Best string for GE

Toronto11

New User
I continue to battle golfers elbow especially when hitting serves and forehands. I know that stringing looser is helpful but which types of are best? Thx
 

Muppet

Legend
You may be doing too much of your serve motion with your arm. Try using more shoulder rotation and less elbow pushing. Maybe the idea of opening your chest as you drop your tossing arm will help with your rotation. On forehands, don't hit the ball late. If you have more of your mass behind the ball your arm will not be left hanging out there to absorb the impact. Also, footwork.

Natural gut.
 
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Best is relative. In terms of softness, full bed of natural gut. But that can be expensive. I think a full bed of multifilament feels plenty soft enough, but I break a set of multi in 6 to 8 hrs. If you're not a string breaker, I'd try full bed muli-filament first. If you want to maintain ultimate playability and durability, gut mains with a poly cross can give great power, spin, and durability and still be fairly soft on the arm. Honestly, all three of those options should be soft enough for your arm, so if you are noticing pain with either of these set ups, then you need to take time off and possibly therapy to get the GE healed up better.
 
Lose the poly....it is an arm killer....I was sidelined for months when I tried poly hybrid(Luxilon Smart-Wilson Synth gut) and have since gone back to full Comfort synth....Strung at 45 it gives me plenty control and power....although the arm is still not quite right....beware...
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
Natural gut is best for a temperamental arm, no question.

But don’t make the mistake of playing through the pain. It’s best to see the doctor, take time off to heal the injury, and only return to the game when you are pain free.

Upon your return, play with the softest setup you can (this is where nat gut comes in). Get on court with a good coach to address any technical deficiencies which may have contributed to the injury in the first place. Continue any strength training exercises/PT your doctor hopefully will have recommended to ward off recurrence. Over time you may (or may not) find you will be able to transition to a stiffer string setup.

GE really sucks, and it’s usually quite a tough bugger to completely get rid of. Good luck.
 

Toronto11

New User
Yup one handed BH however that’s the one shot that doesn’t seem to get bothered when the GE comes on. I find my GE really acts up after playing multiple days in a row.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
I continue to battle golfers elbow especially when hitting serves and forehands. I know that stringing looser is helpful but which types of are best? Thx
I coach a local high school team and a couple years ago our #1 boy was getting a significant case of golfer's elbow at the start of the spring season. He was playing with Pure Drives strung with full beds of RPM Blast that were likely turning more firm and harsh when we were getting outdoors in the cold conditions we typically see at that time of year.

Once it looked as though the tennis elbow was steadily worsening for this guy, I suggested trying a full bed of multifiber to perhaps get him a little relief - I also string at home for the kids as well as a healthy circle of local players. It only took about two weeks of playing with the multi to see a substantial turnaround for this guy. Tensioned in the high 50's, he was only getting about 4-6 days of service life with a 16 ga. multi, but we found some sets of 15L on sale (probably Prince Premier Control) that gave him an extra week or so before breaking down. Despite going to a heavier gauge of multi, his elbow continued to improve through the remainder of that season.

So that's my golfer's elbow story. I've never had that specific issue myself, but I can definitely recommend the switch to a softer string over dropping tension if you're currently using a string type that's on the firm side. That means if you have any poly in your racquet, dump it.

Synthetic gut can be moderately soft - I pretty much use it myself all the time. The softest syn. gut I know of is Forten Sweet, which I think can work fine as an affordable alternative to rather expensive premium multis like X-1 Biphase or NXT. I usually only re-string racquets with multi when I'm replacing that same string type in somebody's frame. Multi is typically quite soft, but it also seems to steadily soften and degrade whenever I try it in my own racquets compared with the performance, service life, and comfort I get with syn. gut.

While multi is pretty good for protecting a player's arm, I think that natural gut is unbeatable if you need arm-friendliness. Its cost is higher than other string types, but it retains its resilience and "playability" right up until it snaps. I haven't used it myself, but some of our pals here claim that this enduring resilience found with natural gut make it a superior value over multi.
 

GeoffHYL

Professional
I had a combo of TE/GE earlier this year, mostly TE, but significant GE at times. The strings that I played with during this time were Babolat Spiraltek 17g and LaserFibre Laser 1200. The LaserFibre is the softer string, but much less durable. I also switched to an 18x20 pattern racquet. Not sure if that contributed to the improvement, but I was able to play through the TE/Ge for several months, playing about 6-10 hours a week, with improvement each time I played.

I really like Spiraltek. It plays soft, but is also durable. Have about twice as many hours on it as the LaserFibre, with almost no wear, while the LaserFibre is fraying all over the sweet spot and will likely break soon.
 

Frankc

Semi-Pro
Find the soft natural gut - gauge will not matter if it is soft. Hint, the new natural guts are far stiffer than past guts... Find some Pacific Prime, Tough Gut or earlier non Bt7 VS or maybe string the "new and improved" guts way down... But that depends on your frame and string pattern... Gut has changed significantly within the last decade or so. I know, I have strung vintage and "new" gut multiple times, same drop weight and the new stuff handles far different and strings up far, far differently.
The 'new " multis are getting stiffer, imo, also... I guess that it is called for with bigger frames and wider string patterns and extreme grips, maybe. But that does not help us out with GE or shoulder issues. The Prince Premier with durasoft and the LT series are very soft at low tensions as is Genesis Xplosion 17. They are nice, especially Xplosion.
Full bed soft gut here at mid-low tension in a flexy , 16X20 - my hand and rotator cuff issues cleared out of town years ago as soon as I put down the stiffies and embraced the flexy frame and a full bed... But that soft gut is a vanishing breed, for sure, I am afraid...
 

robin1982

Rookie
It depends on the area where you feel te pain. When I use a full bed of multifibre or natural gut some nerves and muscles like to explode in my arm. But when I use a multi in the mains and poly in the crosses, I feel nothing! I play with 13 kilo at the moment with teststrings from the stringproject and normally I play with Diadem Evolution 17 in the mains and Diadem Solstice Power 18 in the crosses in my PT57A's.
 
It depends on the area where you feel te pain. When I use a full bed of multifibre or natural gut some nerves and muscles like to explode in my arm. But when I use a multi in the mains and poly in the crosses, I feel nothing! I play with 13 kilo at the moment with teststrings from the stringproject and normally I play with Diadem Evolution 17 in the mains and Diadem Solstice Power 18 in the crosses in my PT57A's.
How is evolution/solstice power playing? Same tension mains and crosses?
 

robin1982

Rookie
How is evolution/solstice power playing? Same tension mains and crosses?
It plays great! I play that combo at 15 kilos, same tension for mains and crosses. I never play with different tension between mains and crosses. Ive got more feel and better contact feel with same tension.
Its only that im curious to the stringproject strings for their armfriendlyness that im trying an other setup now. All other strings gives my nothing but pain!
Im now stringing at 12 kilo with their "gold" multifibre in the mains and all their other strings in the crosses.
 
It plays great! I play that combo at 15 kilos, same tension for mains and crosses. I never play with different tension between mains and crosses. Ive got more feel and better contact feel with same tension.
Its only that im curious to the stringproject strings for their armfriendlyness that im trying an other setup now. All other strings gives my nothing but pain!
Im now stringing at 12 kilo with their "gold" multifibre in the mains and all their other strings in the crosses.
Armour soft is excellent...
 

robin1982

Rookie
That is ridiculous! Can you control the ball, especially after two or three weeks of hitting? I have tried 17kilos and the trampoline effect was inevitable...
Yes no problem at al. I play with that amount of kilo's since my injury 19 years ago. I don't need control out of kilo's, im fortunately gifted with control in my hands. Im a high level coach so i play/ teach around 35 hours a week and restring around 3/4 weeks. You have to use the trampoline effect, costs no power. Plays easy and im a hardhitter as wel but with good tecnique I dont hit many balls to long. Just go to the ball and use your bodyweight into the ball. If i stand still and straight and hit the ball hard, it will go out.
 

Toronto11

New User
Be honest, is this off of shank hits?
I’m probably wasn’t hitting every ball clean in the middle but I wouldn’t call it a shank. I got a Head Gravity last night and it felt much better than the RF97 which I used to use. Hopefully the new racquet along with the string suggestions above fix the problem.
 
I wouldn't let a poly even rest against my racket if I had elbow problems, much let string it even in the crosses. Natural gut and multi's are the easiest on the arm. I have a very sensitive elbow. I've tried poly down to 30#. It wasn't bad, but still affected my arm more than natural gut. I normally us Klip Legend 15L. I even tried Pacific X Force 18g in the crosses with natural gut mains. Still hurt, had to cut it out. As far a golfer's elbow, its usually caused by forehands and serving. Tennis elbow is more associated with backhands (especially 1-handed backhands).
 

2nd Serve Ace

Hall of Fame
I’m probably wasn’t hitting every ball clean in the middle but I wouldn’t call it a shank. I got a Head Gravity last night and it felt much better than the RF97 which I used to use. Hopefully the new racquet along with the string suggestions above fix the problem.
The reason I say this is that very end of (bat, club, racket) hits tend to be what aggravate that inner elbow area for me across several sports.

Actually adopted a system of stringing the top 4 crosses a few lbs lower about a year ago and that has helped tremendously.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
The reason I say this is that very end of (bat, club, racket) hits tend to be what aggravate that inner elbow area for me across several sports.

Actually adopted a system of stringing the top 4 crosses a few lbs lower about a year ago and that has helped tremendously.
that's sounds like a variation of the "sergetti", method!!
good idea!!, should def. help with tennis elbow

so,, do you lower??!!:
-1st top cross 4lbs
-2nd top cross 3lbs
-3rd top cross 2lbs
-4th top cross 1lbs
rest of the crosses at normal tension!
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
………. As far a golfer's elbow, its usually caused by forehands and serving. Tennis elbow is more associated with backhands (especially 1-handed backhands).
i agree here
I feel that GE is overuse/over-strain of the muscles/tendons; imo letting the racquet get out of control too much and torqueing too much on the muscles
TE on the other hand IMO/IME is timing, bad technique! (that's why you see it more on the lower levels players)
 

n8dawg6

Legend
full bed of NXT, NRG2, velocity, hdmx does wonders for golfer’s elbow. takes an adjustment to get used to the additional springiness and it generally requires a higher tension. feels great, the tradeoff is reduced spin.

always interesting to me how a full bed of multi holds tension so much better than poly. then it snaps
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
….. takes an adjustment to get used to the additional springiness and it generally requires a higher tension. feels great, the tradeoff is reduced spin.
I do agree
the feel is great and adjustment time is needed
the "spray factor", is much larger on a multi then a synthetic, poly strings
I have recently been going back to multis in 18/20 racquets and synthetics in 16/19 racquets for comfort!!
 

Injured Again

Hall of Fame
The reason I say this is that very end of (bat, club, racket) hits tend to be what aggravate that inner elbow area for me across several sports.

Actually adopted a system of stringing the top 4 crosses a few lbs lower about a year ago and that has helped tremendously.
I do the same, because I find it allows balls hit high on the stringbed to have a better chance of getting back over the net. The lower impact harshness is a side benefit.

My cross tensions from top to bottom, assuming I want the middle crosses at 46 pounds and strung one piece, would be:

32 (loses tension due to knot), 32, 35, 38, 41, 43, 45, 46, 46, 46, 46, 46, 45, 43, 41, 39, 37, 35, 33

I do something of the same with the mains as well. This works great for me, expands the sweetspot, and makes the whole stringbed more forgiving.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
I found adding a bit more weight to my racquet helped when switching to full bed multis wasn't fixing my GE. That and playing a bit less to give some recovery time. No more back to back tennis days. Now i can feel the tendons recovering.
 

Toronto11

New User
I am now hitting with Babolat NG at 50 pounds (head gravity) and its defin improved but still not perfect. Should I drop the top 4 crosses 3-4 lbs?
 

Kevo

Legend
I am now hitting with Babolat NG at 50 pounds (head gravity) and its defin improved but still not perfect. Should I drop the top 4 crosses 3-4 lbs?
You may have some technique issues you need to sort out. Hitting near the frame is never going to be that comfortable unless you are playing a really heavy frame. That has some big potential downsides as well though.

Having said that, there's no real harm in stringing your tension even lower other than you may start having control issues. Best case would be to make contact center or slightly lower on the string bed. That will be where you get the least shock from impact. If you just can't get away from those top crosses then yeah, go ahead and string them lower and see how it goes.
 

megamind

Hall of Fame
I am now hitting with Babolat NG at 50 pounds (head gravity) and its defin improved but still not perfect. Should I drop the top 4 crosses 3-4 lbs?
i've been having arm issues as well, how are you feeling now?

I been using multi, but still feel some pain, so I'm wondering if I need to spend some more money to get natural gut until I'm fully healed
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
I found adding a bit more weight to my racquet helped when switching to full bed multis wasn't fixing my GE. That and playing a bit less to give some recovery time. No more back to back tennis days. Now i can feel the tendons recovering.
agree
I helped a couple people with TE by adding lead over the years, not a lot, just enough tpo change the balance
trick is to know the balance you have now and reduce it by making it more head.light,, this will reduce the pressure to your arm while in play
there are considerations to this, player needs to have a proper swing and not be swing.mechanics related!!,
know your swing weight and apply it to all the racquets you play with,, your arm/tendons/muscles will appreciate it..
over the years, the grip size is also important, 2 or 3 smaller sizes will also hurt your arm, because you have to hold the racquet tighter than your used to
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
full bed of NXT, NRG2, velocity, hdmx does wonders for golfer’s elbow. takes an adjustment to get used to the additional springiness and it generally requires a higher tension. feels great, the tradeoff is reduced spin.

always interesting to me how a full bed of multi holds tension so much better than poly. then it snaps
my two cents on that is that the multi has high friction so tension loss is minimized because it cant slide. Poly slides the best so lost tension is lost.
 

Toronto11

New User
i've been having arm issues as well, how are you feeling now?

I been using multi, but still feel some pain, so I'm wondering if I need to spend some more money to get natural gut until I'm fully healed
its still lingering but better than it was. On top of the racquet change and NG string I’ve also been doing some strengthening exercises.
 
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