Best way to dampen a racquet response with customization?

Another really cool idea, I like that this could be as easy as silicone but potentially reversible ?
I think it certainly could be reversible. though you would have to strip the racquet and put it on low temps in the oven for it to melt. The racquet should be fine I would think if you took off the grip and buttcap and grommets. It melts pretty low temp IIRC. I used that gel to make some speaker wires and poured the gel into pvc tubes. Its def more workable than silicone and well its probably much harder to reverse silicone. Also you could probably skip the oven and use a hair dryer to reverse. They probably make non scented gel.
 
I think it certainly could be reversible. though you would have to strip the racquet and put it on low temps in the oven for it to melt. The racquet should be fine I would think if you took off the grip and buttcap and grommets. It melts pretty low temp IIRC. I used that gel to make some speaker wires and poured the gel into pvc tubes. Its def more workable than silicone and well its probably much harder to reverse silicone. Also you could probably skip the oven and use a hair dryer to reverse. They probably make non scented gel.
The workability is another interesting notion. I feel that there's not much room for error when applying silicone

Luckily I picked all these up for spare change, so Im actually pretty giddy about experimenting and potentially failing lol
 
Almost everyone I know personally who had issues with the PD or Babs in general stopped using them when they started to feel joint discomfort. I think as long as you're careful and aware, it's fine. If @gino starts to feel pain anywhere, I'm sure he's wise enough to stop hitting with the PD. I think it's a cool experiment to try to mute the frame vibrations via customization.

& what better frame to test these concepts on? We all know they are stiff, so let's try and see what we can do to make them play more friendly for the joints. As @BallsOfFire mentioned, given all these frames are at least 15 years old, the RA ratings should have come down. Hard to tell without a machine to measure, but still, we have to assume they are much softer than a pure drive stock/new
 
The workability is another interesting notion. I feel that there's not much room for error when applying silicone

Luckily I picked all these up for spare change, so Im actually pretty giddy about experimenting and potentially failing lol
I tried silicone several times and it was a pain, and I never got it right. Concluded it was better to just put the weight in the grip itself or lead along the handle underneath the over grip. Shocktape grip is like 80G.
 
No medical expert here but I’ve also had shoulder surgery (non dominant arm), and my strong one is suspect, but we are going with it. I wouldn’t attribute the tears and surgical needs to a pure drive. It’s that repeated overhead motion we do for serving that will wear down your shoulder. Just like pitching a baseball, it’s harsh and overuse, some people run into issues longer term. I think the main issues you’d see with a stiff frame would be tennis elbow or arm tenderness. But there are also a lot of people out there that don’t know poly should get cut out every 8-15 hours. Some played D3 and D2 tennis.
Couldn’t agree more with this post
 
I can infer you are connected to the game at the rec level, but the rec level is just that. A lot of people who dont warm up dynamically, cool down stretching, or do any consistent treatment post-playing. I think attributing injury 100% to gear is misguided and a shallow attempt at understanding what moreso contributes to injury

You have to realize youre the one who came in hot to this thread. The warning you are issuing will fall on deaf ears because I dont think a .5 hour hit will destroy my shoulder, wrist or elbow. It's quite rare for a stiff setup to yield acute injury. I could see that happening if someone took out a big bubba after two decades of using the PS85. Swinging a few pure drives for a half hour? FFS man, come on. The injuries you are referring to are a result of years of using stiff frames/strings and not enough muscle mass to alleviate the pressure on the ligaments/joints. Im bummed you had to go through a shoulder op. Would never want that for anyone, but directly correlating frame choice and risk for major shoulder surgery isn't logical

The irony in you targeting me for this little life lesson is that I am the last person who needs info/warnings/advice regarding arm injury. When I was a junior I was traveling playing national tournaments, I took a string deal with Solinco. I was testing a bunch of polys - but in a low stiffness prestige. Im sure those polys torched my elbow, but also I had technical elements of my 1HBH follow through enhancing the issue. I also wasnt doing enough strength training in that region. There are so many more contributing factors then just gear. That being said, I was using a 62RA HEAD Microgel/Youtek Prestige MP. I came from using the Wilson 6.1 95 for about a decade with stiff string like Luxilon. The Solinco deal saved my family money on strings so I just took the plunge. Little did I know, a soft RA racket wasnt going to save me. The string was the main gear-related culprit of my issues. Once I got to college tennis, the golfer's elbow so bad I had to consider all options. I came back to the forum chasing a gear solution. I landed on using the HEAD Youtek IG Speed because of it's 58-59 RA flex ratings. I dove into the TW string database and used the lowest stiffness poly strings possible (switched from Solinco Outlast - 208 stiffness lb/in to Ashaway ZX - 106 stiffness lb/in). These gear changes coupled with new therapy/training routines saved my elbow. I have since been very wary about string choice and consider that to be a more important cotributing factor then frame stiffness. Since then, I've used the RF97 (competitively at the ncaa level), Pure Strike Tour, and now back to the Pro Staff 97/RF97 as my main frames. I own dozens of frames I mix in all the time with high stiffness ratings and thick beams - but you know what keeps my arm health in order? The string choice mate. & the fact I've been years building up my strength around my elbow to alleviate the pressure on the joint itself. You can't just make blanket statements that every person who's used a babolat had serious injury. That's flat out untrue. I will concede the strikes are much better for arm health then a pure drive or pure aero, but let's be fair, there are way more contributing factors to extremity injury in tennis than the choice of racket. Let's swing a few pure drives and worry about grander issues in life
Everyone out there, except gino, pa and pd are very stiff, and everyone I know who uses pd and pa has arm issues. Even the ones with 6'2, 215 lb frames who go to the gym 3 hrs every single day. The pd and pa will get you (except gino).
 
Everyone out there, except gino, pa and pd are very stiff, and everyone I know who uses pd and pa has arm issues. Even the ones with 6'2, 215 lb frames who go to the gym 3 hrs every single day. The pd and pa will get you (except gino).
Wild man, it’s almost like you can’t read
 
IIRC the silver ones had the dense pattern. The gold ones were pretty open. Not too sure about the black ones. So many diff models. Was talking about the gold ones. But yeah zero feel to be sure. Its why I dig it. FWIW I hopefully will get to my storage locker and resurrect a couple for kicks...
In the back far reaches of my closet, I do remember now that there lives a Wilson Profile 2.7, size 120, with 20×20 strings.
Maybe what I should do, is put in solid metal strings, electrify them with batteries, and use it as a "Dual Taper Bug Zapper!!"
On the inner part of the throat is Wilson's advertisement of "Matched Flex Time." That can go down in the historical joke book
alongside Volkl's advertisement of "Optispot" on my SuperG 8❗
------ So Be It ⚜ ------
 
In the back far reaches of my closet, I do remember now that there lives a Wilson Profile 2.7, size 120, with 20×20 strings.
Maybe what I should do, is put in solid metal strings, electrify them with batteries, and use it as a "Dual Taper Bug Zapper!!"
On the inner part of the throat is Wilson's advertisement of "Matched Flex Time." That can go down in the historical joke book
alongside Volkl's advertisement of "Optispot" on my SuperG 8❗
------ So Be It ⚜ ------
Now this is a good idea, and a good use of these types of rackets.
 
In the back far reaches of my closet, I do remember now that there lives a Wilson Profile 2.7, size 120, with 20×20 strings.
Maybe what I should do, is put in solid metal strings, electrify them with batteries, and use it as a "Dual Taper Bug Zapper!!"
On the inner part of the throat is Wilson's advertisement of "Matched Flex Time." That can go down in the historical joke book
alongside Volkl's advertisement of "Optispot" on my SuperG 8❗
------ So Be It ⚜ ------
WOW didn't know they made a 120. OMG that is something worth getting imho. FWIW I think I still have some of the string I made that has metal in it. It was a kevlar/steel multi. Ironically it was too lively for me...

Totally agree. I had a Volkl SuperG 8 I think and YES omg Optispot is so dumb!
 
WOW didn't know they made a 120. OMG that is something worth getting imho. FWIW I think I still have some of the string I made that has metal in it. It was a kevlar/steel multi. Ironically it was too lively for me...

Totally agree. I had a Volkl SuperG 8 I think and YES omg Optispot is so dumb!
Your metal sting was "A little too lively"? Uhhh,...As in electrically lively
when you played during a raging lightning storm, I assume. Glad you're still here!!
Let us know, if you try it during the Helene storm this week.
 
Your metal sting was "A little too lively"? Uhhh,...As in electrically lively
when you played during a raging lightning storm, I assume. Glad you're still here!!
Let us know, if you try it during the Helene storm this week.
Looks like it will be east of me. I wish it would just stop and disperse. Maybe I should go after it with my profile.

Here is the pict of the string where the coating got shredded. You can see the metal if you look closely:

 
I can infer you are connected to the game at the rec level, but the rec level is just that. A lot of people who dont warm up dynamically, cool down stretching, or do any consistent treatment post-playing. I think attributing injury 100% to gear is misguided and a shallow attempt at understanding what moreso contributes to injury

You have to realize youre the one who came in hot to this thread. The warning you are issuing will fall on deaf ears because I dont think a .5 hour hit will destroy my shoulder, wrist or elbow. It's quite rare for a stiff setup to yield acute injury. I could see that happening if someone took out a big bubba after two decades of using the PS85. Swinging a few pure drives for a half hour? FFS man, come on. The injuries you are referring to are a result of years of using stiff frames/strings and not enough muscle mass to alleviate the pressure on the ligaments/joints. Im bummed you had to go through a shoulder op. Would never want that for anyone, but directly correlating frame choice and risk for major shoulder surgery isn't logical

The irony in you targeting me for this little life lesson is that I am the last person who needs info/warnings/advice regarding arm injury. When I was a junior I was traveling playing national tournaments, I took a string deal with Solinco. I was testing a bunch of polys - but in a low stiffness prestige. Im sure those polys torched my elbow, but also I had technical elements of my 1HBH follow through enhancing the issue. I also wasnt doing enough strength training in that region. There are so many more contributing factors then just gear. That being said, I was using a 62RA HEAD Microgel/Youtek Prestige MP. I came from using the Wilson 6.1 95 for about a decade with stiff string like Luxilon. The Solinco deal saved my family money on strings so I just took the plunge. Little did I know, a soft RA racket wasnt going to save me. The string was the main gear-related culprit of my issues. Once I got to college tennis, the golfer's elbow so bad I had to consider all options. I came back to the forum chasing a gear solution. I landed on using the HEAD Youtek IG Speed because of it's 58-59 RA flex ratings. I dove into the TW string database and used the lowest stiffness poly strings possible (switched from Solinco Outlast - 208 stiffness lb/in to Ashaway ZX - 106 stiffness lb/in). These gear changes coupled with new therapy/training routines saved my elbow. I have since been very wary about string choice and consider that to be a more important cotributing factor then frame stiffness. Since then, I've used the RF97 (competitively at the ncaa level), Pure Strike Tour, and now back to the Pro Staff 97/RF97 as my main frames. I own dozens of frames I mix in all the time with high stiffness ratings and thick beams - but you know what keeps my arm health in order? The string choice mate. & the fact I've been years building up my strength around my elbow to alleviate the pressure on the joint itself. You can't just make blanket statements that every person who's used a babolat had serious injury. That's flat out untrue. I will concede the strikes are much better for arm health then a pure drive or pure aero, but let's be fair, there are way more contributing factors to extremity injury in tennis than the choice of racket. Let's swing a few pure drives and worry about grander issues in life
Great response here, too bad it falls on deaf ears.
 
Looks like it will be east of me. I wish it would just stop and disperse. Maybe I should go after it with my profile.

Here is the pict of the string where the coating got shredded. You can see the metal if you look closely:

After showing this picture to a reliable source, we want to know if you were making strings from your supply
of pure gold, and coating it dark, so the U.S. immigration wouldn't know that you were traveling with a fortune.
I've heard that back in the 50s, there was a TV show named "Only The Shroud Know"....or was it the Shadow?
------ So Be It ⚜ ------ 4:00AM here.
 
Cheers , thanks for the input. Do you use any specific material in the handle ?

I like synthetic grips like Babolat’s Syntec Pro, comfortable while maintaining good feel.

I usually wrap lead tape around the handle where the buttcap is if I want to tail weight. Also it creates a flare that I like. However I personally don’t like it if there is too much weight in the handle as it could take away too much power forcing me to overswing that could cause me arm issues.
 
Flax, Silikone and Copper are a materials known for their excellent vibration damping properties.
So you could stuff up the handle som flax... and then pour in some silikone (stopped by the flax) and put some copper threads in it before it hardens.
 
You can’t without taking the frame apart. The modules are built into the frame. They added module to handle to handle vibrations that make it to the handle.
 
Seems like a lot of extra work to use 3 materials when foam or sponge will work. Silicone adds mass so should be use if balance is also adjusted. Foam and sponge, not so much.
 
Flax, Silikone and Copper are a materials known for their excellent vibration damping properties.
So you could stuff up the handle som flax... and then pour in some silikone (stopped by the flax) and put some copper threads in it before it hardens.
Let me get this straight before everyone on TT tries it......You say to pour flaxseeds into the handle.Then instead of silicone,
should we also top it off with soy milk, so that we will have an after the match snack? I'm used to chicken curry, but I can change.
 
Why not bbs. Like the ones used in bb guns?
"Very interesting," said the unknown man in the dark shadow of the stadium's lower hallway.
"And would you also put in some gunpowder, just in case some thugs try to steal your trophy?"
Only the Shroud would know.....:cool:
 
"Very interesting," said the unknown man in the dark shadow of the stadium's lower hallway.
"And would you also put in some gunpowder, just in case some thugs try to steal your trophy?"
Only the Shroud would know.....:cool:
I once hit a “helicopter bh so hard that it lifted me off the court”. There is a vid on youtube with me flying away. No combustion needed
 
Wild man, it’s almost like you can’t read
Time to repost my old Babolat rant which I do yearly.

It is a myth perpetuated on this forum that all Babolat racquets are bad. I went through 3 major racquet demo trial sessions in the last twenty years trying 12 oz racquets from all different brands - picked the Pure Control (2000), AeroStorm Tour GT (2011), Pure Strike Tour (2014). In the first two trials of 10-15 racquets, I was truly brand-agnostic and picked the racquet that felt best to me. By 2014, I was brand-loyal and more prone to picking Babolat if it suited my needs. When I bought Babolat in 2000, the brand was unknown for racquets in California and I was one of the first adopters.

Since Babolat makes two highly popular tweeners (Drive, Aero) with high stiffness, people just associate their brand with those racquets. In reality, they have always made heavy, thin beam, flexible/medium stiff players racquets also like the Pure Control, AeroPro Control, Pure Storm Tour, Aero Storm Tour, Pure Strike Tour etc. Every brand makes light/thickbeam/stiff brands for beginners along with heavy/flexible racquets, but only Babolat is treated on this forum as if they make only thickbeam/stiff racquets. There are so many Babolat-endorsed pro players, college players and junior players playing tennis at an advanced level invariably with poly. If one of them gets injured, there is always hype on this forum about Babolat being responsible. Meanwhile, guys like Tsitsipas, Djokovic, Del Porto get wrist/arm injuries and no one blames their racquet brand. According to this link, “Venus Williams, Bjorn Borg, Aleksandra Wozniak, Andy Murray and Juan Martin Del Potro have all suffered from tennis elbow”.


The reason Babolat is so popular and in 25 years has become one of the top two or three best selling racquet companies (they made only gut strings before that for tennis) is because their racquets always have a bigger sweet spot and more comfort for a particular stiffness than comparable brands. Other racquets with stiffness RA at 70-72 like the Pure Drive/Pure Aero are almost unplayable from a comfort standpoint and that’s why Babolat has dominated that niche. I wouldn’t play with those racquets as they are too powerful, but I find the same big sweet spot with their 12 oz, more flexible players racquets also throughout the last two decades. I have played with their 12 oz racquets with stiffness in 65-68 RA range while other heavy racquets with stiffness in that range feel more uncomfortable for me - with other brands, I have to go down to low-sixties RA for comparable comfort and then I miss the Babolat power on serves.

I have had tennis elbow pain twice and never with any Babolat - once in the late Nineties with a Head Ti S2 and the other when I fooled around with a Volkl VSense 10 (325) 4 years ago both strung with gut in the high-fifties. I don’t go around trashing those brands because I know that they make many other solid racquets also. The S2 was wrong for my game and I made the wrong choice after a break from tennis for a decade - that’s when I started learning about racquets and joined this forum for the first time in 1999. I still don’t know why the Volk was bad for me as the specs fit my sweet spot - it also injured my friend who tried it a couple of times and so, I sold it quickly. Check the vibration frequency of racquets before you buy them as it correlates to comfort quite well - don’t believe other misinformation on this forum about brands as there is a herd mentality in general. So many hard rules and urban myths on here - ‘Good players don’t play with lighter racquets’, ‘Poly will cause injury always for older players’, ‘Babolat is bad’, ‘Don’t hybrid with shaped polys as it is like a knife cutting through butter’, ‘If you get tennis elbow, you have lousy technique’, ‘If you don’t break poly within 10 hours, you are no good’, blah, blah, blah!

Most players get tennis elbow issues because they string poly over 50 lbs and then play with it till they break it. The problem is that most polys go dead within 10-15 hours and transmit a lot of vibrations to the arm whatever racquet you play with (stiffer is worse of course) - so, if you don‘t break it close to that time frame, you will get injured. That’s why beginners and intermediates get injured by poly more than very advanced players who might even play at higher tensions - the advanced guys break the poly before it goes dead and becomes a health hazard.

My joke is that on this forum when people get tennis elbow issues from playing with dead poly, they react in two different ways.

- If their racquet is a Babolat, they blame the racquet and come and post here that Babolat makes junk.
- If they play with Head, Wilson, Volkl or Yonex, they blame the strings and go buy another racquet from the same brand.

In real life at my club, people get injured with all kinds of racquets and in 90% of the cases, they played with dead poly for too long. Lastly, you choose a racquet, string and tension combination that works for your game and you can always mix and match stiff racquets, soft racquets, stiff strings, soft strings, hybrids, high tensions, low tensions etc. till you find something that works great. I am not particularly hung up anymore on conducting major racquet trials and string experiments like I used to do when I was younger. When you play 500-700 hours a year like I do, I don’t need to listen to other subjective opinions and I can mix and match till I find what I like - just want to have fun, hopefully win a lot and play daily without injuries.
 
I think that I'm guilty of not doing enough testing or study of the different racquets. There's so many to choose from.
For years I have used a Wilson Hyper Pro Staff 5.0, and at 12oz. strung, it has a perfect balance, SW, feel, and precision.
It's a great control racquet, but I started to listen to advertisements of more free power from other companies.

Then I drifted through the fog of light Babolats (PD107 & PD) and a SG8 Volkl, without finding the same good feeling.
In hindsight, among the Babolats, I wish that I would have tried the Pure Stike. Maybe someday.
 
Let me get this straight before everyone on TT tries it......You say to pour flaxseeds into the handle.Then instead of silicone,
should we also top it off with soy milk, so that we will have an after the match snack? I'm used to chicken curry, but I can change.
Flax fibers. its used for garments and stuff.....Not the seeds.
 
- Lead at 3 & 9 will make almost anything more comfortable

- using an O or doughnut shaped shockie makes a world of difference for me

- use two overgrips

- hybrid with gut or multi (with poly on mains) helps soften up overly stiff frames

I’ve used silicone in the past, but now I just add lead under the base grip
 
- Lead at 3 & 9 will make almost anything more comfortable

- using an O or doughnut shaped shockie makes a world of difference for me

- use two overgrips

- hybrid with gut or multi (with poly on mains) helps soften up overly stiff frames

I’ve used silicone in the past, but now I just add lead under the base grip

two overgrips has long been fascinating to me. Djokovic the only notable person I can think of that does that. Have to wonder what benefit he perceives from it. He already uses a relatively flexy/comfortable set up with the PT346. Hope one day he gets asked that question & explains at length
 
That being said, trying to look outside of simply adding weight or slapping on a leather grip. Moreso searching for some material or grip that can mute harsh vibration
Wrap racket head protection tape (or hockey tape) from the throat to throat over the complete perimeter of the head. Tie a #64 rubber band around the center 2 mains below the bottom cross.
 
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