Best Players on Every Surface of Every Year

[TheAverageFedererFan]

So basically we give our opinions up until 1990 (overtime). And you have to say the best player of each surface for a year. Here is my opinion.

2016:
Slow Hard: Nole
Clay: Nole
Grass: Murray
Fast Hard: Nole
Fall Indoor: Murray
2015:
All Surfaces for Nole
2014:
Slow Hard: Nole
Clay: Rafa
Grass: Nole
Fast Hard: Roger
Fall Indoor: Nole
2013:
Slow Hard: Nole
Clay: Rafa
Grass: Murray
Fast Hard: Rafa
Indoor Fall: Nole
2012:
Slow Hard: Nole
Clay: Rafa
Grass: Roger
Fast Hard: Nole
Fall Indoor: Nole
2011:
Slow Hard: Nole
Clay: Rafa
Grass: Nole
Fast Hard: Nole
Fall Indoor: Roger
2010:
Slow Hard: Roddick
Clay: Rafa
Grass: Rafa
Fast Hard: Roger
Fall Indoor: Roger

 

[deacsyoga]

Slow hard Roddick for 2010? He didnt even make the semis of the Australian Open so no way.

Likewise Roger not even making the U.S Open final excludes him from fast hard in 2010. Has to be Rafa just for his U.S Open final performance alone.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Wow cool, I agree 2015 is all surface for Nole. No one would normally have that since no one has won the CYGS. But I think Novak's overall clay season and level was better than Wawa's. With that said the counter-argument would be that obviously he would have traded all his acheivements at the clay masters for the RG win. (Even more at the time, since he hadn't won it yet)

 

[Sport]

Nadal the best on outdoour "fast" hard courts in 2010. He won the US Open. Federer the best on indoor hard courts (he won the WTF).

 

[TheAverageFedererFan]

Fair enough.
I though 2010 Fast Hard for Fed because he won Cinci, Finalist at Toronto and Semis at the Open. He was the most consistent. But Nadal it is.
So who gets 2010 Slow Hard, I thought Roddick because he won Miami and final at Indian Wells.

 

[deacsyoga]

2010:

Slow hard- Federer
Clay- Nadal
Grass- Nadal
Fast hard- Nadal
Indoors- Federer

2011:

Slow hard- Djokovic
Clay- Nadal (Djokovic very close 2nd)
Grass- Djokovic
Fast hard- Djokovic
Indoors- Federer

2012:

Slow hard- Djokovic
Clay- Nadal
Grass- Federer
Fast hard- Djokovic
Indoors- Djokovic

2013:

Slow hard- Djokovic (Nadal when played, missing AO eliminates him)
Clay- Nadal
Grass- Murray
Fast hard- Nadal
Indoors- Djokovic

2014:

Slow hard- Wawrinka (Djokovic's AO exit was too early even if it were to the champ)
Clay- Nadal
Grass- Djokovic
Fast hard- Cilic (U.S Open semi beating was too emphatic to pick Roger)
Indoors- Djokovic

2015:

Slow hard- Djokovic
Clay- Djokovic
Grass- Djokovic
Fast hard- Djokovic
Indoors- Djokovic

2016:

Slow hard- Djokovic
Clay- Djokovic
Grass- Murray
Fast hard- Wawrinka (I dont recall Djokovic doing anything much in the latter season hard court events either so go with Open Champ)
Indoors- Murray

 

[deacsyoga]

Fair enough.
I though 2010 Fast Hard for Fed because he won Cinci, Finalist at Toronto and Semis at the Open. He was the most consistent. But Nadal it is.
So who gets 2010 Slow Hard, I thought Roddick because he won Miami and final at Indian Wells.

Federer. Roddick's Australian Open showing is too weak to get slow hard court IMO. He would have had to win more than 1 Masters to have any case, and he couldnt even beat old Ljubicic at Indian Wells.

 

[TheAverageFedererFan]

Some changes
2010 Slow Hard: Roger
2010 Fast Hard: Rafa

2009:
Slow Hard: Rafa
Clay: Roger
Grass: Roger
Fast Hard: Del Po
Fall Indoor: Davdenko

Federer. Roddick's Australian Open showing is too weak to get slow hard court IMO. He would have had to win more than 1 Masters to have any case, and he couldnt even beat old Ljubicic at Indian Wells.

2008:
Slow Hard: Nole
Clay: Rafa
Grass: Rafa
Fast Hard: Rafa
Fall Indoor: Nole

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Maybe we can just have it as default that the best player was the 1 who won the corresponding slam on that surface. And if we think that is NOT the case, explain why.

 

[TheAverageFedererFan]

This is difficult.
In terms of titles and the consistency.

Maybe we can just have it as default that the best player was the 1 who won the corresponding slam on that surface. And if we think that is NOT the case, explain why.

That's a good idea.

 

[NatF]

Not a fan of breaking surfaces into separate categories tbh. Like in 2009 for example, despite not winning a slam on HC I think Federer was the best overall with both finals (and the real slam ).

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Not a fan of breaking surfaces into separate categories tbh. Like in 2009 for example, despite not winning a slam on HC I think Federer was the best overall with both finals (and the real slam ).

you mean splitting up slow and fast hard?

 

[NatF]

you mean splitting up slow and fast hard?

Indeed.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Indeed.

well they are different enough that there are 4 separate "mini seasons" imo with 4 separate slams. If you want to add a * that Federer was the best overall on hard, that would be okay

 

[deacsyoga]

Not a fan of breaking surfaces into separate categories tbh. Like in 2009 for example, despite not winning a slam on HC I think Federer was the best overall with both finals (and the real slam ).

Did he win a hard court Masters that year? I dont recall but if he didnt I dont think it could be him when Nadal has both a slam and a Masters. Even if he did I would probably go with Nadal for a slam win over Fed in the final, a semi (losing to the same guy as Fed did in the final, even if a blowout), and a Masters title, when neither won the WTF.

 

[NatF]

Did he win a hard court Masters that year? I dont recall but if he didnt I dont think it could be him when Nadal has both a slam and a Masters. Even if he did I would probably go with Nadal for a slam win over Fed in the final, a semi (losing to the same guy as Fed did in the final, even if a blowout), and a Masters title, when neither won the WTF.

Fed won Cincy. Despite Nadal having decent results in the later half of 2009 his play just wasn't great. Federer was close enough to him at the AO for his superior USO result to be a factor - across both slams Federer's level of play was clearly the highest.

 

[TheAverageFedererFan]

Had Federer won the USO in 2009 he would be considered the Hard Court Goat of 2009.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Fed won Cincy. Despite Nadal having decent results in the later half of 2009 his play just wasn't great. Federer was close enough to him at the AO for his superior USO result to be a factor - across both slams Federer's level of play was clearly the highest.

Del Potro served him up a Swiss Pancake in that 5th set though

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Had Federer won the USO in 2009 he would be considered the Hard Court Goat of 2009.

Agreed

 

[deacsyoga]

Fed won Cincy. Despite Nadal having decent results in the later half of 2009 his play just wasn't great. Federer was close enough to him at the AO for his superior USO result to be a factor - across both slams Federer's level of play was clearly the highest.

Perhaps but I tend to go with results first. If it were just on a feeling I would pick Nadal for best on clay in 2009 since you know he was really the best clay courter in the world still at that moment, even if Fed ended 2009 with the best results. And by the same logic probably Djokovic over Nadal on clay in 2011. Since I go with results I would pick Federer for best on clay in 2009 and Nadal in 2011 though.

Plus IMO Nadal was the top hard courter of early 2009 and Del Potro of late 2009 (only last Canada to Murray due to fatigue in the final) so Federer wasnt the top in any part of the year IMO. If I picked someone else it would probably be Del Potro. DP outperformed by Fed and Nadal at the WTF too.