Best player for saving match points?

#1
my pick is Djokovic,he saved 5 match points against murray,2x2 match points against roger at us open,4 match points against tsonga at french open and couple more against serra,stepanek...
 
#2
That would make sense. Because he is not a good player, so he puts himself into this position more often, so he has more experience.

Like Fed having weak mental tougness, cuz he was so great that he rarely needed to fight.
 
#3
Djokovic has had a few high profile ones so he would get my vote if his oppenent was serving for the match but if it was a MP on a players own serve, i would probably say Isner.
 
#4
That would make sense. Because he is not a good player, so he puts himself into this position more often, so he has more experience.

Like Fed having weak mental tougness, cuz he was so great that he rarely needed to fight.
You are seriously thick enough to accuse the World No. 1 of not being a good player? Delusional...
 
#5
yes djokovic is really bad player,he doesnt even deserve to be on top100,every match that he wins is because he is lucky and his oponent is having a bad day
 

m2nk2

Hall of Fame
#6
Thomas Muster probably has the record of saving match points and then winning the match.

Also remember Norman saving a lot of MPs. Didn't he save like 13 MPs or so in the FO final against Kuerten?
 
#7
That would make sense. Because he is not a good player, so he puts himself into this position more often, so he has more experience.

Like Fed having weak mental tougness, cuz he was so great that he rarely needed to fight.
This used to case in his prime not these days. Last season he came back saving multiple BPs three times.
 

pc1

G.O.A.T.
#8
Adriano Panatta saved 11 match points in his first round match at the 1976 Italian Open. He went on to win the tournament!
 
#9
This used to case in his prime not these days. Last season he came back saving multiple BPs three times.
A few examples don't make a rule.

In general Federer is losing in big matches vs top guys when the match gets tight.

Because Fed owned everyone easily. That is exactly why you would except him not having much practice in tight matches, because he was rarely in such position.
 
#10
Adriano Panatta saved 11 match points in his first round match at the 1976 Italian Open. He went on to win the tournament!
Wow, that is quite incredible. Also how close a player is between going out in the first round and winning the entire tournament.

That's why tennis is exciting.
 
#12
Novak wins this hands down as it is one thing to do in R1 and R2 matches but completely different doing it in the final stages.

He has compensated for the 2013 FO choke.

That said his propensity to choke is also very high and he is able to get himself out of those tough situations
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
#17
Djokovic - That is the name that comes to mind when you talk about someone saving Match Points. Some of the match points he has saved are iconic.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
#22
In 1995 alone, Thomas Muster saved 18 match points in matches that he went on to win. 15 of these match points that Muster saved were in tournaments that he went on to win.

Saved 3 MPs in 1995 Indian Wells R16 vs. Michael Chang (Muster won 6-1, 5-7, 7-6)
Saved 1 MP in 1995 Estoril QF vs. Javier Sanchez (Muster won 4-6, 7-6, 6-4)
Saved 1 MP in 1995 Barcelona R64 vs. Jordi Burillo (Muster won 4-6, 7-6, 6-2)
Saved 1 MP in 1995 Barcelona QF vs. Carlos Costa (Muster won 6-3, 3-6, 7-5)
Saved 2 CPs in 1995 Monte Carlo F vs. Boris Becker (Muster won 4-6, 5-7, 6-1, 7-6, 6-0)
Saved 3 MPs in 1995 Sankt Pölten R32 vs. Filip Dewulf (Muster won 4-6, 7-6, 6-3)
Saved 4 MPs in 1995 Stuttgart Outdoor SF vs. Sergi Bruguera (Muster won 6-7, 7-6, 6-2 - having once trailed 6-7, 1-5)
Saved 3 CPs in 1995 Umag F vs. Carlos Costa (Muster won 3-6, 7-6, 6-4)
 
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#24
If he is so great, why can't he win before being match points down?

Why is struggling better than winning without being match points down?
That's a good question. Why don't you ask Djokovic? But to call the World No. 1, who has his point lead by a wide margin, not a good player, is absurd to the degree I would only expect of you. I severely hope you are not an accurate representation of the wider Federer fanbase.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
#25
Djokovic has probably saved the most match points in the really big matches ie. 2 each in the semi-finals of 2010 and 2011 USO plus 5 in the final of 2012 Shanghai!

I think an honourable mention must be made for Murray who saved a match point in the final of 2013 Miami and, towards the end of last year, saved a total of 10 match points ie. 5 each in the finals of Shenzhen and Valencia!
 
#26
That's a good question. Why don't you ask Djokovic? But to call the World No. 1, who has his point lead by a wide margin, not a good player, is absurd to the degree I would only expect of you. I severely hope you are not an accurate representation of the wider Federer fanbase.
Not good compared to some greats who defend less match points, that's why they win faster.

I didn't mean not good in general. I thought you of all people would be smart enough to see my statements in context.

Why would I call 8 GS winner not good? Only a fool would see my words as calling a 8 GS winner not good.

That's what makes him better at match points, since he had more practice. Like other greats aren't that good either if we compare them on match points.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
#27
Thomas Muster probably has the record of saving match points and then winning the match.

Also remember Norman saving a lot of MPs. Didn't he save like 13 MPs or so in the FO final against Kuerten?
Kuerten won the 2000 French Open final on his 11th championship point.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
#28
Djokovic has probably saved the most match points in the really big matches ie. 2 each in the semi-finals of 2010 and 2011 USO plus 5 in the final of 2012 Shanghai!

I think an honourable mention must be made for Murray who saved a match point in the final of 2013 Miami and, towards the end of last year, saved a total of 10 match points ie. 5 each in the finals of Shenzhen and Valencia!
Poor Robredo - perhaps he's the worst at converting match points :lol:
 
#29
Poor Robredo - perhaps he's the worst at converting match points :lol:
This is what usually happens if best MP saver and poorest MP converter play each other :).

Also, how do we know Djokovic is strong MP saver? What if he is just playing mentally weak players who are terrible at converting MPs?
 
#30
Not good compared to some greats who defend less match points, that's why they win faster.

I didn't mean not good in general. I thought you of all people would be smart enough to see my statements in context.

Why would I call 8 GS winner not good? Only a fool would see my words as calling a 8 GS winner not good.

That's what makes him better at match points, since he had more practice. Like other greats aren't that good either if we compare them on match points.
That's foolish to believe Novak is only a good matchpoint-down player because he is so often matchpoint down. That's called self-justified reasoning.
 
#31
That's foolish to believe Novak is only a good matchpoint-down player because he is so often matchpoint down. That's called self-justified reasoning.
I didn't say it was a fact, just throwing it out there as a possible explanation.

And please don't use your fancy book learnin' :). I know what it means, I'm a few levels above you, I just enjoy acting stupid to troll newbies like yourself, who think they are geniuses trying to put other people down.
 
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#32
In 1995 alone, Thomas Muster saved 18 match points in matches that he went on to win. 15 of these match points that Muster saved were in tournaments that he went on to win.

Saved 3 MPs in 1995 Indian Wells R16 vs. Michael Chang (Muster won 6-1, 5-7, 7-6)
Saved 1 MP in 1995 Estoril QF vs. Javier Sanchez (Muster won 4-6, 7-6, 6-4)
Saved 1 MP in 1995 Barcelona R64 vs. Jordi Burillo (Muster won 4-6, 7-6, 6-2)
Saved 1 MP in 1995 Barcelona QF vs. Carlos Costa (Muster won 6-3, 3-6, 7-5)
Saved 2 CPs in 1995 Monte Carlo F vs. Boris Becker (Muster won 4-6, 5-7, 6-1, 7-6, 6-0)
Saved 3 MPs in 1995 Sankt Pölten R32 vs. Filip Dewulf (Muster won 4-6, 7-6, 6-3)
Saved 4 MPs in 1995 Stuttgart Outdoor SF vs. Sergi Bruguera (Muster won 6-7, 7-6, 6-2 - having once trailed 6-7, 1-5)
Saved 3 CPs in 1995 Umag F vs. Carlos Costa (Muster won 3-6, 7-6, 6-4)
I was wondering when you'd enter the thread! :smile:
 
#39
I didn't say it was a fact, just throwing it out there as a possible explanation.

And please don't use your fancy book learnin' :). I know what it means, I'm a few levels above you, I just enjoy acting stupid to troll newbies like yourself, who think they are geniuses trying to put other people down.
I find far too often, people use the idea of trolling to backpedal and excuse their own stupidity and nonsense remarks. You are one of them
 
#41
All-time record: Allison saved 18 match points

1930 Davis Cup: Allison def. Stefani 4-6 7-9 6-4 8-6 10-8

Allison saved two match points in the 4th (Allison trailed 2:5) and sixteen in the 5th set (was 1:5)

Panatta saved 11 matchpoints in 1976 Rome 1st round. He won against Warwick 3-6 6-4 7-6

Schuettler saved 10 match points (two MP's on return) to defeat Seppi in the 2nd round of 2004 Kitzbühel. Schuettler won 3-6 7-6(15-13) 6-0 withstanding match points at three different games:

4:5 (15/40), 5:6 (15/40) and in the tie-break at: 6:7, 8:9, 9:10*, 10:11, 11:12* and 12:13.

Chesnokov saved 9 match points in the 5th set of the 1995 Davis Cup SF Deciding Rubber against Stich. Chesnokov won 6-4 1-6 1-6 6-3 14-12

2004 Roland Garros 1st Round: Spadea def. Serra 7-5 1-6 4-6 7-6(9-7) 9-7

Spadea saved two match points in the tie-break and seven match points in the 5th trailing.

1960 Australian Open final, Laver trailed Fraser 5-7 3-6 6-3 4-5 and saved a match point, and yet still managed to win the match 5-7 3-6 6-3 8-6 8-6.

There are many more.
 
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#42
One player I saw who saved a heck of alot of matchpoints in matches,in particular in big tournaments was Lendl.

The most famous one IMO was the 1984 semi final against Pat Cash.He was practically one foot out of the door when Cash hit the ball down the line and advanced to the net and Lendl could only have won the point one way.. a well timed lob.He did just that and went on to beat Cash but lose the final to Mcenroe.


He also saved matchpoints in another slam semi final... this time against Edberg at the Australian Open.Once again his opponent had come to the net and Edberg fluffed a volley that would've given him the match.Edberg had multiple matchpoints in that match from memory.


Also against the Italian Paolo Cane at Wimbledon in 87........ and against Woodforde in the 4th Round at Wimbledon again


Once again in a slam this time in the first round against Richard Krajicek.. down 2 sets to love Lendl launches a comeback and saves 2 matchpoints in the 4th set to extend the match into the 5th where he bageled a cramping Krajicek.
 

The Green Mile

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#43
In the "Big 4s" Careers so far...

Fed has saved 44 MPs from 15 tournaments
Nadal has saved 26 MPs from 10 tournaments
Djokovic has saved 30 MPs from 10 tournaments
Murray has saved 23 MPs from 8 tournaments
 
#44
A few examples don't make a rule.

In general Federer is losing in big matches vs top guys when the match gets tight.

Because Fed owned everyone easily. That is exactly why you would except him not having much practice in tight matches, because he was rarely in such position.
That's not an argument for him not having weak mental toughness, it's just an excuse for it.

If he is so great, why can't he win before being match points down?

Why is struggling better than winning without being match points down?
Federer struggles too. And when he does he's worse at overcoming it.
 
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