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Yes indeed it’s that frame. Definitely one I’d throw in my “what rackets would you save if an unstoppable bulldozer was slowly making its way toward your house and you had 3 mins to pack” bag.
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Look at this jerks answer. Yeah right, 'Fischer Superform Open Lite' weighs 1 pound?!?
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He doesn't know I'm not buying. Plus, it's about building good rapport with customers! I might choose to buy something else from them in the future. I've already done that many times before: ask a sales person to help me with something insignificant, and if they turn out to be courteous and competent, I reword them with a lavish purchase.Honestly - I think asking questions with no intention of buying is actually a kind of a jerk move.
If I was a seller and someone asked me - "Would you please be kind enough to measure actual weight of the racket on a kitchen scale?" - I would do it for them especially for a item of this price.
Additionally - Seller probably knows little to nothing about tennis and has weights written down and rounded up for shipping (like Amzon and other online sellers have to basically every product). And so they sent that number to you.
Honestly - I think asking questions with no intention of buying is actually a kind of a jerk move.
If I was a seller and someone asked me - "Would you please be kind enough to measure actual weight of the racket on a kitchen scale?" - I would do it for them especially for a item of this price.
Additionally - Seller probably knows little to nothing about tennis and has weights written down and rounded up for shipping (like Amzon and other online sellers have to basically every product). And so they sent that number to you.
He doesn't know I'm not buying. Plus, it's about building good rapport with customers! I might choose to buy something else from them in the future. I've already done that many times before: ask a sales person to help me with something insignificant, and if they turn out to be courteous and competent, I reword them with a lavish purchase.
Actually, just a few days ago, I went inside this local bookshop to buy a single green permanent marker. When I reached to get my VISA out of my pocket, I've realized I left it in my other pants. I asked the salesman if I could pay tomorrow, since I'm in a hurry to paint over a couple of dots (where paint was chipped) on a vintage Artis, because I wanted to give it as a gift to my brother (who likes keeping things as souvenirs, and doesn't play tennis, but loves color green). The salesman said:"OK, no problem." Latter that day, after noticing I still have enough time on my hands, I decided to go back to the same bookshop, but now with my VISA locked and loaded. I ended up buying merchandise for 10 times the value, besides that marker.
@wedge I don't always take requests from the crowd, but here's a video I made just for you. Do not share it with anyone. Sharing is a form of theft.
The Prince Zone 110 is a bit on the hefty size if one picks it up thinking it's going to be a cheap alternative to the modern Prince Phantom OS. It can seem a bit slow through the air when starting out but I adapted and found my range with it pretty quickly. half-volley pickups were particularly nice. As with a lot of box beam OS frames, I found it a bit harder to hit flat serves with it, but it still was very well controlled in basically all aspects. Teeing off on forehands felt great. Slices tended to float a tad bit, but overall very nice.
The Pro Staff 4.5 was a pleasant surprise. I'm sure the stiffness could cause issues if used every day but for a one off it did itself proud I think. Backhands instantly had more pace on them, without sacrificing any perceptible control. the 18-20 pattern seemed to have a similar launch angle to the Prince, so adjusting took no time at all. Absolutely takes the cover off the ball when you step in and swing out. To think the Zone and this came out less than 2 years apart is eye-opening. About the only thing the PS 4.5 does worse than the Zone 110 is touch shots, but when you're attacking every ball, why bother with those anyway? The Prince Topspin strings in the PS 4.5 were tight enough that they basically did not move whatsoever, even after about 30 mins of rallying. The Zone's required moderate adjustment, and is probably strung about 5-10lbs lighter.
Dang guys, my thrift shops don't have anything like these gorgeous racquets lol. I'm jealous.
@wedge I don't always take requests from the crowd, but here's a video I made just for you. Do not share it with anyone. Sharing is a form of theft.
The Prince Zone 110 is a bit on the hefty size if one picks it up thinking it's going to be a cheap alternative to the modern Prince Phantom OS. It can seem a bit slow through the air when starting out but I adapted and found my range with it pretty quickly. half-volley pickups were particularly nice. As with a lot of box beam OS frames, I found it a bit harder to hit flat serves with it, but it still was very well controlled in basically all aspects. Teeing off on forehands felt great. Slices tended to float a tad bit, but overall very nice.
The Pro Staff 4.5 was a pleasant surprise. I'm sure the stiffness could cause issues if used every day but for a one off it did itself proud I think. Backhands instantly had more pace on them, without sacrificing any perceptible control. the 18-20 pattern seemed to have a similar launch angle to the Prince, so adjusting took no time at all. Absolutely takes the cover off the ball when you step in and swing out. To think the Zone and this came out less than 2 years apart is eye-opening. About the only thing the PS 4.5 does worse than the Zone 110 is touch shots, but when you're attacking every ball, why bother with those anyway? The Prince Topspin strings in the PS 4.5 were tight enough that they basically did not move whatsoever, even after about 30 mins of rallying. The Zone's required moderate adjustment, and is probably strung about 5-10lbs lighter.
I went to 4 stores yesterday and got nothing but cracked and uselss big box crap. Ive been to goodwill about a 100 times in total (because of this thread) and netted 6 rackets, 3 were total crap but I felt so bad for myself I bought them anyway. If I valued the time spent then these 3 good rackets are really really expensive.
Not everyone here has @kevin qmto and @wedge luck because they are in special parts of USA with excess supply of people dumping tennis rackets to thrift stores.
Here's a somewhat fascinating find from a few days ago ... looked like a normal Dunlop Super Revelation with its holiday themed red and white paint. But across the bridge it said DEMONSTRATOR.
I assumed at first this meant it was intended as a demo racket. But when I removed the grip I saw that this was molded with a clear acrylic handle to show off the two-piece Revelation system.
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Looking forward to cleaning it completely and polishing it up. But after so many years of enjoying that slick, somewhat disconnected feeling of Revelation frames, it's nifty to see the system in action.
I gave you a thumbs-up even though I can't see anything, because I'm hoping you can find another image viewer site? I can never see the IMGbb files, but would be cool to see the ISIS pieces if possible?
Well it would be lovely if the year would changeover from 1997 to 1998 and I could finally post images directly to the forum, instead of handing off personal photos to third parties who do who-knows-what with them
@Grafil Injection Is there a different image hoster you recommend? Happy to repost elsewhere, it's a very cool frame that I think you'd appreciate.
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I'm curious if this clear acrylic construction affects play at all. It's been pretty well used by the previous owner, they clearly had no issue. But I don't have a great read on what a Super Revelation ought to feel like.
You know, now that I sit down and really think about it, Dunlop really went all-in with their tech and gimmickry, however legitimate it was or wasn't. Every other major manufacturer just nibbles around the edges with their innovation gubbins but boy did Dunlop go for it. I kinda wonder if their experience with ISIS handles is what gave them the werewithal to try the iDapt.
I was forced to be vague as when I checked my running racket stat log on my phone, I’d forgotten to weigh it…. I’m betting it’s around. 358g strung. Will update with actual weight.If you can take the time to write all this, you can take the time to write more than "What's the weight?"
I'm tweaking your nose a bit here, but a please and thank you and a little specificity as to what exactly you're asking for goes a long way.
@kevin qmto at this point I'm quite convinced we could hand you a cardboard paper towel tube and you could win a set with it!
I promise not to watch your powerful forehand too closely, lest I unconsciously begin to copy it. That too would be a form of theft.
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Paint job is kind of gray on the left side and blue on the right. No idea on specs, although it is 26.75 inches long rather than 27 inches.
@Grafil InjectionIf you can take the time to write all this, you can take the time to write more than "What's the weight?"
I'm tweaking your nose a bit here, but a please and thank you and a little specificity as to what exactly you're asking for goes a long way.
@kevin qmto at this point I'm quite convinced we could hand you a cardboard paper towel tube and you could win a set with it!
I promise not to watch your powerful forehand too closely, lest I unconsciously begin to copy it. That too would be a form of theft.
@Grafil Injection
Oh, those are just cultural differences. Here in Serbia, we are fortunate to the degree this disease, disguised behind words politeness and niceness, hasn't caught on as much. From my experience, so often what's behind it, is this cold, arrogant, cowardly, emotionally distant, way of going the extra mile to make sure you don't actually engage with another person as a human being.
Don't worry, it does take time, but you'll get there eventually!But the seller you asked the question of is located here in California.
Interpersonal enlightenment hasn't yet reached us over here yet -- out here we're still dishonestly nice to each other to mask our cold arrogance -- so I would suspect that this American seller interpreted your warm, genuine human engagement as rudeness.
You gotta go easy on us bro!
Don't worry, it does take time, but you'll get there eventually!
Wait, what? You really think he did put the racquet on a scale, and it measured 1 pound??? He was obviously lying, and yet I'm the one being rude and immature?!?Ah okay I misinterpreted you -- didn't realize you were actually trolling.
You were rude and immature to this seller and I can't imagine anyone else on this forum finds it very funny. Just FYI, take that how you like.
Ok, just weighed it, the Zone 110 (with 4 1/2 grip) is precisely 352g strungIf you can take the time to write all this, you can take the time to write more than "What's the weight?"
I'm tweaking your nose a bit here, but a please and thank you and a little specificity as to what exactly you're asking for goes a long way.
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I'm curious if this clear acrylic construction affects play at all. It's been pretty well used by the previous owner, they clearly had no issue. But I don't have a great read on what a Super Revelation ought to feel like.
You know, now that I sit down and really think about it, Dunlop really went all-in with their tech and gimmickry, however legitimate it was or wasn't. Every other major manufacturer just nibbles around the edges with their innovation gubbins but boy did Dunlop go for it. I kinda wonder if their experience with ISIS handles is what gave them the werewithal to try the iDapt.
I noticed on another thread that Mr Angell indicated that the acrylic cover was applied as standard on the last ISIS models from 2002, so I guess the weight / balance and playability should be normal.
Sorry accidental post I don’t have anything to say really I thought I did at first so I quoted the post and then hit the post reply button by accident. Please forgive me.So far, on this forum, I don't think I've used the word 'please' even once. And yet, I'm pretty sure that an honest assessment of all my previous exchanges with other members, would find them to be nothing but cordial and polite! On top of that, I was very generous with my time by answering every single one of their question. I'm only prepared to use the 'p' word if I really needed something, and would be at least somewhat indebted for the other person's generosity. Playtesting vintage racquets is a hobby I do for fun. It is, as they would call it, 'cherry on top'. So, I don't really need any information being provided on this forum. Therefore, when it was time for me to ask another member a question, I did it causally. If they kindly responded, then great, we get the ball rolling. And if not, then I don't give a f**k!
My position on the niceties is the same as on profanity. Both should not be overused, because then the meaning gets watered down.
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Why not hit with them? Breaking old strings is fun! Provided the rest of the frame doesn’t break with it!
Because ive never been too happy with the results... fresh strings give me the greatest chance to like a classic and many times unloved at the time frame - yes I am easily impressed.
Most people dismiss old rackets use them old strings and cannot appreciate how good they can be properly setup with fresh strings. I was hanging with a 4.0 "heavy hitter" with my Prince Pre-Classic 110... As fun as co-operative/competitive rallying can be. Some old rackets have poly so there is no choice.
I told him he sucked because I was using Pam Shrivers frame from 50 years ago with worse strings than she probably did
I string myself and Kirshbaum Syngut only costs like $2/set and some rackets example Prince Classic I even like basic Nylon for $1.5/set. Even poly/poly hybrids can be as low as $2.5/set. So I have no real excuses.
I look forward to hearing how the A-Player hits with fresh strings. Still thinking about restringing my V-24, probably with Tournament Nylon 1.38 because the string-bed is so open.
Got stood up at the courts tonight. Hope nothing bad happened to my partner.![]()
I will probably get around to giving it a hit at some point ...but expectations are not running highWhat a result! The PSC looks in great condition. Always wondered what a Slazenger Ambassador hit like?
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