Best streaks against big4

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BEST STREAKS AGAINST BIG4

10+ wins

Nadal 18-3 (MonteCarlo 2008 - Madrid 2009)
Djokovic: 14-2 (Australian Open 2011 - Australian Open 2012)
Nadal 14-4 (MonteCarlo 2012 - Roland Garros 2014)
Djokovic 20-3 (Indian Wells 2015 - Rome 2016)

Djokovic 26-5 (Wimbledon 2014 - Rome 2016)

... and IMO the best one:

Djokovic 34-8 (Bejing 2013 - Rome 2016)


Federer's best: 15-9 (Dubai 2014 - Shanghai 2017)
Murray's best: 10-6 (Dubai 2008 - Miami 2009)
 
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Longer streaks (5+ years):

1) Djokovic 56-22 (australian open 2011 - rome 2016)
2) Nadal 45-25 (montecarlo 2008 - roland garros 2014)
 
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Djokovic AO11-AO12 + Bejing13-Madrid16 : 19 wins and 4 losses in finals against the big4 :eek::confused:
 
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Lew said:
Federer was the best at containing Djokovic in both his GOAT streaks.

7 wins and 15 losses. But 1-6 in slams and 2-9 in finals.
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The old man did what he could. Not his fault that players from Djoko's own generation didn't step up.
 
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Djokovic AO11 - RG12 semifinal + WI14 - WI18: 19 wins and 1 loss in grand slams against the big4 :confused::confused::confused:
 
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True Fanerer said:
The old man did what he could. Not his fault that players from Djoko's own generation didn't step up.
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Yeah Nole's generation is well known for being weak:

players born in 1985-88: 39 slam titles, 72 finals, 127 semifinals

''Old man'' 3 years later won 3 slams and had his best results against the players who beat his ass as teenagers during his ''peak''.
 
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Lew said:
Yeah Nole's generation is well known for being weak:

1985-88: djokovic, nadal, murray, wawrinka, del potro, cilic, tsonga, berdych

''Old man'' 3 years later won 3 slams and had his best results against the players who beat his ass as teenagers during his ''peak''.
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All the the cherry picking bs stats that you can conjure up won't give Djokovic enough slams to be GOAT. He shouldn't have been getting beat in slam finals by NON members of the big 3.
 
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True Fanerer said:
All the the cherry picking bs stats that you can conjure up won't give Djokovic enough slams to be GOAT. He shouldn't have been getting beat in slam finals by NON members of the big 3.
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He just lost 2 finals to Murray and 2 to Wawrinka, who are far from being simple ''non big3''. Especially Murray.

Unluckily he played 78.3% of his slam finals against ATGs, to Federer's 57.7%.
 
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Lew said:
He just lost 2 finals to Murray and 2 to Wawrinka, who are far from being simple ''non big3''. Especially Murray.

Unluckily he played 78.3% of his slam finals against ATGs, to Federer's 57.7%.
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Why do you insist on overrating Murray all the time? In terms of level he's the Andy Roddick of this era. In terms of achievements he's barely above Hewitt.
 
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Djokodalerer31 said:
Well i don't obviously, as i think Novak deserves some respect for his achievements!
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Nah. He gets enough respect from the media and guys like Lew who are obsessed. I like MichaelNadal becaue he isn't afraid to speak his mind and doesn't beat around the bush. He tells it like he feels it.

Also he likes Dragon Ball and any guy that enjoys that anime/manga gets a huge plus in my book.
 
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Lew said:
Yeah Nole's generation is well known for being weak:

players born in 1985-88: 39 slam titles, 72 finals, 127 semifinals

''Old man'' 3 years later won 3 slams and had his best results against the players who beat his ass as teenagers during his ''peak''.
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Which players beat his ass as teenagers? Aside from Nadal on clay? (Which were never beat downs anyway aside from 2008 RG)

This stat doesn’t mean much to Fed as he’s from a different generation. But worth noting wasn’t he like 18-0 vs top 10 in 2004? And has the longest streaks ever on grass and HC. Your stats are basically just “best winning % over a random group of players over an arbitrary time period”.
 
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Lew said:
He just lost 2 finals to Murray and 2 to Wawrinka, who are far from being simple ''non big3''. Especially Murray.

Unluckily he played 78.3% of his slam finals against ATGs, to Federer's 57.7%.
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3 slam finals vs old Federer. About the same level as Hewitt, Roddick, Safin despite the first guy being an ATG.

Oh wait, your 78.3% has Murray and Wawrinka as ATG.
 
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KINGROGER said:
3 slam finals vs old Federer. About the same level as Hewitt, Roddick, Safin despite the first guy being an ATG.

Oh wait, your 78.3% has Murray and Wawrinka as ATG.
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No Wawrinka is not an ATG (despite he had 4 years at ATG level).
 
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Sabratha said:
Why do you insist on overrating Murray all the time? In terms of level he's the Andy Roddick of this era. In terms of achievements he's barely above Hewitt.
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big titles:

murray 20
roddick 6
hewitt 6

gs winning percentage:

murray 81.1% (no.22 of all time)
roddick 74.4% (no.51)
hewitt 69.8% (no.88)

davis cup winning percentage:

murray 90.9%
hewitt 75%
roddick 73.3%

vs top-10s winning percentage:

murray 55.2% (no.9 of all time)
hewitt 47.1% (no.18)
roddick 33.6% (no.69)
 
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Djokovic has an active streak of 11 wins in grand slams against the big4 :eek:

Nadal's longest streak: 6
Federer's longest streak: 2 (LOL)
 
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Lew said:
big titles:

murray 20
roddick 6
hewitt 6

gs winning percentage:

murray 81.1% (no.22 of all time)
roddick 74.4% (no.51)
hewitt 69.8% (no.88)

davis cup winning percentage:

murray 90.9%
hewitt 75%
roddick 73.3%

vs top-10s winning percentage:

murray 55.2% (no.9 of all time)
hewitt 47.1% (no.18)
roddick 33.6% (no.69)
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Where is the difference in level? They play almost exactly the same.
 
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No Wawrinka is not an ATG (despite he had 4 years at ATG level).
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Neither is Murray. No amount of masters titles will elevate him above Roddick/Hewitt for peak play. They were all basically the same peak for peak at GS except Murray didn’t have to face peak Fed.
 
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NatF said:
lol Hewitt played at like twice the level of Murray in those two matches.
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Sure sure.

Best ranked players Hewitt beat in 2005:

no.2
no.3
no.7
no.9
no.15
no.17
no.24
no.27
no.27
no.30


Best ranked players Murray beat in 2008:

no.1
no.1
no.2
no.2
no.3
no.3
no.4
no.6
no.9
no.10
no.10
no.10


But Hewitt played two times better, we all trust your eye test ;)
 
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Lew said:
Sure sure.

Best ranked players Hewitt beat in 2005:

no.2
no.3
no.7
no.9
no.15
no.17
no.24
no.27
no.27
no.30


Best ranked players Murray beat in 2008:

no.1
no.1
no.2
no.2
no.3
no.3
no.4
no.6
no.9
no.10
no.10
no.10


But Hewitt played two times better, we all trust your eye test ;)
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Eyes, match stats, the fact Hewitt actually won a set and was a point away from winning another...

o_O
 
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Lew said:
Djokovic has an active streak of 11 wins in grand slams against the big4 :eek:

Nadal's longest streak: 6
Federer's longest streak: 2 (LOL)
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In Federer's peak big 4 weren't even a concept. How unfortunate that in 2005-2006 Roger couldn't meet Nadal in his 2015 form at RG, and have Murray and the 34 year old himself (playing as they did against Djokovic in their respective Slam meetings) as the strongest opponents at the other 3 Slams. That would be some winning streak I bet. Same for Nadal in his W 2011-AO 2012 period.
 
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NatF said:
Eyes, match stats, the fact Hewitt actually won a set and was a point away from winning another...

o_O
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AO 2016:

Simon 2 sets won against Djokovic.
Federer + Murray + Nishikori: 1

Federer + Murray + Nishikori < Simon

Anyway you could even be right for one match, who knows, it can't be proved. What I want to prove is Murray is ten times the player Hewitt was.
 
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True Fanerer said:
Good for him. He was also losing in slams to Nishikori LOL and Wawrinka who took him to SCHOOL at RG.
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Winning 6 slams out of 8 beating 10 times the three best players of the 2000s still looks better than any kind of peak Federer ever reached.
 
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Lew said:
AO 2016:

Simon 2 sets won against Djokovic.
Federer + Murray + Nishikori: 1

Federer + Murray + Nishikori < Simon

Anyway you could even be right for one match, who knows, it can't be proved. What I want to prove is Murray is ten times the player Hewitt was.
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Murray is hardly better than Hewitt at all lol. He is like 1.3x better than Hewitt. What is with you and overrating Murray? Do you have a crush on him or something?
 
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True Fanerer said:
Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic are the three best players of the 2000's. Not Murray you fool. Even die-hard Murray fans acknowledge this.
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He honestly thinks Murray is 10 times the player Hewitt was lol. What am I reading?
 
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True Fanerer said:
Murray is better, but they are very comparable when looking at the different eras.
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Not by 10x though. I even said he's perhaps like 1.3-1.5x better than Hewitt. But it isn't by a massive margin and a lot of it isn't due to level of play, it's due to longevity.

Level of play wise they are pretty comparable.
 
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True Fanerer said:
Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic are the three best players of the 2000's. Not Murray you fool. Even die-hard Murray fans acknowledge this.
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Could he beat himself?

Three best players OTHER THAN HIMSELF.
 
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True Fanerer said:
Not in slam finals vs Djokovic and you know that. All the bs streaks and h2h you post are shot down by the existence of Wawrinka. Accept it. Kept him from winning AO too in 2014.
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Have him play 9 slam finals/semis against Djokovic first.

Anyway, a certain match up doesn't mean Wawrinka is tougher to beat than Murray.
 
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