Best seasons listed by year

[Deleted member 757377]

Best seasons on Ultimate Tennis Statistics ( http://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/bestSeasons ) ordered by year:

1968 : 1
1969 : 2
1970 : 3
1971 : 5
1972 : 3
1973 : 5
1974 : 3
1975 : 5
1976 : 2
1977 : 3
1978 : 3
1979 : 4
1980 : 3
1981 : 3
1982 : 3
1983 : 4
1984 : 4
1985 : 3
1986 : 2
1987 : 3
1988 : 4
1989 : 3
1990 : 4
1991 : 3
1992 : 3
1993 : 3
1994 : 2
1995 : 3
1996 : 2
1997 : 1
1998 : 2
1999 : 3
2000 : 3
2001 : 3
2002 : 2
2003 : 4
2004 : 2
2005 : 2
2006 : 2
2007 : 3
2008 : 3
2009 : 4
2010 : 3
2011 : 4
2012 : 5
2013 : 2
2014 : 3
2015 : 4
2016 : 2
2017 : 2
2018 : 3

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Top-50 seasons:

1968 :
1969 : 1
1970 : 1
1971 :
1972 :
1973 : 1
1974 : 1
1975 :
1976 : 1
1977 : 2
1978 : 2
1979 : 1
1980 : 1
1981 : 1
1982 : 2
1983 : 1
1984 : 1
1985 : 1
1986 : 1
1987 : 1
1988 : 1
1989 : 2
1990 : 1
1991 :
1992 : 1
1993 : 1
1994 : 1
1995 : 2
1996 :
1997 : 1
1998 :
1999 : 1
2000 :
2001 :
2002 :
2003 :
2004 : 1
2005 : 1
2006 : 1
2007 : 1
2008 : 1
2009 : 2
2010 : 1
2011 : 2
2012 : 2
2013 : 2
2014 : 1
2015 : 1
2016 : 2
2017 : 2
2018 :

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Top-100 seasons:

1968 :
1969 : 1
1970 : 2
1971 : 1
1972 : 3
1973 : 1
1974 : 1
1975 : 1
1976 : 2
1977 : 3
1978 : 2
1979 : 3
1980 : 2
1981 : 2
1982 : 3
1983 : 3
1984 : 3
1985 : 2
1986 : 2
1987 : 2
1988 : 3
1989 : 2
1990 : 2
1991 : 3
1992 : 1
1993 : 2
1994 : 1
1995 : 3
1996 : 1
1997 : 1
1998 : 1
1999 : 1
2000 : 2
2001 : 2
2002 : 1
2003 : 2
2004 : 1
2005 : 2
2006 : 2
2007 : 2
2008 : 3
2009 : 2
2010 : 2
2011 : 3
2012 : 2
2013 : 2
2014 : 3
2015 : 3
2016 : 2
2017 : 2
2018 : 2

 

[KINGROGER]

From 2003 onward:

2012=2009>2011>2007>2008>2005>2013=2004>2014=2003>>>>> weak > 2006=2015=2010>>>>>2017>2018>2016

Imo

 

[Deleted member 757377]

From 2003 onward:

2012=2009>2011>2007>2008>2005>2013=2004>2014=2003>>>>> weak > 2006=2015=2010>>>>>2017>2018>2016

Imo

According to this stat it's more something like:

2011/2012 > 2009/2015 > 2008/2014 > 2003/2007/2010/2013/2016/2017 > 2005/2006/2018* > 2004

*not finished

 

[Towny]

What's the metric for determining the best seasons?

 

[Druss]

Andy Murray's 2016 at No17, ahead of Nadal's 2008...and Pistol Pete's best season at No18?

Something doesn't smell right!

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Andy Murray's 2016 at No17, ahead of Nadal's 2008...and Pistol Pete's best season at No18?

Something doesn't smell right!

Typical Federer fan:

- find something disagreeable.

- trash the whole method

 

[Druss]

Typical Federer fan:

- find something disagreeable.

- trash the whole method

What does being a Fed fan have to do with this! I have followed tennis long enough to know that Nadal's 2008 is miles ahead of Murray's 2016.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

What does being a Fed fan have to do with this! I have followed tennis long enough to know that Nadal's 2008 is miles ahead of Murray's 2016.

Not what I wrote.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

What's the metric for determining the best seasons?

http://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/playerProfile?playerId=4920&tab=goatPoints&season=2015

 

[Druss]

Not what I wrote.

Yeah it's the UTS baloney link you posted.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Yeah it's the UTS baloney link you posted.

I wrote that it's typical by Fed fans to find something disagreeable (Nadal08 > Murray16 is TRUE) and trash the whole method completely, without taking any information from it.

 

[Druss]

I wrote that it's typical by Fed fans to find something disagreeable (Nadal08 > Murray16 is TRUE) and trash the whole method completely, without taking any information from it.

It started out as an interesting read, but when I saw Murray at No17, ahead of Sampras, and Nadal's 2008 not even on the first page, that's were for me it lost credibility.

 

[Sysyphus]

Typical Federer fan:

- find something disagreeable.

- trash the whole method

Typical Lew:

1. someone points out a potential flaw in your methodology that very well may be legitimate

2. no serious attempt at addressing this at all.

3. ???

4. $$$profit

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Typical Lew:

1. someone points out a potential flaw in your methodology that very well may be legitimate

2. no serious attempt at addressing this at all.

3. ???

4. $$$profit

All methods have valid points, I just post all of them, so anyone can choose the one they prefer.

And they all say the same thing.

 

[Sysyphus]

All methods have valid points, I just post all of them, so anyone can choose the one they prefer.

And they all say the same thing.

Yep, you're the furthest thing I've seen from a man with an agenda

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Players who reached 2 slam finals in a year:

2000: 1
2001: 0
2002: 0
2003: 1
2004: 1
2005: 1
2006: 2
2007: 2
2008: 2
2009: 1
2010: 1
2011: 2
2012: 3
2013: 3
2014: 2
2015: 2
2016: 2
2017: 2
2018: 1

 

[Phoenix1983]

What exactly do all these lists of numbers actually mean?

Are they somehow meant to imply that Novak Djokovic is GOAT, and far greater than Federer?

Because that's the only thing the OP ever tries to prove.

 

[KINGROGER]

According to this stat it's more something like:

2011/2012 > 2009/2015 > 2008/2014 > 2003/2007/2010/2013/2016/2017 > 2005/2006/2018* > 2004

*not finished

No way is 2015 stronger than 2007,2008,2014,2013,2004. One peak ATG guy dominating the field with his main competition either playing crap (Nadal) or old (Fed)?

That’s like 2006, minus having peak Nadal on clay.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

No way is 2015 stronger than 2007,2008,2014,2013,2004. One peak ATG guy dominating the field with his main competition either playing crap (Nadal) or old (Fed)?

That’s like 2006, minus having peak Nadal on clay.

But according to the stat 2015's players had no.1, no.84, no.85 and no.148 best seasons in the Open Era.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

According to this stat the best season ever is 2011:

4 players in the top-150
3 players in the top-100
2 players in the top-50

70s and 80s have many good years. Late 90s and early 2000s are the worst.

 

[KINGROGER]

According to this stat the best season ever is 2011:

4 players in the top-150
3 players in the top-100
2 players in the top-50

70s and 80s have many good years. Late 90s and early 2000s are the worst.

What stats are you referring to? And worst period is 2015 - 2018 by far. No other era ever has had geriatrics at the top with zero upcoming young talent challenging at the top.

 

[KINGROGER]

Oh I clicked the link. Murray’s 2016 over Djokovic’s 2016, Fed’s 2009/2012 or Nadal’s 2008. Lol. This website clearly uses ranking points or something to measure it, which doesn’t take into account competition. The best years are 09,12 and 11 followed by 07-08.

Gotta say I love your “stats”. It’s like you pick arbitrary nonsense and frame them in a certain light to fit your agenda. It’s very impressive.

 

[True Fanerer]

It's pretty simple really. If there is a year where one of the Big 3 sucked, it can't be a strong year. In 2015 Nadal sucked.

 

[King No1e]

Andy Murray's 2016 at No17, ahead of Nadal's 2008...and Pistol Pete's best season at No18?

Something doesn't smell right!

Nadal's 2008 was not his best season. 2010 and maybe even 2013 (higher winning percentage) were better

 

[Sport]

What stats are you referring to? And worst period is 2015 - 2018 by far. No other era ever has had geriatrics at the top with zero upcoming young talent challenging at the top.

What happened to Federer at Wimbledon 2011? I don't remember him facing Nadal or Djokovic at Wimbledon that year. Did he lose to Tsonga? A year where Federer loses early at Wimbledon can't be the strongest IMO.

 

[Jonas78]

But according to the stat 2015's players had no.1, no.84, no.85 and no.148 best seasons in the Open Era.

You are aware they have rated 2015 as Federers 11th best season? And Nadal 2015 is not on the list? Nads worst season on the list is 2012, which is rated 12th .

So Federers 11th best season and Nadals worst makes 2015 strong? I thought you put Big3 high?

 

[junior74]

What happened to Federer at Wimbledon 2011? I don't remember him facing Nadal or Djokovic at Wimbledon that year. Did he lose to Tsonga? A year where Federer loses early at Wimbledon can't be the strongest IMO.

We all know Tsonga's peak level is way above Federer's, so it's bound to happen every now and then...

 

[Sport]

Nadal's 2008 was not his best season. 2010 and maybe even 2013 (higher winning percentage) were better

I agree but Nadal in 2008 won 2 Grand Slams, one of them against Federer at Wimbledon. Murray in 2016 only won 1 Grand Slam: Wimbledon, without facing any member of the Big 3.
So the logical inconsistency of the system could be shown, since Nadal in 2008 had a better season than Murray in 2016. 2 GS > 1 GS.

 

[Towny]

Interesting that Federer 04-07 are all in the top 10. Federer 2015 down at 84. Anyone would think he was better in his mid-twenties but we know that's wrong and he clearly peaked at 34

 

[Jonas78]

Interesting that Federer 04-07 are all in the top 10. Federer 2015 down at 84. Anyone would think he was better in his mid-twenties but we know that's wrong and he clearly peaked at 34

Yeah in the Ultronians reality thats true...

Very strange some of Djokovic fans are very interested In putting Federer2015 as peak...

 

[Jonas78]

What happened to Federer at Wimbledon 2011? I don't remember him facing Nadal or Djokovic at Wimbledon that year. Did he lose to Tsonga? A year where Federer loses early at Wimbledon can't be the strongest IMO.

Federer had a very good period post Cincy2011 and into 2012 where he regained #1. That was the last of prime Fed...

 

[tennis_pro]

Stop making threads.

 

[Towny]

Very strange some of Djokovic fans are very interested In putting Federer2015 as peak

Yes I wonder why they would want to do that

 

[Deleted member 742196]

Typical Federer fan:

- find something disagreeable.

- trash the whole method

I'm an atypical fan. What I know is simple:

1. 2008 Nole wins his first slam.
2. 2009 ~ 2011 he does not get through Fedal at the slams, wedged as a solid #3.

It's a heck of a sample size to not infer the one immediate and exceedingly obvious conclusion.

 

[ABCD]

Very strange some of Djokovic fans are very interested In putting Federer2015 as peak...

Are you aware that Federer himself defined 2015 as his peak? How you can question his self-assessment is beyond me.

 

[Jonas78]

Are you aware that Federer himself defined 2015 as his peak? How you can question his self-assessment is beyond me.

Come on, tennis players are obligated to say these things. You think Federer would say in his speech after his Wimbledon-loss "Yeah Im not playing my best tennis anymore, i would crush Novak in my peak"?

Didnt Novak say after the Paris win over Fed that It was one of the best matches he had played this year? Most of his fans didnt even believe him...

 

[KINGROGER]

I agree but Nadal in 2008 won 2 Grand Slams, one of them against Federer at Wimbledon. Murray in 2016 only won 1 Grand Slam: Wimbledon, without facing any member of the Big 3.
So the logical inconsistency of the system could be shown, since Nadal in 2008 had a better season than Murray in 2016. 2 GS > 1 GS.

This is why stats need to be analysed and can’t just be looked at as cold hard numbers.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Interesting that Federer 04-07 are all in the top 10. Federer 2015 down at 84. Anyone would think he was better in his mid-twenties but we know that's wrong and he clearly peaked at 34

Yeah now let's focus on the fact that 2003-07 other than Federer had no top-50 season.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

You just have to tell me what is your favourite criteria.

Winning percentage?

Only slam results?

Just tell me and I will show you how 2003-07 was bad.

 

[Towny]

Yeah now let's focus on the fact that 2003-07 other than Federer had no top-50 season

Neither did 2015 for Djokovic but you would still say that he played at the highest level ever

 

[True Fanerer]

Yeah now let's focus on the fact that 2003-07 other than Federer had no top-50 season.

Typical Lew. Nadal is #51 for 2007

 

[KINGROGER]

You just have to tell me what is your favourite criteria.

Winning percentage?

Only slam results?

Just tell me and I will show you how 2003-07 was bad.

03-07>>>>15-18

 

[Jonas78]

Yeah now let's focus on the fact that 2003-07 other than Federer had no top-50 season.

So If you support these stats you also agree 2015 was Rogers 11th best season?

 

[KINGROGER]

05-07 prime ATG across surfaces:

HC: Federer
Grass: Federer, Nadal (2007)
Clay: Nadal, Federer

2015-2016 prime ATG across surfaces:

HC: Djokovic
Grass: Djokovic
Clay: Djokovic

Therefore 05-07>>>>>>>>>>15-16.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Neither did 2015 for Djokovic but you would still say that he played at the highest level ever

There's no.84, no.85 and no.148 to back it up.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

So If you support these stats you also agree 2015 was Rogers 11th best season?

By results yes, why not.

 

[KINGROGER]

There's no.84, no.85 and no.148 to back it up.

2009 and 2012 are the best seasons. 2011 could have been had Fed reached Nole at Wimbledon or Nadal put up a better fight instead of going 0-7 or whatever it was.

 

[Jonas78]

By results yes, why not.

Ok, so not by level of play?