Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Federer20042006, Apr 8, 2014.
Wow, I don't see you often..
Thanks but your list is not applicable to subject as well.
But if he were healthy he would arguably outclass Roger at 33, 35...
Lol keep dreaming. Haas was as healthy as he could be in 2012 considering past injuries and he was no where close to #4 in the world e.g. At a similar age to Roger now.
Well put and oh so true Bobby. Unfortuately, the Fed fanboys don't realize the pleasure in seeing tennis' "big picture" and that to do so would allow them to appreciate Federer's accomplishments in a more broader sense. Instead, they circle the wagons, put a wall around Federer and mount their "Wikipedia/Google" defense of his legacy ..... for the sole purpose of saying "MY favorite pro is better than anybody."
Speaking of Pancho Gonzalez, I don't think any one of them could tell you how many 'hands' Pancho Segura needed to hit his "pretty good" forehand : )
Federer's 1hbh is the most beautiful shot ever. Too bad it gets destroyed by Nadal's brutish assaults.
Lleyton, my bad. I never watched Robert play.
NatF, Federer was 31, Haas was 34 and injured. Tommy beat Federer at Halle
Wait until Roger will be 36...
Dedans Penthouse, I'm surprised to get good support even in the GPPD forum when critisizing Federer fans. Thanks a lot!
Yes, I think many youngsters use to google in Wikipedia searching information about their idol (mostly Federer) and don't bother to get information about Tilden, Gonzalez or Rosewall. In another thread someone asked Who the hell is Budge?
The few who know Pancho Segura at all would believe he played a double-handed backhand...
By the way, some experts rank Segura's forehand the all-time greatest. I tend to agree.
Pancho Segura at 93 is still alive (But in a wheelchair). He is unique for reaching his peak as late as 1950 when he was already 29. But Little Pancho was a top player till 1962 when being 41. Even in 1966 he managed to beat Ken Rosewall in a pro tournament...
Rubens, I think that Peter Paul Rubens would have painted rather Rosewall's backhand...;-)
Bobby, just out of curiosity, do you ever feel a sense of kinship with Roger Federer because unlike every other male all time great he is a native German speaker, like yourself? His first language is German, Swiss German to be exact! I know you favor Rosewall over him of course, but I was just wondering if you were partial to German speaking players.
Golden, That "Robert" was known as Bob, one of the all-time great doubles players but still rather tough in singles. No relationship with Lleyton.
Did you know that there was a Grant Golden from the USA in the 1950s? He won at least seven tournaments. Don't know if he is still alive (born in 1929).
President, Interesting question. I never felt a sense of kinship with Roger. I respect him as a great player with an aesthetically game and as a nice person.
Swiss German is difficult to understand for a German or Austrian. By the way Swiss German is more related to English than German is. F. i. the Swiss say sometimes similary words to English words: for the term "I said" they say "Ich said" whereas a German or Austrian would say "Ich sagte". I stongly believe that the reason for that little difference is caused by the fact that the Swiss people always lived in a mountainous landscape where old languages can survive longer than in flat countries or in metropoles. The OLD German was very similar to the OLD English but 500 years ago (Martin Luther) the German language changed significantly and went away from English...
I would contradict that Federer is the only German speaking all-time great.
There also were Froitzheim, von Cramm and Nüsslein from Germany and of course Becker and Stich (we both almost forgot them) plus Muster from Austria. Hope that D.Thiem will become an all-time great one day...
By the way, when Peter Feigl played against Rosewall in late 1978 at the AO I worried for a Rosewall win (alas, Muscles lost his last match at the AO in a long five-setter after leading 6-2, 6-2). Years later I met Feigl in Vienna and he said it was his greatest win (became No.35 by that victory).
I never was partial to German speaking players, just a bit partial to fellow Austrians like Kary, Feigl, Muster, Skoff, Antonitsch, Melzer.
You might not know that most Austrians dislike German and Swiss sportsmen and -women. I don't know exactly why...
By the way , I envy Switzerland to be a free country (not member of the European Union) and to practice "Direct Democracy" which means that every year Swiss people have got the right to express about 3 times their opinions and wishes in plebiscites, even about non-p.c.-matters. That's almost unique in the world! In Austria and elsewhere we can vote for a party and wait four or five years if "our" candidates will make a good policy (or not...).
Serve - Becker
Forehand - Federer, Graf
1hbh - Edberg (watch vid of him and Fed practicing) Slice - Federer
Fh volley - Becker
Bh volley - Edberg
Overhead smash - Sampras
Interesting and educational response Bobby. By all time great, I meant of course top 10 all time, of which I believe Federer is clearly the only German speaking male player. Thanks for that post!
Id say most of Haas's shots are quite good looking. His serve is one of my favs to watch.
He's a good all-court player.
Tommy wasn't injured at Halle. Federer won Wimbledon 3 weeks later. Which is clearly more important. In 3 years time I imagine Federer could still be top 10.
serve: Sampras, Federer
return: Date, Nalbandian
forehand: Federer, Stosur
1H backhand: Henin, Gasquet
2H Backhand: Mecir, Hingis
slice: Rosewall, Goolagong
volleys: Edberg, Mcenroe
overhead: Sampras, Hingis
lob: Hingis, Nalbandian
drop shot: Rios, Hingis
passing shots: Borg, Nadal
When it comes asthetics, I can't go past Becker. I loved all of his serve, FH, BH and volley motions. I like the service motion of Lendl, Edberg, Wilander and Sampras as well. BH of Lendl and Wilander also look cool.
Federer the way he played the 2017 AO. You can't build a better player aesthetically than that. Literally flawless in every aspect of the game.
Bonus Fedfan points if you can tell me exactly when this beauty was struck (opponent, set, score). Any Fedfan worth his/her salt should know!
In the interest of brevity I have only one nomination in each category. It hurts because the way Agassi used to gather the racquet in his non-dominant hand when smacking forehands to me is a thing of beauty.
1st Serve: Sampras
2nd Serve: Gonzalez
Slice / Chip Defensive Forehand: Nadal
Slice / Chip Defensive Backhand: Rosewall
Slice (forehand and backhand) ROS: Wawrinka
Attacking Topspin Forehand: Nadal
Rally Topspin Forehand: Nadal
Forehand Volley: Sampras
Backhand Volley: Laver
Backhand Smash: Federer
Forehand Smash: Nadal
S/H Topspin Backhand: Wawrinka
D/H Topspin Backhand: Agassi
Half Volley: Laver
Court Speed / Movement Efficiency / Anticipation: Federer
I share similar sentiment. Federer is my asthetically greatest player of all time.
US Open 2008 against Djokovic. Very near the beginning of the match if I remember correctly.
wawrinka s backhand is by far the most glorious sight in tenis for me,I also find feds bh very beautifull second to stans but it just looks less impresive,wawrinkas is more complex.Even though I do like gasquet and I like his backhand ,I don t find it even close to these 2 previous mentioned backhands aestheticaly speaking ,seems to me like he slaps the ball with it,while wawa and fed drive through it more,especialy stan.The forehand and serve go to fed ,esepcialy his forehand,but I do also enjoy delpo s fh and verdascos fh.From 2 handed backhands the only ones I like are nishikoris nalbandians and fogninis.
Could not pass on this gem...
Aesthetically? Every god damn thing Federer does. He move like a panther and it's really poetry in motion. I've seen no one move like him. Just divine awesomeness as nature intended it to be.
Volkl super G 10 mp / Origin hybrid.
Federer's serve is the best looking stroke in the history of tennis. His forehand is up there too.
I like Wawrinka's backhand. And there's no such thing as an aesthetic two hander.
Federer got a better looking two handed than Simon
Blasphemy! Simon's backhand is the best looking two hander there is!
Head Band: Federer
Racket Crunch: Federer
Water Bottle Toss: Federer
GOAT WAG: Federer
Obsessed Fans: Federer
you should see Mecir play then, he makes Federer looks stiff and jerky.
Federer has the most beautiful forehand though, that's perhaps the most beautiful tennis shot I have ever seen(Edberg's backhand volley comes to mind here also)
Yeah, I remember the Big Cat. Lulled opponents with sleepy looking strokes and then BAM, down the line:
Damn. Now I'm watching videos of The Big Cat. Yep, agree, he's more effortless than Fed. Lethal effortlessness.
For all the people that think the modern game is much more punishing then the classic one, watch some of the rallies. If anything the poly revolution helped the millions of novice/rec players like us more than the pros. I doubt anybody but Fed in today's field could do as well with the equipment and strings these guys were working with.
Best passing shots - scratch Nadal, GTFO with the poly strings. Insert Mercir. In-fact he kind of plays a bit like an effortless Nadal. Kind of amazing how much topspin these guys were generating back in the day.
Feli Lopez - all
2008 USO Semi vs Nole. 1st set Fed up 2-1, 15-30 no?
Hot shot to umpire's eye:
Korda one handed backhand - effortless style
Safin or Nalbandian BH
Rios movement and touch shots
Lopez overall style
serve: sampras, edberg, federer, philippoussis, ivanisevic (although a bit special)
FH: gonzalez, federer, sampras, srichaphan, dimitrov
1HBH: federer, edberg, lendl, srichaphan, wawrinka
2HBH: baghdatis, gulbis, rios
volleys: edberg, rafter, henman
diving at the net and ROF (with or without L): rafter, becker
no, please no...... why not mention simon while we're at it ?!
Serve: Raonic, Federer, Roddick
Forehand: Federer, Agassi, Blake
1hbh: Federer, Dimitrov, Haas
2hbh: Agassi, Nalbandian, Safin
Slice bh: Federer, Dolgopolov, Murray
Volley: Edberg, McEnroe, Rafter
Drop shot: Coria, Agassi, Djokovic
Lob: Hewitt, Murray, Agassi
Tweener: Federer, Monfils, Nadal
Overhead: Sampras, Federer, Roddick
Serve: Sampras, Raonic
Forehand: Federer, Fernando González, Borg
1H Backhand: Federer, Haas, Edberg
2H Backhand: Murray, Nalbandian, Agassi
Slice Backhand: Federer, Murray
Movement/Footwork: Nadal, Federer
Volleys: Edberg, Rafter
lol It's not too bad looking! Maybe I meant her slice bh no?
aaah my eyes !!!!!
I can't believe how many people voted for Sampras on the serve. His serve was very effective but terrible to look at IMO
Maybe if he didn't start it hunching like a gorilla it would have been fine
Serve: Feli Lopez
1H Backhand: Kuerten
2H Backhand: Safin
Pass : Nadal
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