebounder,and only Rodman may be just as good on the OR
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Yes, it kills my conservative attire to admit such, but Rodman was an animal on the boards.
 
kiki said:
Hope you enlighten me,gentle young man
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Says Duncan had no competition

Brb played against a top 3 pf his entire career (kg) another top 3 pf (mailman) a top 10 (dirk) and two top 15 (webber and amare)

But he had no competition f'ing lol. Keep talking up mchale even tho he was hidden behind 2 other front court greats and played on stacked teams his whole career
 
T1000 said:
Says Duncan had no competition

Brb played against a top 3 pf his entire career (kg) another top 3 pf (mailman) a top 10 (dirk) and two top 15 (webber and amare)

But he had no competition f'ing lol. Keep talking up mchale even tho he was hidden behind 2 other front court greats and played on stacked teams his whole career
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THANK YOU. Duncan was a beast and he's still putting up great numbers despite the stiff competition. Weak era? HAHAHA
 
Moses, according to SI went empty to the offensive rebounds and came back with two heads under each arm...and,of course, the ball in his hands
Oh Goshhhh
 
T1000 said:
Says Duncan had no competition

Brb played against a top 3 pf his entire career (kg) another top 3 pf (mailman) a top 10 (dirk) and two top 15 (webber and amare)

But he had no competition f'ing lol. Keep talking up mchale even tho he was hidden behind 2 other front court greats and played on stacked teams his whole career
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Garnett is ok and Webber was also a very good PF, but...Nowitzjy?Amaré?
Geez,Mc Hale would dance and dance with those two good fellas
Nowitzjy is a great three but only in such a weak era can he bright inside!!!
Mailman was a 40 yrs old big coast to coast farter ( sorry Mailman, didn´t want to sound offensive but rather talkative)
That mention alone shows hoy much clueless you guys are
 
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Ronaldo said:
Pistons were a headache for Scotty Pippen
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True, and what a great team, with a team concept developed by great Chuck Daly.He ousted selfish guys like sharpshooters Adrian Dantley and Kelly Tripucka and made a selfish shooter like Vincent Aguirre play for his mates.Of course, Thomas, Dumars and Laimbeer rounded up a superb team with one of the best ( if not the best) benches in NBA history.Johnson,Salley,Edwards...
 
kiki said:
True, and what a great team, with a team concept developed by great Chuck Daly.He ousted selfish guys like sharpshooters Adrian Dantley and Kelly Tripucka and made a selfish shooter like Vincent Aguirre play for his mates.Of course, Thomas, Dumars and Laimbeer rounded up a superb team with one of the best ( if not the best) benches in NBA history.Johnson,Salley,Edwards...
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Pity, all that success aged the players from the Lakers, Pistons, and Celtics prematurely.
 
Ronaldo said:
Pity, all that success aged the players from the Lakers, Pistons, and Celtics prematurely.
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Didn´t have replacements.The Perkins and Divac combo should have done better in LA, but Magic ( besides the AIDS problem) was ageeing.

It was worse with the Celtics; they had hoped a lot for Bias and Lewis, both prematurley passed away when many Celtic fans viewed both as the future of their franchise.

As for Detroit, the problem is Chicago , led by Reinsdorff put finally all the pieces needed around Jordan, and Jordan himself became a real team player.

With Kerr,Kukoc,Cartwright,Pippen and Rodman around Jordan, it was a matter of when not if Bulls would win the ring.Thomas and Laimbeer had lost a lot of their competitive fire by then.
 
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