Best seasons listed by year

[Deleted member 757377]

To say it in a simple way: Big3 could only dominate when one or two of the others werent on top. The only year close to an exception is 2011.

Federer and Nadal won all 2017 and 2018 slams not won by Djokovic.

Since 2011 they are all three peaking, and Djokovic was the only one able to win consecutive slams: once 4, once 3 and once 2.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

@Hydrocella

If you are looking for a real stat regarding the time of peak, here's an impressive one:

Djokovic won 12 slams between Federer's (WI03-AO18) and Nadal's (AO08-RG18) first and last 3/5 slam winning streak.

And 11 of those slam titles were during the 4th best player of the 2000s' peak too (2011-16).

 

[Jonas78]

Federer and Nadal won all 2017 and 2018 slams not won by Djokovic.

Since 2011 they are all three peaking, and Djokovic was the only one able to win consecutive slams: once 4, once 3 and once 2.

You cant seriously claim Nadal was peak 2015 and Federer 2013. It's among their absolute worst years. If you are into stats at all you know Im right.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

You cant seriously claim Nadal was peak 2015 and Federer 2013. It's among their absolute worst years. If you are into stats at all you know Im right.

I mean they were not too old or too young.

Decline can have different factors (opponents, injuries, lost motivation...). I'm just excluding age.

After he won 2 slams in a row, I will certainly not claim Djokovic was old in 2016-18.

 

[Jonas78]

I mean they were not too old or too young.

Decline can have different factors, opponents for example, I'm just excluding age.

Havent said anything about age. But Federers troubles in 2013 and Nadals troubles in 2015 had nothing to do with Djokovic, i think you know that.

You are into stats. Check out Fed2013 and Nad2015 stats vs the field. You exclude Djokovic pre 2011 by the same rules, the rules must apply to all players.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Havent said anything about age. But Federers troubles in 2013 and Nadals troubles in 2015 had nothing to do with Djokovic, i think you know that.

You are into stats. Check out Fed2013 and Nad2015 stats vs the field. You exclude Djokovic pre 2011 by the same rules, the rules must apply to all players.

If it's not about age, I agree.

Djokovic pre 2011 had won only 1 slam, in his case age is a valid explaination.

 

[Jonas78]

If it's not about age, I agree.

Djokovic pre 2011 had won only 1 slam and reached 1 final, in his case age is a valid explaination.

Do you agree Federer2013 and Nadal2015 was way below average level of play or not? Its a simple question.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Do you agree Federer2013 and Nadal2015 was way below average level of play or not? Its a simple question.

Yes but not because of age.

 

[Jonas78]

Yes but not because of age.

Thanks. I agree.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Hardcourt top-100 seasons:

2000: 3
2001: 2
2002: 2
2003: 3
2004: 3
2005: 1 (worst)
2006: 1 (worst)
2007: 2
2008: 4
2009: 5 (best)
2010: 4
2011: 4
2012: 3
2013: 3
2014: 5 (best)
2015: 3
2016: 3
2017: 3
2018: 3


Clay best seasons:

2000: 2
2001: 2
2002: 2
2003: 2
2004: 3
2005: 3
2006: 2
2007: 2
2008: 3
2009: 2
2010: 1 (worst)
2011: 2
2012: 4 (best)
2013: 2
2014: 2
2015: 4 (best)
2016: 3
2017: 2
2018: 3


Grass best seaons:

2000: 2
2001: 2
2002: 1 (worst)
2003: 1 (worst)
2004: 2
2005: 2
2006: 1 (worst)
2007: 1 (worst)
2008: 2
2009: 2
2010: 1 (worst)
2011: 2
2012: 2
2013: 2
2014: 2
2015: 3 (best)
2016: 2
2017: 2
2018: 2

 

[Jonas78]

Hardcourt top-100 seasons:

2000: 3
2001: 2
2002: 2
2003: 3
2004: 3
2005: 1 (worst)
2006: 1 (worst)
2007: 2
2008: 4
2009: 5 (best)
2010: 4
2011: 4
2012: 3
2013: 3
2014: 5 (best)
2015: 3
2016: 3
2017: 3
2018: 3


Clay best seasons:

2000: 2
2001: 2
2002: 2
2003: 2
2004: 3
2005: 3
2006: 2
2007: 2
2008: 3
2009: 2
2010: 1 (worst)
2011: 2
2012: 4 (best)
2013: 2
2014: 2
2015: 4 (best)
2016: 3
2017: 2
2018: 3


Grass best seaons:

2000: 2
2001: 2
2002: 1 (worst)
2003: 1 (worst)
2004: 2
2005: 2
2006: 1 (worst)
2007: 1 (worst)
2008: 2
2009: 2
2010: 1 (worst)
2011: 2
2012: 2
2013: 2
2014: 2
2015: 3 (best)
2016: 2
2017: 2
2018: 2

Could 4 players having their best clay-season in 2015 have to do with Nadal having his worst??

#FogniniGOAT.

This is actually proof that these lists are nonsense. Nadals worst year on clay simply can't be the strongest clay season 2000-2018.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Could 4 players having their best clay-season in 2015 have to do with Nadal having his worst??

#FogniniGOAT

Those 4 players were 66-6 (91.7%) against the field. I think there's not much to say.

 

[KINGROGER]

Lol at 2015/2016 being anywhere near the best clay/grass seasons. 2014 on HC over 2003,2007,2009,2011,2013? LOL.

 

[Bender]

Lol at 2015/2016 being anywhere near the best clay/grass seasons. 2014 on HC over 2003,2007,2009,2011,2013? LOL.

2015 / 2016 are the best clay seasons because Nadal lost a whole lot and therefore the field became relatively competitive.

 

[Jonas78]

2015 / 2016 are the best clay seasons because Nadal lost a whole lot and therefore the field became relatively competitive.

Nail on the head. And Im not even a Nadal-fan.

But i would go as far as saying 2015 is one onf the strongest clay-seasons is severe misuse of stats.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Lol at 2015/2016 being anywhere near the best clay/grass seasons. 2014 on HC over 2003,2007,2009,2011,2013? LOL.

''LOL'' is the biggest argumentation I've heard from you.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

2015 / 2016 are the best clay seasons because Nadal lost a whole lot and therefore the field became relatively competitive.

Djokovic and Murray were 63-2 non-Nadal players. Wawrinka was a bit more inconsistent but lost only to Murray at RG.

Nadal was good too, 47-5 excluding losses to Djokovic and Murray.

 

[KINGROGER]

2015 / 2016 are the best clay seasons because Nadal lost a whole lot and therefore the field became relatively competitive.

I mean yeah, they’re more competitive and therefore more enjoyable to watch as a fan.

I thought this thread’s whole agenda is to prove Djokovic had it toughest and Fed being a weak era fraud? Nadal being as bad compared to his peak in 15/16 means they’re the weakest clay years since 2004 for the top guy (Djokovic).

 

[Jonas78]

Djokovic and Murray had like 99% of wins against non-Nadal players. Wawrinka was a bit more inconsistent but lost only to Murray at RG.

Nadal was good too, 47-4 excluding losses to Djokovic and Murray.

What? He lost at least twice to the Fog and once to Stan.

Edit: ok, i can see you fixed it.

 

[Bender]

I mean yeah, they’re more competitive and therefore more enjoyable to watch as a fan.

I thought this thread’s whole agenda is to prove Djokovic had it toughest and Fed being a weak era fraud? Nadal being as bad compared to his peak in 15/16 means they’re the weakest clay years since 2004 for the top guy (Djokovic).

Yes, but why use stats backed by context and observation when you can take stats in isolation and tell whatever story you want?

Nail on the head. And Im not even a Nadal-fan.

But i would go as far as saying 2015 is one onf the strongest clay-seasons is severe misuse of stats.

It’s technically correct, but dishonest and intellectually dishonest.

It’s not much better than saying that there exists a strong correlation between H2O and every human death in history.

 

[KINGROGER]

Djokovic and Murray had like 99% of wins against non-Nadal players. Wawrinka was a bit more inconsistent but lost only to Murray at RG.

Nadal was decent too, 26-2 excluding losses to Djokovic and Murray.

05-08 Nadal >>>>> 14-16 version.

2015/2016 are some of the worst years... one peak ATG guy beating up a field that consisted of old Fed lacking a FH and his pigeon Murray who couldn’t even go 5 sets once. Thank god Wawrinka saved tennis twice.

 

[KINGROGER]

Yes, but why use stats backed by context and observation when you can take stats in isolation and tell whatever story you want?

I’d rate 2006 over any of those years anyway.... those Fedal matches were all quite epic and all BO5 with much higher quality on show than any Murrovic clay match ever. Same for 2009 and 2011 too.

 

[KINGROGER]

''LOL'' is the biggest argumentation I've heard from you.

I’ve yet to see any valid stats from you that prove anything.

“Number if top 98 seasons in a particular year” isn’t an indication of anything.

 

[Bender]

I’d rate 2006 over any of those years anyway.... those Fedal matches were all quite epic and all BO5 with much higher quality on show than any Murrovic clay match ever. Same for 2009 and 2011 too.

I’d put 2005 over 2006 if I didn’t have to consider fed.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

The seasons in the list are:

2015 Djokovic
2015 Murray
2015 Wawrinka
2015 Nadal
2016 Djokovic
2016 Murray
2016 Nadal

Wanna know their score against the field?

115-9 (92.7%)

 

[Deleted member 757377]

The seasons in the list are:

2015 Djokovic
2015 Murray
2015 Wawrinka
2015 Nadal
2016 Djokovic
2016 Murray
2016 Nadal

Wanna know their score against the field?

115-9 (92.7%)

In clay big tournaments:

92-4 (95.8%)

At Roland Garros:

52-0 (100%)

 

[Towny]

Wanna know their score against the field?

115-9 (92.7%)

Serious question. Do you genuinely believe that Novak had stronger competition in 2015 than in 2011?

 

[Deleted member 757377]

92.7% on clay
95.8% in clay big tournaments
100% at Roland Garros

Please go ahead and tell me 3 or 4 players who had this winning percentage in any other year.

And I'm not even saying 2004-07 was worse, the stats show clay was the only surface with good competition (and guess what is the surface Federer didn't win? )

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Serious question. Do you genuinely believe that Novak had stronger competition in 2015 than in 2011?

If we search in this great stat more deeply, we can see his best competitor in 2011 had the 13th best season, while his best competitor in 2015 had the 77th best season.

I would say 2015 had a deeper field but 2011 had one bigger main rival.

 

[KINGROGER]

If we search in this great stat more deeply, we can see his best competitor in 2011 had the 13th best season, while his best competitor in 2015 had the 77th best season.

I would say 2015 had a deeper field but 2011 had one bigger main rival.

13th best season according to what?

 

[Deleted member 757377]

13th best season according to what?

http://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/bestSeasons

 

[KINGROGER]

http://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/bestSeasons

2011 Nadal is the 13th best season ever? Murray’s 2016 is better than Fed’s 2012 or Nadal’s 2008?

 

[Deleted member 757377]

2015 / 2016 are the best clay seasons because Nadal lost a whole lot and therefore the field became relatively competitive.

Actually I don't think they're the best, and you have to look for the reason right in that stat:

2015's best seasons are only no.39 and no.77
2016's best seasons are only no.22 and no.57

They had 3-4 very good players but lacked a clay monster as 2005-08 / 2010-2014 / 2017-18 Nadal.

 

[True Fanerer]

Djokovic's losses

2007: 19
2008: 17
2009: 19
2010: 18
2011: 6
2012: 12
2013: 9
2014: 8
2015: 6
2016: 9
2017: 8
2018: 11

It's perfectly normal 2007-10 Djokovic could lose 5 matches to a good player like Roddick.

Yeah right

http://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/playerProfile?playerId=4920&tab=matches&season=2009

His record against Roddick stands out like a turd in a punchbowl.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Yeah right

http://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/playerProfile?playerId=4920&tab=matches&season=2009

His record against Roddick stands out like a turd in a punchbowl.

Soderling, Davydenko, Haas, Haas, Kohlschreiber, Ferrer, Tsonga, Nieminen, Gulbis

 

[True Fanerer]

Soderling, Davydenko, Haas, Haas, Kohlschreiber, Ferrer, Tsonga, Nieminen, Gulbis

Click on rivalries 2009. You know how to use the site Lew, better than anyone LOL

 

[Jonas78]

92.7% on clay
95.8% in clay big tournaments
100% at Roland Garros

Please go ahead and tell me 3 or 4 players who had this winning percentage in any other year.

And I'm not even saying 2004-07 was worse, the stats show clay was the only surface with good competition (and guess what is the surface Federer didn't win? )

Now come on! Nadal 2005-2014 won 9/10 FOs and 19/30 clay Masters. Nadals severe decline can't make 2015 one of the strongest years. I simply dont believe you actually mean that.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

2011 Nadal is the 13th best season ever? Murray’s 2016 is better than Fed’s 2012 or Nadal’s 2008?

On clay.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Click on rivalries 2009. You know how to use the site Lew better than anyone LOL

Please stop, I beg you.

In the 3 years he lost to Roddick, he lost to Tsonga, Tsonga, Tsonga, Safin, Anderson, Simon, Davydenko, Soderling, Davydenko, Haas, Haas, Kohlschreiber, Ferrer, Tsonga, Nieminen, Gulbis, Llodra, Berdych, Malisse, Melzer, Krajinovic, Verdasco, Rochus, Ljubicic, Youzhny, Tsonga.

aces / double fault ratio:

2009: 1.9
2010: 1.1
2011: 2.4
2012: 3.5
2013: 4
2014: 4.1

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Now come on! Nadal 2005-2014 won 9/10 FOs and 19/30 clay Masters. Nadals severe decline can't make 2015 one of the strongest years. I simply dont believe you actually mean that.

Read this:

Actually I don't think they're the best, and you have to look for the reason right in that stat:

2015's best seasons are only no.39 and no.77
2016's best seasons are only no.22 and no.57

They had 3-4 very good players but lacked a clay monster as 2005-08 / 2010-2014 / 2017-18 Nadal.

 

[True Fanerer]

Please stop, I beg you.

In the 3 years he lost to Roddick, he lost to Tsonga, Tsonga, Tsonga, Safin, Anderson, Simon, Davydenko, Soderling, Davydenko, Haas, Haas, Kohlschreiber, Ferrer, Tsonga, Nieminen, Gulbis, Llodra, Berdych, Malisse, Melzer, Krajinovic, Verdasco, Rochus, Ljubicic, Youzhny, Tsonga.

aces / double fault ratio:

2009: 1.9
2010: 1.1
2011: 2.4
2012: 3.5
2013: 4
2014: 4.1

He won 80% of his matches in 2009 and 0% vs Roddick.

 

[KINGROGER]

Please stop, I beg you.

In the 3 years he lost to Roddick, he lost to Tsonga, Tsonga, Tsonga, Safin, Anderson, Simon, Davydenko, Soderling, Davydenko, Haas, Haas, Kohlschreiber, Ferrer, Tsonga, Nieminen, Gulbis, Llodra, Berdych, Malisse, Melzer, Krajinovic, Verdasco, Rochus, Ljubicic, Youzhny, Tsonga.

aces / double fault ratio:

2009: 1.9
2010: 1.1
2011: 2.4
2012: 3.5
2013: 4
2014: 4.1

Yet you don’t allow the same logic to be used for Fed’s 2008-2010 losses to Murray when he was losing to everyone back then outside of slams.

 

[KINGROGER]

On clay.

So Djokovic had it easier on clay than Fed did. I agree.

Grass/HC are negligible. 2015/2006 both same level of strength.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

He won 80% of his matches in 2009 and 0% vs Roddick.

Ok.

 

[Username_]

can i have whatever you're smoking too?

 

[Jonas78]

Read this:

Well If you agree 2015 isnt one of the best clay seasons what are we discussing? .

Federer 2005-2008 is 64-3 on clay without Nads, Nadal surely made an impact on the surface...

 

[Deleted member 757377]

So Djokovic had it easier on clay than Fed did. I agree.

Grass/HC are negligible. 2015/2006 both same level of strength.

LOL

2006 Hardcourt:

no.114 Blake

2006 Clay:

no.9 Nadal

2006 Grass:

-


2015 Hardcourt:

no.32 Federer
no.62 Murray
no.101 Wawrinka

2015 Clay:

no.77 Wawrinka
no.113 Murray
no.121 Nadal


2015 Grass:

no.85 Federer
no.125 Murray

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Well If you agree 2015 isnt one of the best clay seasons what are we discussing? .

Federer 2005-2008 is 64-3 on clay without Nads, Nadal surely made an impact on the surface...

It's not the best but it is among the best.

 

[Towny]

It's not the best but it is among the best

Given this whole thing is about bigging up Djokovic, the questions you've got to ask is who had it harder on clay? Fed against prime Nadal, or Novak against Flash-in-the-pan Stan, Murray and Poor-form Nadal. I think the answer's obvious.

BTW, I do think that Novak did have it harder overall on hardcourts in 2015 compared to Fed in 06, but it's not as big a difference as you think

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Given this whole thing is about bigging up Djokovic, the questions you've got to ask is who had it harder on clay? Fed against prime Nadal, or Novak against Flash-in-the-pan Stan, Murray and Poor-form Nadal. I think the answer's obvious.

BTW, I do think that Novak did have it harder overall on hardcourts in 2015 compared to Fed in 06, but it's not as big a difference as you think

Mere opinions.

The stats show 2015 Djokovic had 3 good opponents on clay, to Federer's 1 excellent opponent, and on hardcourt/grass 2015 Djokovic had 2/3 good opponents to 2006 Federer's nothing.