Grafil Injection
Legend
Almost certainly made of an elastomer, rather than standard Nylon, to add a bit of dampening like power-pads.
Best items you found at thrift stores (Goodwill)?
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Almost certainly made of an elastomer, rather than standard Nylon, to add a bit of dampening like power-pads.
dak95_00
Hall of Fame
Just when I thought I was out of the game… I got dragged back in…..
I was across town for work training and went into a couple of thrift stores during my lunch break. There was nothing at the first stop. At the second, which was a Goodwill, I found two racquets that were tied together with a rubber band for $5. One was a cheaply Walmart type beginner frame and the other was a more intermediate Prince Force 3. I decided I’d buy them so I could give the Prince to a girl on the hs tennis team I coach. Then I saw what looked like a Prince Graphite AND IT WAS! I reached down and grabbed it and it was also tied to another racquet. The POG 110 had the original leather grip, was a 4 stripe, and it in excellent condition. The racquet tied together it was also in good condition and is a Rossignol F330 which is from or along the same mold as the F200. These were also $5 for the pair. Oddly enough I had been thinking of trying out an oversize racquet again and the POG was on my list of options to consider.
I was across town for work training and went into a couple of thrift stores during my lunch break. There was nothing at the first stop. At the second, which was a Goodwill, I found two racquets that were tied together with a rubber band for $5. One was a cheaply Walmart type beginner frame and the other was a more intermediate Prince Force 3. I decided I’d buy them so I could give the Prince to a girl on the hs tennis team I coach. Then I saw what looked like a Prince Graphite AND IT WAS! I reached down and grabbed it and it was also tied to another racquet. The POG 110 had the original leather grip, was a 4 stripe, and it in excellent condition. The racquet tied together it was also in good condition and is a Rossignol F330 which is from or along the same mold as the F200. These were also $5 for the pair. Oddly enough I had been thinking of trying out an oversize racquet again and the POG was on my list of options to consider.
Grafil Injection
Legend
I'm so in the game that charity shop owners chase me down the street if they have something new and see me walking past!
But I'm not complaining in this case as I'd wanted to know how the racket between the Prince Classic and Pro played, having found the former too flexy and latter too boardy. And thus the Classic 2 does hit the Goldilocks zone for me regarding Prince OS aluminiums. 364g, 32.5cm balance like virtually all of them I have tried, with clearly more flex than a Pro but not a complete noodle either.
But I'm not complaining in this case as I'd wanted to know how the racket between the Prince Classic and Pro played, having found the former too flexy and latter too boardy. And thus the Classic 2 does hit the Goldilocks zone for me regarding Prince OS aluminiums. 364g, 32.5cm balance like virtually all of them I have tried, with clearly more flex than a Pro but not a complete noodle either.
kevin qmto
Legend
Haha, are we marks, or just good customers at this point?I'm so in the game that charity shop owners chase me down the street if they have something new and see me walking past!
But I'm not complaining in this case as I'd wanted to know how the racket between the Prince Classic and Pro played, having found the former too flexy and latter too boardy. And thus the Classic 2 does hit the Goldilocks zone for me regarding Prince OS aluminiums. 364g, 32.5cm balance like virtually all of them I have tried, with clearly more flex than a Pro but not a complete noodle either.
One of the owners at a Play it Again Sports knows me by now, he saves any wood frames he gets donated in and that's how I got my Golden Ace, he just said "gimmie 5 bucks cash and it's yours."
I got in a Classic II as well not too long ago, I still never got time to throw it in my studio for better shots. I took a Prince Aluminum family photo though. I also have a story/theory on the whole: Why was the "original" Classic sold alongside the Classic II thing? and it's as follows, (I'm eagerly looking forward to @Sanglier popping in to say "hmm, interesting but its definitely wrong.")
So around 1979 or whenever, with the new Prince Pro coming in from Taiwan, Prince USA was like "wow this thing hits great and costs way less per unit than the USA-made green Prince, which we're now calling the Prince 'Classic'. Let's get rid of these expensive domestic factories and outsource all the manufacturing." So they did, but not before green-lighting a sequel to replace the outgoing USA-made 3-bar Classic frame, which is of course the Classic II. So everything is rosy, expenses are down, profits are up, but Prince keeps getting phone calls, letters, faxes or telegrams or some crap about people looking for "that green frame Pam Schriver used" and that new burgundy Classic II isn't selling quite as well as they'd hoped, despite getting Chris Lewis to use it... so they call up Kunnan Lo and tell them to just start making a green version of the Classic II, and call it the Classic. People like that green frame, just whip something up and we'll treat it like it's the same thing as the old USA one. Granted, the Taiwan sourced Classic isn't identical to the Classic II, but it's pretty damn close. Things like the hoop shape is slightly different on the II, and the hologram and grip collar on the Classic I stand out, but the beam shape and width is identical. My Classic I here is actually from a later run than this Classic II, you can tell by the Prince font and format on the head cover. I've never seen a Classic II with the later 1983-beyond Prince head cover redesign seen on the left, I suppose it's possible they just didn't change it, but why'd they change the Classic I head cover design from 82 to 83 and not the rest? Wouldn't make much sense to me. Thoughts?
kevin qmto
Legend
While I'm at it, here's the next racket from the racket binge from the other day. Prince Precision Response, Pat Rafter used this paint job when he won his first slam at the '97 USO. Whether it was this actual frame or something else under it I don't know. Looks neat, the rubber on the double bridge cover isn't even yellowed yet, which is uncommon.
michael valek
Hall of Fame
those responses are absolute tanks. they always felt a bit thick to me.....
Guttersnipe
Professional
Paint job and shape of that is beautiful, but that is the most open 16x20 I’ve seen holy molyWhile I'm at it, here's the next racket from the racket binge from the other day. Prince Precision Response, Pat Rafter used this paint job when he won his first slam at the '97 USO. Whether it was this actual frame or something else under it I don't know. Looks neat, the rubber on the double bridge cover isn't even yellowed yet, which is uncommon.
WJ155
Semi-Pro
you, my friend, are too caught up in the old racquets. ever heard of a diadem elevate? puts that to shame.
wedge
Semi-Pro
The frame @kevin qmto picked up is likely not much of a tank ... that's a Thailand Precision Response, so it's probably in the low 310's strung weight.
Honestly a better racket to play with!
Guttersnipe
Professional
Never checked outed them out. They are rare in the secondary market here in Aus. Are they more open? I’ll have look them up on YT now lol
Grafil Injection
Legend
The mid-1990s Precision Response should be about 320g unstrung for 338g strung. The same for all other Prince player's rackets in the mid 90s like the Graphite-II, the Precision Whisper and the subsequent Precision Response Titanium. They are certainly not tanks though, with SWs around 325. When they moved to the TT Warrior in 2000, the weight dropped a whole ounce to 295g unstrung, for 310g strung.
The mid-80s Precision (and the earlier Precision Graphite) were 340g unstrung as most advanced sticks also were then. The Precision was relatively tank-like to swing, probably because of the large shoulders design.
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Grafil Injection
Legend
The Precision Response and PPRTi and Warrior do indeed have very open 16x20 string-beds, which are also very even to the edges of the frame. At 1.475cm2 average cell size, they are near the top of the table, which I've updated near the bottom of this thread:
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Guttersnipe
Professional
Crazy that you know that off the top of your head. Or did you Chat GPT it?The Precision Response and PPRTi and Warrior do indeed have very open 16x20 string-beds, which are also very even to the edges of the frame. At 1.475cm2 average cell size, they are near the top of the table, which I've updated:
kevin qmto
Legend
I’ll have to see how spinny it is soon. Funny how the 14x18 spectrum has a much more dense pattern in the middle than this frame with 16 mains. Also interesting that this ultra-open patrern was favored by the S&V playing Rafter. Usually those guys preferred denser patterns.The Precision Response and PPRTi and Warrior do indeed have very open 16x20 string-beds, which are also very even to the edges of the frame. At 1.475cm2 average cell size, they are near the top of the table, which I've updated:
Tonight I’m hitting indoors with the oldsters. Bringing out a special relic I’ve acquired that’ll get its own thread one of these days.
What did you think of my totally made up story about the Classic series above? Plausible?
Grafil Injection
Legend
I measured my rackets.
Grafil Injection
Legend
Those three 16x20s string-beds (and the Precision Whisper 100sqi) are very evenly distributed, which I don't think means you can hit at the edges, but it probably makes the 'response' more 'precise' on a good shot due to less trampolining. So they should be quite controlled despite being open.
As to your Prince aluminium wonderings, here's the 1984 brochure. I think this is before the 90sqis came out in early 1984, so the Series 110 wording wasn't applied yet. Not sure whether they combined the models together after that, but it's possible. It's probably also possible they stopped making all of them apart from the Pro in 1984 since graphites were taking over, and just applied different badges later in the 80s to the Classic.
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wedge
Semi-Pro
@Grafil Injection I'm sure kevin will weigh it at some point -- I'll make ya a friendly wager that even with that overgrip, it comes in at no more than 320g strung.
If not, why, I'll eat my hat!
Grafil Injection
Legend
If it's the mid-90s version (97sqi, 660PL), it was 320g unstrung, with the usual +/- 7g range. So 335-345g strung. You can see this measured on many other threads:
The TW review of the 2013 reissue with slightly different paintjob also says 340g strung:
Tennis Warehouse - Prince Response 97 Racquet Review
www.tennis-warehouse.com
If Kevin's is <320g strung, it's not a Precision Response 97, or he has just an over-grip and no base-grip.
Got your hat ready?
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dak95_00
Hall of Fame
I think I have grommets for these. I definitely have the green and might have the brown.Haha, are we marks, or just good customers at this point?
One of the owners at a Play it Again Sports knows me by now, he saves any wood frames he gets donated in and that's how I got my Golden Ace, he just said "gimmie 5 bucks cash and it's yours."
I got in a Classic II as well not too long ago, I still never got time to throw it in my studio for better shots. I took a Prince Aluminum family photo though. I also have a story/theory on the whole: Why was the "original" Classic sold alongside the Classic II thing? and it's as follows, (I'm eagerly looking forward to @Sanglier popping in to say "hmm, interesting but its definitely wrong.")
So around 1979 or whenever, with the new Prince Pro coming in from Taiwan, Prince USA was like "wow this thing hits great and costs way less per unit than the USA-made green Prince, which we're now calling the Prince 'Classic'. Let's get rid of these expensive domestic factories and outsource all the manufacturing." So they did, but not before green-lighting a sequel to replace the outgoing USA-made 3-bar Classic frame, which is of course the Classic II. So everything is rosy, expenses are down, profits are up, but Prince keeps getting phone calls, letters, faxes or telegrams or some crap about people looking for "that green frame Pam Schriver used" and that new burgundy Classic II isn't selling quite as well as they'd hoped, despite getting Chris Lewis to use it... so they call up Kunnan Lo and tell them to just start making a green version of the Classic II, and call it the Classic. People like that green frame, just whip something up and we'll treat it like it's the same thing as the old USA one. Granted, the Taiwan sourced Classic isn't identical to the Classic II, but it's pretty damn close. Things like the hoop shape is slightly different on the II, and the hologram and grip collar on the Classic I stand out, but the beam shape and width is identical. My Classic I here is actually from a later run than this Classic II, you can tell by the Prince font and format on the head cover. I've never seen a Classic II with the later 1983-beyond Prince head cover redesign seen on the left, I suppose it's possible they just didn't change it, but why'd they change the Classic I head cover design from 82 to 83 and not the rest? Wouldn't make much sense to me. Thoughts?
Sanglier
Professional
Unfortunately, I don't have the answer you are looking for.
The original Prince frame produced by Maark Corporation had an extruded H-beam aluminum frame. It was basically a much-enlarged PDP "Open". However, while the H-beam worked well for a standard-sized frame, the 60 RA of the "Open" frame dropped to 35 RA when 'opened' up to Prince specs.
Kunnan made the "Classic" a lot stiffer by going tubular, initially using imported 7000 series alloy from Alcoa. These frames sold very well, and made a ton of money for Prince and Kunnan, leading to the rapid expansion of the product line in the years that followed. Some of the lesser models were made using locally sourced 6061 tubing, which was a lot cheaper than 7000 series tubing, but also more flexible. One local supplier was eventually able to produce 7046 seamless tubing that equalled Alcoa import in performance, allowing Kunnan to fully onshore his supply chain from then on, boosting profit.
The "Classic II" might have something to do with an upgrade in alloy (as it is said to be stiffer), or it could have been developed and produced by a different OEM contractor, as competition on the island was exploding at that time. People who have direct knowledge of the difference would be around Kuebler's age, assuming they can remember such details all these decades later. The window for assessing your hypothesis with any kind of authority, if it's still open, may not stay open for much longer.
kevin qmto
Legend
This is why everyone should write their own lifes work story, even if it might seem boring. Background stories like this I find infinitely interesting for some reason. Who made things, how, and why? Was it successful, popular, or influential, or just a spectacular failure? Luckily sometimes I can get answers to those questions and you're a huge part of why!
kevin qmto
Legend
Continuing with the updates. Usually I leave these things, but a simple typo that had me chuckling every time I glanced at it made me buy it. It's the Pron Tennis Racket! Don't we all love us some tennis pron? Also there were two of them in the case, so I can torture someone else by making them use it! It's the Woed Batens (please don't even try to make sense of that brand name) Ace! Dubiously established in 1993, its one of many china brand rackets one can buy for about $27-30usd on Amazon or the bay. it's a graphite fusion and comes adorned with an info sheet filled with lovely Engrish which is worth the price of admission alone. I'll let it speak for itself. Of particular interest to me, was the buttcap, it looks very similar to the prototype Adidas Barricade IES racket I have, but that thing was from 2010, and you can buy this Woed Ace right now. I think this might come from the same factory, though spec wise they share nothing in common. It's strung very loosely, as these bottom of the barrel no-name brand frames often are. Oddly, it boasts that it comes with a base grip, with an overgrip already applied from factory, a choice I don't think I've ever seen before. I'll give it a hit sometime, and if I'm feeling like throwing 20 bucks away, might have one of them restrung.
Grafil Injection
Legend
I'd expect a purple version of that Woed to come out soon, as they're clearly copying the Percept!
kevin qmto
Legend
They usually sell each model in a variety of colors anyways.
I’ve noticed a lot of former Engrish filled postings are now filled with proper, but clearly AI generated English descriptions. I’m sad that we’re probably in the end of days for the classic, barely decipherable engrish product descriptions that have given the world such joy over the years. It’s all gonna be long, boring, derivative but grammatically correct descriptions from here on out.
Sanglier
Professional
If you are amused by such things, perhaps you'd also be entertained to know that the name of the purveyor of your WOED "Ace", ChangKuanGao, literally means "Length Width (and) Height". Any more generic than this, and they'd have to call themselves "GongZuoDanWei" ('Business', or 'Employer'), which they are probably not allowed to.
kevin qmto
Legend
Grafil Injection
Legend
No base grip? 26 inch? Japan special? badminton strings? What have you got there? What's the balance?
It's clear the original was 325g unstrung as it was a 'Players' model, as many other threads show, so you've got something else there. Perhaps when the lighter Warrior was out in the 00s, they reissued it? But it's not the original at that spec.
I see @wedge has a light one too (311g), as discussed in February. Perhaps he has found some more info on it.
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Bisquick
Semi-Pro
This came up in my local bst - anyone ever heard of a Rodeo brand racket? Looks to be graphite construction.
https://www.karrotmarket.com/ca/buy...tennis-racquet-nqkjs9bpijmp/?in=toronto-11052
Seems like an interesting oddity that I might pickup if the price is right.
https://www.karrotmarket.com/ca/buy...tennis-racquet-nqkjs9bpijmp/?in=toronto-11052
Seems like an interesting oddity that I might pickup if the price is right.
kevin qmto
Legend
Definitely has a base grip. Full size. Don’t think it’s Asian spec since I got it at a thrift store though I suppose anything is possible. I’m not knowledgeable enough to know if this model was one they reissued at a later time with altered specs. It was made in Thailand. I think all 00’s Princes were made in China. I’m not home right now to measure balance. That’s always the stat I neglect to measure most lol.
Grafil Injection
Legend
It seems like you and @wedge should bash heads to find out more about it as you have the light models. When @wedge mentioned his 311g model I asked what grip size it was, but didn't get a response. Most other threads and videos clearly state >340g, and that's fairly accepted as the Graphite II before and PPRTi after were around that weight too. It was an advanced Player's stick with around 330sw. However, there's a placard with 305g unstrung indicated on one thread, so perhaps Prince came out with some SL models in some regions.
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wedge
Semi-Pro
Mine's a 2. Yeah 311g, a flyweight compared to this ... balance on mine is even(!)
I wish I knew more about the phenomenon, I only learned about the Thai frames here on the forum from other people. I wonder if @Sanglier has any information about Prince's operations there. I got curious about it since all my CTS-era Princes are almost insanely locked-in with specs, so the Response I picked up couldn't have just been some wild outlier (this was my thinking anyway). It's a later era but not like, that much later.
I've since modded it up to be near-enough to stated China specs (326g/338sw) and up one grip size, just cuz I wanted to know what it's like at these specs. Honestly, I'm not gonna say I like it better stock, but probably somewhere inbetween is the sweet spot. I've never had much luck with extended rackets though.
I actually picked up Classic Response 97 (the reissue with the super-nice paintjob) to compare against it. Will be interesting to do a side-by-side!
wedge
Semi-Pro
Funny how this seems to work, I'm also on a bit of a Radical kick ... found an Intelligence OS and a Liquidmetal Tour (!) in the past week. Sometimes it feels like there's an overarching grand global Legacy Extraction Corp that distributes tennis rackets to thrift stores according to some unknowable master plan.
wedge
Semi-Pro
If you are amused by such things, perhaps you'd also be entertained to know that the name of the purveyor of your WOED "Ace", ChangKuanGao, literally means "Length Width (and) Height". Any more generic than this, and they'd have to call themselves "GongZuoDanWei" ('Business', or 'Employer'), which they are probably not allowed to.
I'm assuming PRON has no Chinese meaning
kevin qmto
Legend
I still think you need to take a bow for speculating the correct weight range of a random frame, TO THE GRAM over the Internet. Mad props.I'm assuming PRON has no Chinese meaning
Sanglier
Professional
Prince played no role in Thailand.
Kunnan Lo was trying to lower production cost, and decided to build a giant factory there ("as large as an airplane factory", according to him), with the expectation that it would become so large and profitable that it will eventually go public. However, language barriers, cultural differences, environmental factors, etc., combined to prevent the "copy exact" approach needed to reliably replicate manufacturing success from one location to a very different location, eventually dooming the effort (TSMC is working through the same difficulties decades later, and their nut is way tougher to crack than making racquets). In contrast, these problems are virtually non-existent for Kunnan's competitors who chose to expand their operations to Mainland China (the timing was also quite fortuitous, as China was shunned by the West following the 1989 mess; opening the entire oversized playground to these Taiwanese as if they stepped into a vacuum). Within a few short years, nearly all survivors of the cutthroat competition on the island (along with manufacturers in other sectors) moved to the Mainland and took root there. Those that chose not to had to abandon tennis.
As Kunnan's problems snowballed at home, the factory in Thailand was repossessed and liquidated by his creditor. Many years later, he ruefully admitted that choosing Thailand over the Mainland for his expansion was one of the biggest mistakes he ever made (which says a lot, given how many fatal mistakes he had to choose from).
wedge
Semi-Pro
We should start a new forum thread of Guess the Weight. Someone posts an old frame, and whoever comes closest without going over gets to not eat a hat
kevin qmto
Legend
There will be so many hats eaten lol.We should start a new forum thread of Guess the Weight. Someone posts an old frame, and whoever comes closest without going over gets to not eat a hat
Grafil Injection
Legend
When you say 'extended rackets' do you mean yours is >27 inch? Up to now I've been talking about the MP which is standard length. Did you mean 'customised' rackets?
I have a Precision Whisper and a Graphite II made in Thailand, and they are both on-spec around 340g strung. So given that there is a placard showing 305g for the Response, I suggest it was an Asia regional model, as they typically just removed the weights in the handle for Asia Pro-Staffs etc. Kevin's is also size 2, so that would suggest Asia too. Your even balance model is exactly the balance you would expect if 30g of weight were removed from the handle. 34.25cm vs 32.25cm.
wedge
Semi-Pro
Ah I just got confused for a moment, whenever I think of Precision frames I think of the extended ones for some reason.
I would buy the Asia market frame theory, but it would also be rather unusual for both of us to come across Asian market frames here in the US.
Might it not be just as (if not more) plausible that Prince perhaps just decided to change the spec of this racket? Wouldn't be the first time they did that.
What is the spec of the Whisper supposed to be? My Thailand Whisper (a size 2) is 323g with a 14g grip.
Grafil Injection
Legend
My Thailand Whisper (size 3) is 338g with 16g grip, so about 320g unstrung. And 32.5cm balance. Not sure if they had a leather grip originally, which would make it about 345g, 32cm balance. It's possible with the usual variability and size 2s being lighter, that yours is in the same range as mine. But not the 30g difference of your Response.
Here's the placard for that, showing that the light ones weren't mistakes. Note 33cm frame balance (which implies unstrung like the 305g weight), so 34cm balance, 320g was the target strung spec. That would be very rare for a mid-90s Players stick, and unusual to have different versions at inception, unless it was clearly marked 'lady' or similar. A US/UK placard would show SL weights if that were an option rather than 'average weight'. So an Asia release seems most likely to me, given the placard doesn't even mention any other varieties. An English placard would be fairly normal in many Asian markets, and I guess travel was allowed back then. It would be odd for the US to have a 305g unstrung model briefly, since the Graphite II before and PPRTi after were both around 340g strung, or were they also lighter in the US?
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emkayenaim
Rookie
23mm straight beam.
Also there was a Vendetta DB (late 2000s) with specs similar to TT Warrior MP (kinda wish they remake this).
wedge
Semi-Pro
My Thailand Whisper (size 3) is 338g with 16g grip, so about 320g unstrung. And 32.5cm balance. Not sure if they had a leather grip originally, which would make it about 345g, 32cm balance. It's possible with the usual variability and size 2s being lighter, that yours is in the same range as mine. But not the 30g difference of your Response.
Here's the placard for that, showing that the light ones weren't mistakes. Note 33cm frame balance (which implies unstrung like the 305g weight), so 34cm balance, 320g was the target strung spec. That would be very rare for a mid-90s Players stick, and unusual to have different versions at inception, unless it was clearly marked 'lady' or similar. A US/UK placard would show SL weights if that were an option rather than 'average weight'. So an Asia release seems most likely to me, given the placard doesn't even mention any other varieties. An English placard would be fairly normal in many Asian markets, and I guess travel was allowed back then. It would be odd for the US to have a 305g unstrung model briefly, since the Graphite II before and PPRTi after were both around 340g strung, or were they also lighter in the US?
Very interesting, and love to see the placard!
Speaking of surprising specs, just found this beast of a thing:
The 338g is without a grip -- 347 swing weight is the heaviest-swinging standard-length Revelation-era Dunlop I've ever recorded. (The extended lengths get super stupid, I have a Superlong +2 that's 384). Anyone have any info about this Quake 10.0?
Also, anyone know anything about the "Babolat VS Titanium Gut" it's strung with? Feels miserable but sure looks good!
kevin qmto
Legend
That’s the highest seingweight I’ve seen besides my 90’s Black Max Widebody came in at 361SW, higher than its static weight of 350g!Very interesting, and love to see the placard!
Speaking of surprising specs, just found this beast of a thing:
The 338g is without a grip -- 347 swing weight is the heaviest-swinging standard-length Revelation-era Dunlop I've ever recorded. (The extended lengths get super stupid, I have a Superlong +2 that's 384). Anyone have any info about this Quake 10.0?
Also, anyone know anything about the "Babolat VS Titanium Gut" it's strung with? Feels miserable but sure looks good!
Think that’s a widebody targeted string from the time the whole industry was like “stiffer is better”.
Grafil Injection
Legend
Very interesting, and love to see the placard!
Speaking of surprising specs, just found this beast of a thing:
The 338g is without a grip -- 347 swing weight is the heaviest-swinging standard-length Revelation-era Dunlop I've ever recorded. (The extended lengths get super stupid, I have a Superlong +2 that's 384). Anyone have any info about this Quake 10.0?
Also, anyone know anything about the "Babolat VS Titanium Gut" it's strung with? Feels miserable but sure looks good!
Never hit with your Quake or @kevin 8.2, but they seem to have the same mould as the Mid-Profile which is also very beefy. Mine is probably the most stable modern racket I have. Makes an RF97 feel like a wimpy tweener, and makes you feel sorry for the tennis ball!
kevin qmto
Legend
Lastly on this subject. I found a NOS listing on the bay (seller based in USA) with a different placard, also an earlier copyright date of 1994. You can’t tell by this photo, but the racket matches mine aesthetically. And these specs line up with my MP model. Sorry if it’s hard to read, gotta zoom in.
Also, it’s funny how many different brands all claimed to be “The Number 1 Brand in Tennis.” over the years. Donnay, Pro Kennex, Prince, Wilson… I think Head used to say they were #1 on the ATP tour, as in having the highest percentage of top players using their frames. did these brands have actual data to back this up? did any of them say it at the same time? or did they all take turns lol?
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Grafil Injection
Legend
I haven't got time to check the location of all the users with 340g+ models in the dozens of other threads, but given that TW and T-Express videos also say 340g strung, it looks like there were two versions in the US from the start, which is very weird. Or, since NOS is usually an Asia market derived racket, being close to the source of the rackets, I guess there were a lot of imports over the years. We shouldn't forget that the 90s-00s were the height of the slightly grey market.
kevin qmto
Legend
Right, wasn’t trying to say you were wrong or anything. Just saying the lighter ones weren’t some outlier or super under-spec examples.
