Best natural gut currently

IowaGuy

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A number of years ago I checked out the various natural gut options. I found that each had one negative or another.

However, once I found Pacific Tough Gut 16, I never looked back. It's been extremely consistent over the years in its playability, durability and tension holding. I string it in the mains with Gosen Micro 16 in the crosses.

Once I notice any type of fraying, I use the Babolat string savers. Note that I'm generally not a string breaker.

I just noticed that its not listed right now at TW. I hope this is just temporary. I still have a few sets left.
Did you ever compare ToughGut 16 to 16L?

I have only used ToughGut 16L, as I feel that I might lose too much spin going to 16...
 
Did you ever compare ToughGut 16 to 16L?

I have only used ToughGut 16L, as I feel that I might lose too much spin going to 16...
I believe I may have tried 16L and 17, but if so, that was a number of years ago and I don't recall my impression of them. I basically settled on 16 and have stuck with it.
 

McLovin

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A number of years ago I checked out the various natural gut options. I found that each had one negative or another.

However, once I found Pacific Tough Gut 16, I never looked back.
The only 'negative' of Tough Gut is that, on occasion, it can be extremely hard to find.
 

Nostradamus

Talk Tennis Guru
Is natural guts on sale at TW ? seems like this is a great time to get them but I am afraid I might get addiction to it and have to call Nattyanonymous...
 
Hi all I have been hitting with the 1.30 version of Luxilon's Gut for the past 6 weeks now? I string at 61 lbs full bed in my DR 98 which seems to be a good tension. I have gone undefeated this season at the 5.0 level in my league. It start's off a bit crisp but settles in nicely. I think putting coconut oil on after hitting sessions makes a big difference and helps the strings snapback. I went a couple days without putting coconut oil and noticed a slight difference in the playability. With coconut oil my strings stay straight and i only have to move them a couple times over a 2 hour session. I play about 8-10 hours a week on hardcourts. I play a counter punching style with a 1HBH, think Suarez Navarro or Rochus. I get more than enough topspin and the durability is really impressive for a natural gut.

Also TW has it on sale for $22 a pack if you buy 3 this week!
 
I'm still struggling to find a tension for the Lux NG 1.30 that won't loosen up too much before the string breaks. I did 61 lbs in my DR 98 and now after 2 months it's a bit too loose for me to feel confident in a match playing with it. I play 3-4 times a week so I definitely got my money's worth, but I don't like cutting out unbroken gut. Haha. Going to try 63 lbs next time. Am i asking for too much or should I just be happy I'm getting 2 months out of NG? Lol.
 

IowaGuy

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I'm still struggling to find a tension for the Lux NG 1.30 that won't loosen up too much before the string breaks. I did 61 lbs in my DR 98 and now after 2 months it's a bit too loose for me to feel confident in a match playing with it. I play 3-4 times a week so I definitely got my money's worth, but I don't like cutting out unbroken gut. Haha. Going to try 63 lbs next time. Am i asking for too much or should I just be happy I'm getting 2 months out of NG? Lol.
Are you tracking the tension loss somehow?

I've been using RacquetTune to track my nat gut tension loss from the moment it is strung to when it sags out or breaks.

It's also a good way to know what your preferred playing tension is.

I've been experimenting with trying to "seat in" the knots a little bit before ever hitting with the racket, by carefully supporting the frame of the racket flat on my rug and carefully stepping on the strings. This drops the tension by a pound or so when fresh off the stringing machine.

I've also been experimenting with then leaving the gut in for a few weeks before ever hitting with it, so that it has experienced more tension drop before playing. That way it (hopefully) doesn't drop as much during the 20+ hours that I'm going to hit with it.

My theory is, the more I can get the tension dropped/stabilized before ever playing with it, the smaller the tension drop will be during my playing timeframe (a month or so).

Food for thought...
 
If you use an eCP, you can do either a 5% prestretch or you can also prestretch manually. If you use any CP stringer, you can also pull for longer periods at ref tension to remove static tension losses. NG stretches under tension. Pulling longer allows the string to stretch more but at ref tension. I don't bother with the % prestretch for other reasons.
 

IowaGuy

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If you use an eCP, you can do either a 5% prestretch or you can also prestretch manually. If you use any CP stringer, you can also pull for longer periods at ref tension to remove static tension losses. NG stretches under tension. Pulling longer allows the string to stretch more but at ref tension. I don't bother with the % prestretch for other reasons.
I really need to invest in a stringing machine!

My stringer pre-stretches manually...
 

IowaGuy

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If you use an eCP, you can do either a 5% prestretch or you can also prestretch manually. If you use any CP stringer, you can also pull for longer periods at ref tension to remove static tension losses. NG stretches under tension. Pulling longer allows the string to stretch more but at ref tension. I don't bother with the % prestretch for other reasons.
Would there be any difference between one-piece and two-piece full-bed natural gut stringjobs, with regards to tension loss?
 
Are you tracking the tension loss somehow?

I've been using RacquetTune to track my nat gut tension loss from the moment it is strung to when it sags out or breaks.

It's also a good way to know what your preferred playing tension is.

I've been experimenting with trying to "seat in" the knots a little bit before ever hitting with the racket, by carefully supporting the frame of the racket flat on my rug and carefully stepping on the strings. This drops the tension by a pound or so when fresh off the stringing machine.

I've also been experimenting with then leaving the gut in for a few weeks before ever hitting with it, so that it has experienced more tension drop before playing. That way it (hopefully) doesn't drop as much during the 20+ hours that I'm going to hit with it.

My theory is, the more I can get the tension dropped/stabilized before ever playing with it, the smaller the tension drop will be during my playing timeframe (a month or so).

Food for thought...
I normally play with it right off the stringer, but I will try your suggestion and let it sit 24-48 hours before playing.

I had it strung at 61 lbs on a electronic stringing machine 2 months ago and right now the tension says 48.8 lbs on RacquetTune. However I did play with it right off the stringer and I played with it when it was lightly misting so i don't know if the moisture made the tension drop a bit.

So I will try 61 lbs again and let it sit a day or two before hitting with it, and I won't play with it in the rain anymore.
 
Ok I lied, I strung my other DR 98 at 63 lbs. Waited 24 hours and hit with it today. Really liked the extra control and it didn't feel stiff or anything compared to 61 lbs. This is Lux NG 1.30

I checked RacquetTune today on both of my rackets and the one that was just strung at 63 lbs yesterday read 62.2 lbs (very accurate i was shocked)

The racket I've been playing with for two months that was initially strung at 61 lbs read 48.0 lbs which is a bit on the looser side. I can still play with it, but every now and then I get one that sails long. I'm thinking my preferred range would be 53-55 lbs once everything is settled.

I'm just glad Lux NG was on sale recently so i can play around with tensions :)

Also I said earlier in this thread Lux NG needs to be strung looser than pre-BT7 gut (old wilson) 3-4 lbs, however I think you can string it at the same tension and be ok
 
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Hit for 2 hours today and RacquetTune is saying 60.0 lbs (initally strung at 63). It's holding up so far :) I have a match Wednesday so im hoping I can loosen it up a bit to 57-58 by hitting with it some more before then as it's still a bit stiff, but much better control than playing with my older racket which is at 48 lbs from the tension loss.

Strangely though I had one of my students use my old racket (the one I've hit with for the past 2-3 months and reads 48 lbs on RacquetTune with full bed Lux NG 1.30) and she loved it. I'm trying to convert her to natural gut in 2019 and see how her game does.
 
Racket reads 58.2 pounds after about 10 hours of play (LUX NG 1.30 initially strung at 63 lbs). I played my match today and won in straight sets. I like how the racket is playing at this tension. Hopefully 63 lbs is my magic number and i can play with this racket until it breaks ;)

After playing with Lux NG for some time now I can safely say Lux NG is very similar to the old wilson (pre-BT7) perhaps even better due to the extra spin, durability, ease of stringing & price, and for $22 a pack it's a no brainer. (if you got it on sale)
 
So i haven't played since the last time I posted here which was 4 days ago...I went out and hit today for 2 hours.

Came home and now the racket is reading 55.4 lbs on RacquetTune. I'm wondering what made the tension drop so much from 58.2 on Saturday,

Anyways It's still playable which is the main thing, my fear is if it drops below 50 lbs i have to start adjusting stuff for control.
 

IowaGuy

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So i haven't played since the last time I posted here which was 4 days ago...I went out and hit today for 2 hours.

Came home and now the racket is reading 55.4 lbs on RacquetTune. I'm wondering what made the tension drop so much from 58.2 on Saturday,

Anyways It's still playable which is the main thing, my fear is if it drops below 50 lbs i have to start adjusting stuff for control.
That does seem like a big drop, considering you already had 10 hours on the string.

Same temp in your house as when you tested it before? (I've noticed changes in temp can have an effect on RacquetTune).
 
That does seem like a big drop, considering you already had 10 hours on the string.

Same temp in your house as when you tested it before? (I've noticed changes in temp can have an effect on RacquetTune).
I played 6 more hours and checked the tension today and now it's back to 58.2 lbs so maybe you're right about the temperature.
 
My rackets have been jumping back and forth a pound or two this winter!
I'm down to 54.9 lbs after hitting about 8 more hours since my last post. Starting to lose a bit of control. It's fine against some of my students, but when I hit against my hitting partner who is a strong 5.0 I don't feel as confident hitting out.

Initially strung on Dec 22, 2018 at 63 lbs, RacquetTune at 54.9 lbs after 25 hours.

I may need to go 66 lbs next time. The strings aren't even close to breaking.
 

IowaGuy

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The strings aren't even close to breaking.
You could also consider installing a few string savers to "tighten up" the stringbed, since your strings aren't close to breaking. Might be a way to extend the life of your stringjob?

I play with lots of stringsavers preventatively from the get-go (the entire sweet spot), to keep the crosses from sawing through the mains. I really like the firmer feel that string savers give a full bed of gut...https://careers.upmc.com/jobs/3374582-acupuncturist
 
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