Thats your opinion of the film. Fair enough. Its safe to say that a lot of who watched Crouching Tiger appreciated the movie. But if you walk into a cinema to watch a wuxia film and storm off because its doing what is inherent in a genre, sorry , thats just ignorant. If you hate a certain genre, thats fine. Its like going to see the Godfather and leaving because theres too much shooting. Duh!!!!!
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Thats your opinion of the film. Fair enough. Its safe to say that a lot of who watched Crouching Tiger appreciated the movie. But if you walk into a cinema to watch a wuxia film and storm off because its doing what is inherent in a genre, sorry , thats just ignorant. If you hate a certain genre, thats fine. Its like going to see the Godfather and leaving because theres too much shooting. Duh!!!!!
Lol youve been throwing that line a couple of times and nailing the coffin, fact remains you chose to be ignorant even when you are spoonfed the information. Not liking something is ok, at least it implies thought. Failing to understand however is totally different.
So much for your last post on this topic...
But anyway, now I understand that this stupidity is apparently some sort of genre, and these kind of movies have been done before. Ignorance cured! But knowing that didn't make me think that clip was any less silly, nor will I watch this kind of crap voluntarily in the future now that I have this knowledge. Alas, I'm no longer a 10 year old boy, so fail to see the appeal of such inanity...
Do you think I was unaware of this when I used the line with you? That's what the "now" signified.
Breaking a promise of a last post is outweighed by curing ignorance. All is well. My appreciation for finally knowing of a genre that has been around for multiple decades. Or at least admitting to it.
mightyrick
Legend
If shocking the audience out of the story/experience is a charateristic of the wuxia genre, then it is safe to say I don't see greatness in the genre. That isn't to say that I don't enjoy some movies that have the characteristic of shocking the audience out of the story. However, none of them will ever be great movies.
Here's some movies that shock the audience out of the story:
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (directed by Ang Lee) - shocks through crazy outrageous fight scenes
Borat (directed by Larry Charles) - shocks through crazy outrageous bane humor/slapstick
Smokey and the Bandit (directed by Hal Needham) - shocks through actors talking directly into the camera
All of these movies I thought were okay. All of them were true to their "genre". But none of them will be great.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Always thought Smokey and the Bandit was under rated. Far better than Annie Hall. Except this scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPcSd7DDLk
Im pretty sure The Godfather was not as well appreciated in Beijing than it was in NYC.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
See it anyway.
Don't be silly. The Godfather is a widely acknowledged and beloved film all over America, and perhaps the world, and won numerous academy awards.
If you like kid movies, fine. I like ones for grown ups. And Borat.
Please be reminded that America doesn't comprise the world, there is a vast array of cultures and sensibilities outside of it.
Yeah at least as a kid I had an awareness of this genre that somebody like you is even having a hard time grasping at your middle age. Growing up in the Philippines, I saw a lot of this wuxia variety and later on I had to catch up on the Kurosawas and Hitchcocks and Ozus and the other films that was not readily available to me at that time. Westerns are probably my least favorite but I watch them and take them the way it's intended.
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America dominates the film industry. Not only that, I'm pretty sure the Godfather has done very well the world over.
So? I'm sure you're aware of all sorts of things popular in the Philippines that I've never heard of.
And I wouldn't say I have a "hard time grasping" the genre. It seems simple enough when explained. And still stupid.
I don't like Westerns myself. Familiarity with a genre doesn't automatically make it a worthwhile.
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I don't think I have ever questioned the credentials of The Godfather.
CTHD is supid, that's an opinion. What is a fact though is your display of stubbornness or your failure to understand the wuxia genre even if it was explained to you multiple times. That's not lack of taste, that's a comprehension failure.
Familiarity doesn't equal being wothwhile but knowing a genre makes you appreciate the movie better. Don't you think?
Of course you did. You implied it was a parochial film that wouldn't play as well outside of NYC.
What am I failing to understand? You guys tell me there is a long history of these movies where people suddenly start flying or doing any other non-sensical things. I believe you. I get it -- this movie is within that genre. Great. Now I'm in the loop. And I still think it's silly.
I think the comprehension failure is on your end, not mine.
No. As mentioned before, a good movie shouldn't need you to rely on any sort of existing appreciation for its particlar genre. It should stand on its own.
One might even argue that familiarity with a genre might make you more critical of a film, not less, since you've seen it done many times before, and perhaps better.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Batman Begins gets no love for being a really outstanding movie. I guess they made one even MORE outstanding that completely overshadowed it. But yes, Batman Begins should be added.
10ACE
Professional
Too tough, too many necessary lists- too many precursors.
The Godfather, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, The Natural, Blazing Saddles, Cool Hand Luke, Usual Suspects, Big Lebowski, Scarface, Rearview mirror, Shawshank Redemption, Goodfellas, Step Brothers, Silence of the Lambs, Platoon, Wall Street, Goonies, Back to the Future, 16 Candles, Breakfast club, Ferris Bueller ,Weird Science, Caddyshack, Beverly Hills Cop, Rising Sun, Big, Trading Places, Fantasia,Taxi Driver,....Too hard
The Godfather, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, The Natural, Blazing Saddles, Cool Hand Luke, Usual Suspects, Big Lebowski, Scarface, Rearview mirror, Shawshank Redemption, Goodfellas, Step Brothers, Silence of the Lambs, Platoon, Wall Street, Goonies, Back to the Future, 16 Candles, Breakfast club, Ferris Bueller ,Weird Science, Caddyshack, Beverly Hills Cop, Rising Sun, Big, Trading Places, Fantasia,Taxi Driver,....Too hard
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JustBob
Hall of Fame
heycal said:
Of course, even though you thoroughly displayed your ignorance on this topic, you still insist that you can't possibly be wrong and that the film/genre is therefore inane and stupid. Fascinating... You'd post this stuff (or the silliness you posted about subtitles) on a movie forum and you get ridiculed and ripped to shreds. Honestly, I've seen my share of "argumentative types who have to be right on the internet" but boy, you're in a class all by yourself. It's like watching Borat doing a parody of the dumb ignorant American stereotype...
F-T-S
Rookie
I thought Batman Begins was sooo much better.
I'm not sure how you missed the part of the thread where you lost this argument already, and badly. Not only have we demonstrated that one shouldn't have to be familiar with a genre to appreciate a film -- a good film should stand on its own -- but those who ARE familiar with this genre agreed this particularly movie was silly.
CTHD is guilty as charged. Next case!
JustBob
Hall of Fame
Yeah, I lost the argument... Says the guy who saw 20 min of said genre, walked out, and decided it was stupid. And now the nonsensical arguments are taken to new heights with "Good Art has to be universal!". Obviously, there are no specific genre conventions, no country specific cultural and social context, traditions and references. In order for films to be great, they need to appeal to the lowest common denominator! German expressionism, the Surrealist movement, the French New Wave, the Panic movement, etc... etc... etc... One should be able to grasp all the intricacies of Bunuel, Resnais, Godard, Jodorowsky, Ozu, Tarkovsky,... from the get go! Knowledge and understanding not required! Might as well close all the Art departments at Universities since they are obviously useless...
So yeah, brilliant argument!
Here's a hint (one more time): "like/dislike" does not equal to "good/bad" when it comes to the evaluation of film as art.
Somehow, I get the feeling this will all go 1,000 feet over your head...
So yeah, brilliant argument!
Here's a hint (one more time): "like/dislike" does not equal to "good/bad" when it comes to the evaluation of film as art.
Somehow, I get the feeling this will all go 1,000 feet over your head...
This was my impression as well - this is an okay movie that was crammed down audiences as a Western ode (I know Ang Lee is Taiwanese, but he is someone who been in the US for to 30+years) to Chinese culture when better Chinese movies were already made (movies with a better story, effects, etc). I am rather partial to "Hero."
MY favorite movie is Groundhog Day. I just cannot resist watching it if I catch it on. I love any movie in which a character grows in the face of defeat to persevere in the end.
mightyrick
Legend
Good pick. That movie is genius on a lot of levels.
JustBob
Hall of Fame
Well yes, "Hero" is a better film and CTHD was somewhat "Westernized" to introduce the genre to Western audiences. Some wukia purists don't like it much but it still maintains the core genre conventions. And yet, some claim that it's not "universal" enough. Imagine the reactions if the genre had been introduced with "Hero"...
If one needs a PHd in art to appreciate a movie, the movie has a problem...
One can appreciate other genres without previous knowledge of them. Besides, the other poster who did have a previous knowledge of this genre agreed with my assessment of the film. It seems it was stupid whether you were familiar with the genre or not. There's your "universality" for ya!
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
The movie (CTHD) got tons hype. I thought it was OK at best. Never quite understood why people thought it was so great. Maybe thats a big reason why I didnt like it as much. Had I seen it with no hype it would have been bvetween OK and Good, but never great.
I know nothing of this wukia genre you speak of, but if CTHD is that genre i will avoid those types of movies. It was hard for me to take the movie serious, and I could tell they wanted it to be taken serious with all the flying and whatnot.
Kung-Fu Hustle is about as fake as it gets but that movie is great.
And the Fast and Furious series are the dumbest pice of crap movies ever made. But for somereason they throw crappy actors and over the top fake car scene in it and they are highly enjoyable.
I will look this hero movie up netflix and see if they have it.
I know nothing of this wukia genre you speak of, but if CTHD is that genre i will avoid those types of movies. It was hard for me to take the movie serious, and I could tell they wanted it to be taken serious with all the flying and whatnot.
Kung-Fu Hustle is about as fake as it gets but that movie is great.
And the Fast and Furious series are the dumbest pice of crap movies ever made. But for somereason they throw crappy actors and over the top fake car scene in it and they are highly enjoyable.
I will look this hero movie up netflix and see if they have it.
5555
Hall of Fame
2001: A Space Odyssey with Pink Floyd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aunoKAz6Mc
zak425
Semi-Pro
I was bored at work one day and wrote down my top ten favorites. I now cant remember them all but a few were, Half Nelson, Groundhogs Day, The Shining, The Purple Rose of Cairo, Raging Bull, Life is Beautiful, North by Northwest, and Thin Red Line.
My tastes are pretty sprawling and there are for sure some directors that no matter what they put out, I will enjoy in some way. I.E. Woody's films from like 1990 on. I know that a lot of them are derivative of each other, and he recycles material of his own, but I am always interested in the new way he presents things and I'll gladly keep seeing his films in theatres till hes dead or retired
My tastes are pretty sprawling and there are for sure some directors that no matter what they put out, I will enjoy in some way. I.E. Woody's films from like 1990 on. I know that a lot of them are derivative of each other, and he recycles material of his own, but I am always interested in the new way he presents things and I'll gladly keep seeing his films in theatres till hes dead or retired
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Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Easy, pick movies with either Mick Jagger or those green guys from Vancouver. Best flicks ever.
Li Ching Yuen
Legend
The Lives of Others
Mentions:
House of Sand and Fog
L.A. Confidential
Se7en
The Reader
The Wrestler
The Man Who Wasnt There
The Prestige
The Shawshank Redemption
The Godfather
Pulp Fiction
The Departed
Schindler List
The Big Lebowski
Forrest Gump
The Usual Suspects
There Will Be Blood
WALL E
Fargo
Mentions:
House of Sand and Fog
L.A. Confidential
Se7en
The Reader
The Wrestler
The Man Who Wasnt There
The Prestige
The Shawshank Redemption
The Godfather
Pulp Fiction
The Departed
Schindler List
The Big Lebowski
Forrest Gump
The Usual Suspects
There Will Be Blood
WALL E
Fargo
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Whats good about them?
Mick
Legend
they are very unpredictable for instance, in jackie brown, one of the big stars got killed right away. they all got good story line, dialogues, are funny and quentin tarantino always selects the best music for his films.
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Relative to what kind of movies?
Mick
Legend
the standard hollywood movies where the plots are so predictable, you know what is going happen from the start for instance the james bond movies, the jason borne movies, the transporter movies, etc ...
tarantino even kills off hitler in his movie even though that's not what happened in real life. when asked, he said anything was possible in a movie
OldButGame
Hall of Fame
"Dusk Till Dawn ' comes to mind,...that was great !!!!!!
zak425
Semi-Pro
"Dusk Till Dawn ' comes to mind,...that was great !!!!!!
That was actually a Robert Rodriguez film if I am not mistaken. But it's easy to get them confused they basically do the same thing, although Tarantino is much better at it
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
the standard hollywood movies where the plots are so predictable, you know what is going happen from the start for instance the james bond movies, the jason borne movies, the transporter movies, etc ...
tarantino even kills off hitler in his movie even though that's not what happened in real life. when asked, he said anything was possible in a movie
Ok, sounds promising.
If you like movies that have unpredictable plots and twists and torns you would like the Spanish director Luis Bunuels films. They are really special and challenge you to the maximum and beyond.
http://www.luisbunuel.com/
What Dreams May Come is on my list of favorites.
