Best poly to hybrid with natural gut for spin?

Bucko

New User
Hello all,
I'm trying to solve my Tennis elbow issue and am about to venture into the world of Klip Natural Gut in the mains. Klip is my price point, so advice on the coated / uncoated would be appreciated too.

My fear is my game will suffer as I'm used to playing with Cyclone 16g, a dead / spin friendly poly. As a frame of reference, I even found Cyclone Tour to have way too much power for my liking.

So what I'm looking for is a dead, spin monster poly to hybrid in the crosses to help tame the power of the natural gut in the mains. Is Cyclone good enough, or is there something better people would recommend?

As a first time Gut user, I'm guessing I want to string it tight to tame the power. My racquet max recommendation is 58 lbs, so guessing this is where I should string the mains. Regarding the crosses, my usual poly set up is 52lbs. Any recommendations on what to tension the poly in a hybrid?

Appreciate all advice
 

TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
I can only speak to my own experience with hybriding gut/poly. I use Luxilon Natural Gut in the mains 58lbs and Luxilon Savage in the crosses 55lbs. I prefer Luxilon it’s a really good quality string. You truly get what you pay for. I’ve always liked shaped polys to hybrid with natural gut. I had Tourna Big Hitter Blue Rough previously, but Luxilon Savage is SAVAGE! There is a concern that the sharp edges could cause issues, but have yet to experience any.

What Klip says about their string:

Legend uncoated gut offers exceptional feel and ball bite but is not as durable as coated gut. Honestly I’m not sure how this could affect playability in a poly hybrid. I’m sure someone has experience with Klip and can weigh in.
 

Bucko

New User
I can only speak to my own experience with hybriding gut/poly. I use Luxilon Natural Gut in the mains 58lbs and Luxilon Savage in the crosses 55lbs. I prefer Luxilon it’s a really good quality string. You truly get what you pay for. I’ve always liked shaped polys to hybrid with natural gut. I had Tourna Big Hitter Blue Rough previously, but Luxilon Savage is SAVAGE! There is a concern that the sharp edges could cause issues, but have yet to experience any.

What Klip says about their string:

Legend uncoated gut offers exceptional feel and ball bite but is not as durable as coated gut. Honestly I’m not sure how this could affect playability in a poly hybrid. I’m sure someone has experience with Klip and can weigh in.
Thank you. How does the spin compare to a full poly set up?
 

Yoneyama

Hall of Fame
Kirschbaum Max Power. It is a very low-powered poly, slick and round, and has excellent tension maintenance - way above average for a poly. Your gut/poly stringbed will last a long time with this setup. String the gut 60-62lb and the poly 54-58lb depending on how much power you want to take out of it.
 

Bucko

New User
Kirschbaum Max Power. It is a very low-powered poly, slick and round, and has excellent tension maintenance - way above average for a poly. Your gut/poly stringbed will last a long time with this setup. String the gut 60-62lb and the poly 54-58lb depending on how much power you want to take out of it.
Thank you. Low powered sounds good to reduce the power of the gut.

How's the spin compare to full poly?
 

nwatts

New User
I agree max power is a fantastic cross string. Highest marks for control. Spin is very good, but I think msv cofocus gives more spin and power (less control though).
 

blai212

Semi-Pro
I want less power, more spin. Thank you
you’re probably better off using a softer poly like tourna silver 7 tour 17g. While gut/poly is soft, u wont get anywhere near the kind of bite/spin as u would from a spin monster poly like cyclone. If you thought cyclone tour was much too soft, u probably wont enjoy gut/poly. I have had arm problems as well and if u still crave the spin from sharp shaped poly, tourna silver 7 tour 17g mains / signum pro poly plasma pure hextreme 17L crosses is the answer.


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Yoneyama

Hall of Fame
Thank you. Low powered sounds good to reduce the power of the gut.

How's the spin compare to full poly?
I feel like I get more spin and control with gut/poly as long as the tension is correct for the racquet - for me that is the higher tension ranges. One time a couple of years ago when I first got into gut/poly I tried 50lb/44lb with a softer poly cross. It was a spin monster but you had to swing ultra fast to keep the control.
 
I feel like I get more spin and control with gut/poly as long as the tension is correct for the racquet - for me that is the higher tension ranges.
100% agree with this statement. Recently switched to gut/poly and loving it. Klip Legend 1.30 mains and 1.25 YPT Fire cross. Going to try MP next.

The spin from gut/poly feels very different to a full poly setup. Gut/poly plays a lot more effortless, and full swings have more pace with enough spin to keep it in. No problems creating short angles. Serves are phenomenal.
 

Brand77

New User
I used babolats vs in combination with several types of round poly while I had TE. The only thing where I really missed the full poly bed was for slice service. All other shots adjusted within a couple of weeks.
Only when I get tired and more sloppy with my strokes do the balls sail long. And the loss of a little spin is a small price for the amount of comfort the gut brings.

I also tried a full bed of guy recently but my technique isn't capable of dealing with that amount of power.....yet :)
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
What racquet are you using?

I actually use the uncoated Klip gut and love it, but my game isn't so dependent on spin.

Having tried a few dozen polys, I generally use Isospeed Cream. That's a great combo if you want to fix your arm. If you can't control the power, get a lower powered racquet.

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Bucko

New User
What racquet are you using?

I actually use the uncoated Klip gut and love it, but my game isn't so dependent on spin.

Having tried a few dozen polys, I generally use Isospeed Cream. That's a great combo if you want to fix your arm. If you can't control the power, get a lower powered racquet.

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I use the Prince Tour 100. I've used Cream before but don't like the spin potential to be honest. I'm hoping the soft gut in the mains will allow me to use a harsher poly cross so a softer Poly like Cream won't be needed.

Interestingly enough, cyclone tour is measured as softer than cream in the TW string stiffness tool.

I've continued to use my full bed Cyclone Tour set up while I wait for the Klip to arrive and I've adjusted well to it, and am playing good tennis with it now. Hoping the more powerful string set up will make adjusting to the gut hybrid a little easier
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
I use the Prince Tour 100. I've used Cream before but don't like the spin potential to be honest. I'm hoping the soft gut in the mains will allow me to use a harsher poly cross so a softer Poly like Cream won't be needed.

Interestingly enough, cyclone tour is measured as softer than cream in the TW string stiffness tool.

I've continued to use my full bed Cyclone Tour set up while I wait for the Klip to arrive and I've adjusted well to it, and am playing good tennis with it now. Hoping the more powerful string set up will make adjusting to the gut hybrid a little easier
A mate of mine uses the black and orange version with ports. I've never loved ports, but have to admit it really feels like a great racquet. It certainly didn't feel harsh.

Bottom line is, you've got an injured arm using stiff poly. Whatever you choose, err on the side of being too soft rather than not soft enough. Playing is always better than not playing.
 

nwatts

New User
I've never used PTF, but have used PTP and really like it (except for muted response of string). I can compare MP and RS Lyon though when used as a cross string (NG mains). I've used both strings during playsight data, so I can compare the results fairly accurately.

RS has slightly more power (I get an extra 3 mph)
MP has slightly more control
Spin is about equal (playsight data says my avg forehand is around 1800 rpm with both)
RS shines with its touch/feel/net play.
 

esgee48

Legend
The best polyester strings are those that have been factory pre stretched. They maintain tension the best, are muted and low powered. This will help tone down the power of the NG. YMMV depending on ref tension. They should be round to minimize cutting into NG. In my book, that means the 18 or 17 Ga stuff from KB ProLine II, Lux 4G or SPPP.
 

nwatts

New User
The best polyester strings are those that have been factory pre stretched. They maintain tension the best, are muted and low powered. This will help tone down the power of the NG. YMMV depending on ref tension. They should be round to minimize cutting into NG. In my book, that means the 18 or 17 Ga stuff from KB ProLine II, Lux 4G or SPPP.
I agree those are all solid choices. For some reason, my control suffers a bit with proline II though. touch and feel are amazing with Proline II for a poly.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
Hello all,
I'm trying to solve my Tennis elbow issue and am about to venture into the world of Klip Natural Gut in the mains. Klip is my price point, so advice on the coated / uncoated would be appreciated too.

My fear is my game will suffer as I'm used to playing with Cyclone 16g, a dead / spin friendly poly. As a frame of reference, I even found Cyclone Tour to have way too much power for my liking.

So what I'm looking for is a dead, spin monster poly to hybrid in the crosses to help tame the power of the natural gut in the mains. Is Cyclone good enough, or is there something better people would recommend?

As a first time Gut user, I'm guessing I want to string it tight to tame the power. My racquet max recommendation is 58 lbs, so guessing this is where I should string the mains. Regarding the crosses, my usual poly set up is 52lbs. Any recommendations on what to tension the poly in a hybrid?

Appreciate all advice
Strongly agree with our pal tonylg in post #17. If you've got tennis elbow going on, dump the poly completely at least until you get back to 100%. Keeping a poly cross would still leave you with a half-bed of poly. Make a more substantial move to a softer string layout - maybe a full bed of natural gut - for the short term and you'll have better odds of making some progress.

I haven't strung any hybrids of natural gut/poly for the local players I know, but the guy I work with in the summers likes to use a hybrid of NXT mains and Luxilon Element crosses. I believe he tensions that combo at around 56 or 57 lbs. in the Clash Tour. If you eventually use a soft main and a poly cross, I think that Element could be an option. Based on what I've heard from a few stronger players I know who use that poly, it does offer a softer alternative to many of the more firm polys (and co-polys) around these days.
 

Bucko

New User
Strongly agree with our pal tonylg in post #17. If you've got tennis elbow going on, dump the poly completely at least until you get back to 100%. Keeping a poly cross would still leave you with a half-bed of poly. Make a more substantial move to a softer string layout - maybe a full bed of natural gut - for the short term and you'll have better odds of making some progress.

I haven't strung any hybrids of natural gut/poly for the local players I know, but the guy I work with in the summers likes to use a hybrid of NXT mains and Luxilon Element crosses. I believe he tensions that combo at around 56 or 57 lbs. in the Clash Tour. If you eventually use a soft main and a poly cross, I think that Element could be an option. Based on what I've heard from a few stronger players I know who use that poly, it does offer a softer alternative to many of the more firm polys (and co-polys) around these days.
Element is a harsher poly in my experience, and on the TW stiffness rating.

I understand your point about dumping poly all together. I tried it. And hated tennis. My game suffered. So I'm trying to compromise to the softest set up where I still play decent tennis, and manage the TE through frequency of play.

Appreciate the input
 

nwatts

New User
Max power and rs Lyon can be tough on the arm. I think yonex poly pro tour would be a great compromise. It is good in all categories, and has above average comfort. This is what I use as a cross when max power or rs Lyon bothers my arm.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
I understand your point about dumping poly all together. I tried it. And hated tennis. My game suffered.
I wasn't saying you had to dump poly, just err on the side of being too soft.

However, you hated tennis? I can play with the crappiest syn gut and still love tennis. Notwithstanding my first sentence, you may actually find that playing without poly allows you to work on parts of your game that are weak and you come back a better player.

If you don't want to pay for gut, there are some crazy soft multis out there. MSV Q10 is like hitting with a pillow.

I hope you get it sorted quickly. My wrist problem is permanent, but it sounds like if you treated your elbow well now, you should come back to 100%. All I'm suggesting is that treat it really well, rather than have it drag on for months or maybe years.
 

Bucko

New User
I wasn't saying you had to dump poly, just err on the side of being too soft.

However, you hated tennis? I can play with the crappiest syn gut and still love tennis. Notwithstanding my first sentence, you may actually find that playing without poly allows you to work on parts of your game that are weak and you come back a better player.

If you don't want to pay for gut, there are some crazy soft multis out there. MSV Q10 is like hitting with a pillow.

I hope you get it sorted quickly. My wrist problem is permanent, but it sounds like if you treated your elbow well now, you should come back to 100%. All I'm suggesting is that treat it really well, rather than have it drag on for months or maybe years.
I am happy to pay for gut. I just want to find the softest set up I can play good tennis with
 

esgee48

Legend
If you have to dump poly crosses, look at Bab Spiral Tek [synthetic gut] and Head Velocity or FXP. All 3 strings are soft, low powered and slippery. Get the white or natural as the non-white ones stretch more.
 

Bucko

New User
If you have to dump poly crosses, look at Bab Spiral Tek [synthetic gut] and Head Velocity or FXP. All 3 strings are soft, low powered and slippery. Get the white or natural as the non-white ones stretch more.
How are they for spin?
 

esgee48

Legend
All 3 strings have low COF, which means the NG will side on them without any issues. One is an SG and the 2 Head strings are multis with a slippery coating. There is a Velocity thread headed by @ByeByePoly and he will try to convert you. I have used SpiralTek and FXP. They are too muted for me, but they can produce spin easily enough in full bed. They also slide back into position like polys for 12-16 hours.
 

Taveren

Semi-Pro
@Bucko you will never get the same spin and ball grab as full poly when using Nat Gut/poly hybrid. You will need to work for it to achieve similar levels of spin potential. Early prep, low to high, bend knees, accelerate rhs etc.

What you get is more comfort, feel, better tension maintenance and snap back from the poly cross.
 

Bucko

New User
@Bucko you will never get the same spin and ball grab as full poly when using Nat Gut/poly hybrid. You will need to work for it to achieve similar levels of spin potential. Early prep, low to high, bend knees, accelerate rhs etc.

What you get is more comfort, feel, better tension maintenance and snap back from the poly cross.
Understood. Just searching for the set up to produce the most spin with Gut/Poly
 

Taveren

Semi-Pro
Understood. Just searching for the set up to produce the most spin with Gut/Poly
My string of choice to hybrid with Nat Gut is Isospeed Black Fire, slick and low powered string with good tension maintenance. Allows the Nat Gut to slide and snap back while reigning in the power. But of course YMMV
 

blai212

Semi-Pro
@Bucko if u want great spin, go thin on the poly cross...17L SPPP is my preferred choice...the thinner gauge helps create notching in the gut mains faster but this actually helps promote snapback action. Less durability but more spin. Also, less surface area of the cross string rubbing against the gut mains which means less friction -> better snapback.


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Rally

Semi-Pro
I really like Wilson Revolve 16L with a prestretch (the prestretch is very important) as my cross string. I put 16g gut in the mains at 59 lbs and the Revolve at 56 lbs in my RF97 and 49 lbs for the gut and 46 lbs for the poly in my Pro Staff 90. I get really good tension maintenance after the prestretch on the Revolve and really good performance.

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Big4

New User
I recently got a pack of Wilson Natural Gut 16 as a sort of early Christmas gift. I normally play with full bed of BBO, but I was thinking of trying a hybrid because it gets pretty cold where I live in the winter and would like to try a more powerful setup. I have a reel of BBO so I was just planning on putting it in the crosses with the gut in the mains. Would you all say that BBO would be fine as a cross in the hybrid?
 
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