Best S & V players in the game today?

skaj

Legend
It's called being modest.
Post is public. That's how he volleys mostly. Just because you don't like it, it does not stop being true.
For people who didn't read the thread, both of this nonsenses are explained. The link for the thread is in the post #30 here.

The person who wrote this has a problem with accepting the obvious(which was even explained to them).
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
For people who didn't read the thread, both of this nonsenses are explained. The link for the thread is in the post #30 here.

The person who wrote this has a problem with accepting the obvious(which was even explained to them).

See the pause? If you haven't been paying attention, I suggest you give it a rest. It is a modified form of S&V. He does that often and compensates with his foot speed.

You just don't get it. You heard it from Petchey and McEnroe. Both said he's the best Volleyer of this generation. And you still keep arguing for the sake of arguing. And stats don't lie. You have no leg to stand on. You just keep repeating ad nauseum that he does not S&V often. Of course he does not. Who would with slow courts? If Fed decided to volley and lost the point, that's bad judgment. That judgment is a part of S&V decision.


Pat Cash says it too. Do you know more that legends like McEnroe and Cash? How many Slams have you won?
 
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S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru

See the pause?
I see it and it was an excellently executed play. My point is that it's not what I, a rec player who picked up the game in the late 70s, define as S&V, which is to continue to the net after the serve with no hesitation, no pause to see how good the serve was. What I'm defining as S&V is fundamentally different than the Nadal example because the risk of S&V, a great return, has been mostly removed from the equation.

Both plays are equally valid; I'm just quibbling over the semantics. I'm certainly not denying that Nadal has great net skills.

However, this difference disqualifies Nadal from "best S&Ver" contention because what he's doing is not S&V; it's as you stated, SW&V. Different animal, IMO.

Using winning point % as the standard, even assuming Nadal is doing S&V, is like saying X with one slam is the GOAT over Nadal/Djokovich/Federer with 20 apiece because X's winning % of points during that one slam was higher than the Big 3's %. In this case, quantity outweighs quality.

If McEnroe said that Nadal is the greatest volleyer of his generation, I can't argue against that. But he is not the greatest S&Ver.
 

skaj

Legend

See the pause? If you haven't been paying attention, I suggest you give it a rest. It is a modified form of S&V. He does that often and compensates with his foot speed.

You just don't get it. You heard it from Petchey and McEnroe. Both said he's the best Volleyer of this generation. And you still keep arguing for the sake of arguing. And stats don't lie. You have no leg to stand on. You just keep repeating ad nauseum that he does not S&V often. Of course he does not. Who would with slow courts? If Fed decided to volley and lost the point, that's bad judgment. That judgment is a part of S&V decision.


Pat Cash says it too. Do you know more that legends like McEnroe and Cash? How many Slams have you won?
Less than you I suppose... Also, Djokovic and Murray have won more slams combined than those two, so going by your amazing logic, they are right, ergo Federer had the best volleys in the last few years...

Again, post #30, follow the link, and you will find the answers there(those that you have found there already, cause you were saying all those same silly things and we have exposed how wrong they are, then and there).

It's all there, everyone can see it, so there is no point in repeating and pretending that it didn't happen. Unless you want people to think you have some psychological problems.
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
Less than you I suppose... Also, Djokovic and Murray have won more slams combined than those two, so going by your amazing logic, they are right, ergo Federer had the best volleys in the last few years...

Again, post #30, follow the link, and you will find the answers there(those that you have found there already, cause you were saying all those same silly things and we have exposed how wrong they are, then and there).

It's all there, everyone can see it, so there is no point in repeating and pretending that it didn't happen. Unless you want people to think you have some psychological problems.
The only person with psychological problems is YOU who keeps on repeating ad nauseum about post 30. McEnroe said it. Cash said it. Stats say it. End of story. Stop arguing.
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
I see it and it was an excellently executed play. My point is that it's not what I, a rec player who picked up the game in the late 70s, define as S&V, which is to continue to the net after the serve with no hesitation, no pause to see how good the serve was. What I'm defining as S&V is fundamentally different than the Nadal example because the risk of S&V, a great return, has been mostly removed from the equation.

Both plays are equally valid; I'm just quibbling over the semantics. I'm certainly not denying that Nadal has great net skills.

However, this difference disqualifies Nadal from "best S&Ver" contention because what he's doing is not S&V; it's as you stated, SW&V. Different animal, IMO.

Using winning point % as the standard, even assuming Nadal is doing S&V, is like saying X with one slam is the GOAT over Nadal/Djokovich/Federer with 20 apiece because X's winning % of points during that one slam was higher than the Big 3's %. In this case, quantity outweighs quality.

If McEnroe said that Nadal is the greatest volleyer of his generation, I can't argue against that. But he is not the greatest S&Ver.
He's not a traditional volleyer. In fact I prefer traditional volleys. His modified technique certainly makes him best of his generation. Best volleyer ever? Hell no. That title goes to McEnroe and Edberg.
Technique evolves as with forehands, backhands, serves etc. He certainly modified it for these courts to win on the volley stats which makes him the best of his gen. That's all I'm saying.
 

DjokoLand

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Tennis fans always say they miss the fast grass because it was S&V mostly. This is due too it being non existent these days but if all matches were like that it becomes really boring and you would cry for a rally.
S&V is boring too me when it was mostly all that way at Wimbledon but you would miss it these days as you never see it.

Also to answer the OP if it’s on grass it’s Dustin Brown. The guy was woeful from the baseline but had great success on Grass courts due to being good server and great volleying.
 

skaj

Legend
The only person with psychological problems is YOU who keeps on repeating ad nauseum about post 30. McEnroe said it. Cash said it. Stats say it. End of story. Stop arguing.
I am merely replying to your posts where YOU are repeating something that has already been explained to you; and the explanations(of the obvious) can be found in the post #30.
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
I am merely replying to your posts where YOU are repeating something that has already been explained to you; and the explanations(of the obvious) can be found in the post #30.
Good god. Post 30 again ad nauseum. Give it a rest dude. I'm bored and my final reply to you on this subject.

There is no disputing the fact that Nadal has the highest winning % at the net. He had tremendous hand skills. He has a modified s&v with exceptional judgment and foot speed. McEnroe, Cash, Petchey etc. say the same i.e. he's the best volleyer of his era. McEnroe is the greatest volleyer ever. If he says something, you'd better listen.
Whether you like it or not, it is a fact. It's your problem. And I'm bored of this conversation as you keep arguing without any basis.
 

skaj

Legend
Good god. Post 30 again ad nauseum. Give it a rest dude. I'm bored and my final reply to you on this subject.

There is no disputing the fact that Nadal has the highest winning % at the net. He had tremendous hand skills. He has a modified s&v with exceptional judgment and foot speed. McEnroe, Cash, Petchey etc. say the same i.e. he's the best volleyer of his era. McEnroe is the greatest volleyer ever. If he says something, you'd better listen.
Whether you like it or not, it is a fact. It's your problem. And I'm bored of this conversation as you keep arguing without any basis.
Sweetheart, you are repeating something that has already been exposed as wrong(see the post number 30). And you are accusing other posters of ad nausem and asking them to give it a rest.

Who has the problem here? You do the math.
 
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