Best natural gut currently

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dnguyen

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aaron_h27 said:
The problem for me as I went higher in tension the strings snapped faster. It strings up fine, but 60 lbs would get me 4 weeks of play where as 65-66 lbs I would get one week before breaking. But, it could be a grommet issue so ill report back.

Tried out gut/poly again, just blah. Doesn't give me more spin or control, less feel too. Poly just makes everything bad. I'm testing out Luxilon NG 1.30 / YPTP 1.25 and it's just horrible. I don't have any extra spin or control. I'm awaiting my grommets and will be back to full bed Lux NG at 64 lbs
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I know how you feel about gut/poly strings. I personally like gut/poky strings at low tension and want to try higher one.

My stringer strung Yonex 89 with Luxilon 1.30mm at 70lbs without any problem but he did say the strings stretched thinly but still pose no problem anyway. I will try KLIP Armour Pro 15L at mains and 16 at crosses, both will be strung at 65lbs.

My current personal preference of hybrid strings: Mains: 1.30mm Gut at 52lbs and crosses: either Timo 18 or Big Banger Ace 18 at 40lbs to 48lbs. This is for Fischer Vacuum Pro 90. Now want to try higher tension.
 
IowaGuy

IowaGuy

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ONgame said:
The best gut, due to gut prices, should be whichever one that lasts the longest.
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That's like saying just use the cheapest poly if you're paying for stringing.

Guts play quite different from one another, so not just about the $.

And for some people, $ not an issue...
 
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aaron_h27

Professional
Strung up some Lux gut today 1.30 at 64 lbs, Had to play with it right off the stringer cause i didn't want to use my gut/poly job for my match. Played great, won in a tough match. No downsides to this string other than price/durability. I'm sold on this in a full bed. I actually get MORE control with a full bed of Lux NG rather than Gut/Poly. It's soft, but crisp enough to not trampoline balls like Babolat's gut. Gives you the best combo of power/control/feel. I will gladly PAY $42.95 even if i get only a week out of these string jobs, you can't go back to driving a Toyota after you've driven a Tesla.

The only thing is somehow my string got notched right where the main tie off is on the bottom of the hoop, i didn't notice it until midway through my match. It will probably break soon, but atleast i got through my match.

So for me Luxilon Natural Gut, is the best natural gut currently. No more testing to be done.
 
IowaGuy

IowaGuy

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aaron_h27 said:
The only thing is somehow my string got notched right where the main tie off is on the bottom of the hoop
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Did this notching occur, even with your new grommets?

That seems like an odd spot for notching (shouldn't be a ton of string movement there, compared to your sweetspot?

I haven't seen this on any of my Lux gut 1.25 stringjobs (ProStaff 97S racket).
 
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aaron_h27

Professional
IowaGuy said:
Did this notching occur, even with your new grommets?

That seems like an odd spot for notching (shouldn't be a ton of string movement there, compared to your sweetspot?

I haven't seen this on any of my Lux gut 1.25 stringjobs (ProStaff 97S racket).
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I haven't gotten my new grommets yet, they're coming on Monday, but i had a match today so i wanted to give myself the best chance.

It's notched in one spot near the throat where the main tie off is opposite of where the grommets are.
 
IowaGuy

IowaGuy

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aaron_h27 said:
I haven't gotten my new grommets yet, they're coming on Monday, but i had a match today so i wanted to give myself the best chance.

It's notched in one spot near the throat where the main tie off is opposite of where the grommets are.
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Notched at a string intersection with a cross-string? That seems very low on the racket face for notching?

If at a string intersection, you could place a string saver there, which would extend the life...
 
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aaron_h27

Professional
IowaGuy said:
Notched at a string intersection with a cross-string? That seems very low on the racket face for notching?

If at a string intersection, you could place a string saver there, which would extend the life...
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It's not at an intersection its right above the tie off for the main near the throat of the racket, no way to put a string saver there

I agree with you, i hope it holds up though
 
IowaGuy

IowaGuy

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aaron_h27 said:
It's not at an intersection its right above the tie off for the main near the throat of the racket, no way to put a string saver there

I agree with you, i hope it holds up though
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Is it possible that the stringer damaged it somehow?
 
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nwatts

Rookie
I just strung up my liquidmetal radical mp with lux 1.30 gut at 62 pounds, and it played fantastic. I was worried it would be too stiff, as I normally string it at 56 pounds. I enjoyed the extra control and lower launch angle, and I didn't lose much power.
 
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nwatts

Rookie
Played my first match after stringing lux gut on racquet at 62 pounds (world team tennis 4.0+). It played great, and my control was spot on. If tension can hold an acceptable level for a few months, I will be ecstatic!
 
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aaron_h27

Professional
nwatts said:
Played my first match after stringing lux gut on racquet at 62 pounds (world team tennis 4.0+). It played great, and my control was spot on. If tension can hold an acceptable level for a few months, I will be ecstatic!
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Welcome to the club!

It will hold tension pretty well, if it gets too loose before it breaks string it 1-2 pounds tighter next time
 
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nwatts

Rookie
aaron_h27 said:
Welcome to the club!

It will hold tension pretty well, if it gets too loose before it breaks string it 1-2 pounds tighter next time
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I'm using a 18x20 liquidmetal radical. Do yo think I could still increase tension despite dense string pattern?

I'm happy to be part of the club! Nothing compared to quality gut!
 
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aaron_h27

Professional
nwatts said:
I'm using a 18x20 liquidmetal radical. Do yo think I could still increase tension despite dense string pattern?

I'm happy to be part of the club! Nothing compared to quality gut!
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1-2 lbs won't be much difference IMO.

but that should be a good tension for you
 
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aaron_h27

Professional
I'm thinking about trying string savers again now that I can see my wear pattern. It's sort of like a diamond shape in the center. I applied way too many last time. I will probably only need to apply 30-40 instead of 100 like I did last time. I will try this once I feel my racket tension getting too loose.
 
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borna coric

Semi-Pro
I bought 100 packages of Luxilon NG when it was on sale for half price last year. I use on my son racquet and he is breaking strings after every 8 hours of playing time. Luxilon NG, even at half price, is not cheap but according to my son, NG is much better than poly.
 
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aaron_h27

Professional
borna coric said:
I bought 100 packages of Luxilon NG when it was on sale for half price last year. I use on my son racquet and he is breaking strings after every 8 hours of playing time. Luxilon NG, even at half price, is not cheap but according to my son, NG is much better than poly.
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You are the reason it was out of stock for 3 months LOL!

Did you buy 1.25 gauge?
 
IowaGuy

IowaGuy

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aaron_h27 said:
I'm thinking about trying string savers again now that I can see my wear pattern. It's sort of like a diamond shape in the center. I applied way too many last time. I will probably only need to apply 30-40 instead of 100 like I did last time. I will try this once I feel my racket tension getting too loose.
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I started with 30-40 and now use ~150 :)

Otherwise, I'm breaking strings in the sweetspot after 10 hours or so...
 
IowaGuy

IowaGuy

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borna coric said:
I bought 100 packages of Luxilon NG when it was on sale for half price last year. I use on my son racquet and he is breaking strings after every 8 hours of playing time. Luxilon NG, even at half price, is not cheap but according to my son, NG is much better than poly.
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If he's breaking strings in the same place, you might try a few judiciously placed string savers, to extend the life > 8 hours...
 
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CaroFan90

New User
Curious to see what some of you are experiencing with the new Wilson Natural Gut these days.. I strung up my Pro Staff 97Ss with the Gut in the Mains and Luxilon ALU Rough in the crosses at 55lbs/53lbs respectively and let it sit for about 48Hrs prior to playing.. I also have 12 string savers placed the same way Fed has them installed on his strings at the top of the W when it is stenciled

I played with it one time and it felt super mushy even with the Luxilon in the crosses. I felt like I have little to no feel with the current Wilson Natural Gut 16. the next time I played a week later, I get the same feeling. I was just trying Pacific Tough Gut in a hybrid with RPM Blast in the crosses and I felt like I had more feel with that set-up. Any thoughts? I was playing with Natural Gut/ALU Power Rough Hybrid in college and I just can't go back to an all poly set up. I love the feel Gut gives, even if it is expensive.
 
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aaron_h27

Professional
I keep breaking full bed of gut at the tie-off positions after about 8-10 hours of play. Either near the grommet or near the throat. but always near a tieoff. I'm 95% sure it's due to shanks, cause it broke on a shank. I never had this problem until I polarized my rackets with lead, as you know polarizing makes a racket a bit more unforgiving, so im not hitting as cleanly. I am going to try lead at 3 & 9 to see if this fixes the problem. I never had this problem until messing around with lead recently. Before using lead I never broke a string before and could get 4-6 weeks out of full bed NG before having to cut it out.
 
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jim e

Legend
aaron_h27 said:
I keep breaking full bed of gut at the tie-off positions after about 8-10 hours of play. Either near the grommet or near the throat. but always near a tieoff. I'm 95% sure it's due to shanks, cause it broke on a shank..
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If you put a little lube in the grommets, (I use tri flow with a small microfiber brush ) , one drop on the brush will lube most all main string grommets.
This will reduce greatly snaps at grommets, especially with nat. gut . I use this with every nat. gut job.
 
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TforTommy

Semi-Pro
What do people prefer with vs and wilson natural gut?

I use wilson NG and it seems very very durable but was somewhat surprised that it wasn't overly soft in a hybrid compared to my current full bed of alu rough
 
IowaGuy

IowaGuy

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aaron_h27 said:
I keep breaking full bed of gut at the tie-off positions after about 8-10 hours of play. Either near the grommet or near the throat. but always near a tieoff. I'm 95% sure it's due to shanks, cause it broke on a shank. I never had this problem until I polarized my rackets with lead, as you know polarizing makes a racket a bit more unforgiving, so im not hitting as cleanly. I am going to try lead at 3 & 9 to see if this fixes the problem. I never had this problem until messing around with lead recently. Before using lead I never broke a string before and could get 4-6 weeks out of full bed NG before having to cut it out.
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2 piece stringing (4 knots) or 1 piece stringing?

I have about 7g of lead at 10 & 2 (spread across several inches) and have never had this problem.

Interesting that it is only occurring at the tie-offs. How close to the knot is it? (i.e. right on the bottom of the knot itself?)
 
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TforTommy

Semi-Pro
IowaGuy said:
2 piece stringing (4 knots) or 1 piece stringing?

I have about 7g of lead at 10 & 2 (spread across several inches) and have never had this problem.

Interesting that it is only occurring at the tie-offs. How close to the knot is it? (i.e. right on the bottom of the knot itself?)
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Are you tieing gut on poly or poly on gut? (tieoff knots)
 
IowaGuy

IowaGuy

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TforTommy said:
Are you tieing gut on poly or poly on gut? (tieoff knots)
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I think @aaron_h27 is using full bed gut.

IME, sometimes stringers will string full bed gut in 2 pieces, sometimes in 1 piece.

I prefer 1 piece, I think better tension maintenance and less grommet damage from half as many knots...
 
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aaron_h27

Professional
jim e said:
If you put a little lube in the grommets, (I use tri flow with a small microfiber brush ) , one drop on the brush will lube most all main string grommets.
This will reduce greatly snaps at grommets, especially with nat. gut . I use this with every nat. gut job.
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I tried that! this time it didn't snap at a grommet but snapped at the tieoff near the throat on a shank.

Like i said I never had this problem until recently messing with lead at 12, which I think is making me shank balls more due to polarizing the racket. I am now using lead at 3 & 9 for more forgiveness and hoping this will help with the shank issue
 
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jim e

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aaron_h27 said:
I tried that! this time it didn't snap at a grommet but snapped at the tieoff near the throat on a shank.
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By any chance are you just cinching up the knots by hand? With Nat. gut I typically just use fingers to cinch up knot as pulling too much can weakened string at knot tie off , and can then make string snap more likely with shank at that spot.
 
Syfo-Dias

Syfo-Dias

Professional
aaron_h27 said:
Strung up some Lux gut today 1.30 at 64 lbs, Had to play with it right off the stringer cause i didn't want to use my gut/poly job for my match. Played great, won in a tough match. No downsides to this string other than price/durability. I'm sold on this in a full bed. I actually get MORE control with a full bed of Lux NG rather than Gut/Poly. It's soft, but crisp enough to not trampoline balls like Babolat's gut. Gives you the best combo of power/control/feel. I will gladly PAY $42.95 even if i get only a week out of these string jobs, you can't go back to driving a Toyota after you've driven a Tesla.

The only thing is somehow my string got notched right where the main tie off is on the bottom of the hoop, i didn't notice it until midway through my match. It will probably break soon, but atleast i got through my match.

So for me Luxilon Natural Gut, is the best natural gut currently. No more testing to be done.
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How's the string movement in a full bed? One thing that always drives me crazy about full gut is when the strings move around a lot. I've heard the coating on Lux NG helps prevent that?
 
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aaron_h27

Professional
jim e said:
By any chance are you just cinching up the knots by hand? With Nat. gut I typically just use fingers to cinch up knot as pulling too much can weakened string at knot tie off , and can then make string snap more likely with shank at that spot.
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I do not string my racket, my friend strings them for me.

Syfo-Dias said:
How's the string movement in a full bed? One thing that always drives me crazy about full gut is when the strings move around a lot. I've heard the coating on Lux NG helps prevent that?
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String movement is very minimal because i string at 64 lbs in a full bed, when i strung it at 60 there was a bit more movement.
 
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dnguyen

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Think it will snap at 70lbs with 1.25mm or 1.30mm which is the safe bet.

it is for Yonex score tour 89. I had one in the past without any problem but I don't remember it was either lux gut 1.30 or VS gut 1.35mm at 70lbs.
 
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sleepyeg

New User
I have 2 vcore 98, 1 strung with vs gut 130 and 4g, the other with lux nat 130 and 4g. Same tension @58/55. I rotate both rackets everytime I play but for some reason, I can never feel connected with the lux gut. With the lux gut, the trajectory is significantly higher and sails long. Are guts really that different from each other?

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aaron_h27

Professional
sleepyeg said:
I have 2 vcore 98, 1 strung with vs gut 130 and 4g, the other with lux nat 130 and 4g. Same tension @58/55. I rotate both rackets everytime I play but for some reason, I can never feel connected with the lux gut. With the lux gut, the trajectory is significantly higher and sails long. Are guts really that different from each other?

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If anything Lux NG should give you a lower trajectory than VS. Strange
 
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sleepyeg

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sleepyeg said:
I have 2 vcore 98, 1 strung with vs gut 130 and 4g, the other with lux nat 130 and 4g. Same tension @58/55. I rotate both rackets every time I play but for some reason, I can never feel connected with the lux gut. With the lux gut, the trajectory is significantly higher and sails long. Are guts really that different from each other?
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sleepyeg

New User
My VS Gut was February and my Lux Gut was strung in March, I just did a quick comparison with my cheapo stringmeter, again both strung at @ 58/55. The LUX gut is about 10lbs lower then the VS gut?? does the LUX Gut loose tension that much faster then the VS gut?
 
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Frankc

Professional
Could be... there are other reports that the newly designed gut while offering more endurance and a stiffer response, a tension loss was noted. Just one case, but I have two frames - one Lux Wilson and one VS Wilson and the Lux strung far more stiffly and played stiffer and did soften up more. IMO, additional stiffness is not bad or good as that dependes on the user's preference. But , the two strings are very different.
 
ej28405

ej28405

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I had my dr98 strung with full lux gut at 58lbs and loved it for about a week or so (maybe hit 3 or 4 times) and then noticed a significant drop in tension. On the flip side I had it restrung with VS gut at 61 and it's been about the same amount of time and it seems to be holding tension a bit better although I liked the way lux played (before the loss of tension). The next time with lux I'll probably go up to 62 lbs to compensate.
 
IowaGuy

IowaGuy

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Syfo-Dias said:
I've got a few packs of Luxilon 1.25 from the last big sale. What's the max safe tension for this stuff?
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I string my 1.25 Lux gut at 65# with no issues.

I let it set for a few weeks before playing, to allow the tension to drop a little and settle in. That way my ~30 hours of playing time occur within a small window of string tension.
 
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aaron_h27

Professional
sleepyeg said:
My VS Gut was February and my Lux Gut was strung in March, I just did a quick comparison with my cheapo stringmeter, again both strung at @ 58/55. The LUX gut is about 10lbs lower then the VS gut?? does the LUX Gut loose tension that much faster then the VS gut?
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The last time I tested VS, i strung it too low (62 lbs) & had to cut it out so i can't really give a good comparison, however Lux NG does lose a bit of tension over time so I string tighter to compensate. Lux NG is much lower powered than VS and a bit more spin friendly. I normally string 1.30 Lux NG at 64 lbs, if I ever tried VS again I would definitely do at least 66 lbs. I cannot comment on tension loss of both strings, but I do know Lux NG offers more control for me.

ej28405 said:
I had my dr98 strung with full lux gut at 58lbs and loved it for about a week or so (maybe hit 3 or 4 times) and then noticed a significant drop in tension. On the flip side I had it restrung with VS gut at 61 and it's been about the same amount of time and it seems to be holding tension a bit better although I liked the way lux played (before the loss of tension). The next time with lux I'll probably go up to 62 lbs to compensate.
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Again interesting, but you should try both strings at 62 lbs to compare them. I find that VS Touch is a bit more springy than Lux NG. Hopefully someone else can comment on the tension loss of both strings.
 
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