Better Clay courter: Federer or Djokovic

[Deleted member 743561]

Tough call. Leaning RF here.

 

[Sport]

Tough call. Leaning RF here.

Why are you refloating all this threads like an obsessed? There was already a thread about this today.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

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[Djokovic2011]

Why are you refloating all this threads like an obsessed? There was already a thread about this today.

Maybe because the guy's a total pr1ck? Just a thought.

 

[Glimmerman]

Joke thread. Djokovic miles better on clay than federer. Only player who could push Nadal to the limit. No brainer Djokovic every time

 

[ImmorTAL Big 3]

After RG 2020 update 1.GS titles 1-1 2.GS Finals 5-5 3.GS record 74-15 -70-17 4.GS H2H 1-1 5.Masters 10-6 6.Masters Final 17-16 7.Masters H2H 3-3 8.Titles overall 15-11 9.H2H vs Nadal 7-18 2-14 10.Win/Loss 225-56 /80.07/ - 223 -70 /76.10/

 

[Centrius]

Djokovic easily, for starters Nole has 2 more semifinals at the FO.

 

[ewiewp]

Federer:
2009 French Open champion
Four runner-up trophies at Roland Garros
10 career clay-court titles (appearing in 33 finals)
Six Masters 1000 titles (Hamburg 2002, 04-05, 07; Madrid 2009, 12)
76.6 winning percentage on clay, and 80 percent at Roland Garros

Taken from:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2016578-breaking-down-roger-federers-clay-court-legacy

Djokovic:
has won nine of his 44 career titles on clay.
Five Masters 1000 titles (Rome 08, 11, 14, Monte Carlo 2013, Madrid 11)
One runner-up trophy at Roland Garros
77.4 winning percentage on clay, and 80 percent at Roland Garros
Does better against Nadal? (Didn't know if this is relevant. If it isn't just ignore it)

To start the discussion I've thought of three questions for you to answer:

• Who do you think is the better clay courter in terms of results at the moment?
• Will that change if Djokovic wins RG this year?
• Who do you think has the highest peak on the surface?

PS. I had quite some difficulty finding Djokovic stats, please correct me if I've made a mistake.

Enjoy

Federer seems to know clay more and thus more comfortable on clay, than Novak is.
It's just general athletic ability of Novak is better and thus he battle Rafa better.

 

[mike danny]

It's probably Djokovic with his 2 additional semis now.

 

[lucky13]

It's probably Djokovic with his 2 additional semis now.

+ 4 extra masters
+ all clay masters (fed misses 2 out of 3)
+ better W% (80% vs 76%)
+ better h2h against rafa on clay (7W - 28% vs 2W - 12,5%)

 

[Djokovic2011]

It's probably Djokovic with his 2 additional semis now.

You suddenly forgot about Djokovic's 4 extra Masters titles mike?

 

[mike danny]

You suddenly forgot about Djokovic's 4 extra Masters titles mike?

I did say Djokovic was better on clay than Fed 4 years ago, just not at RG.

I just changed my mind about RG.

 

[Djokovic2011]

I did say Djokovic was better on clay than Fed 4 years ago, just not at RG.

I just changed my mind about RG.

It took Djokovic reaching another RG final for you to consider him better than Federer there?

 

[mike danny]

It took Djokovic reaching another RG final for you to consider him better than Federer there?

Honestly, yeah. From that point on it just became a number's game of who has more semis.

Still, I feel like Fed also got unlucky in 2015 and 2019 with his draws, otherwise I see him reaching both finals.

 

[Incognito]

Federer no doubt. IMO he has the 2nd highest level on clay in history. He would never lose to someone like Thiem or Wawrinka at the peak of his powers.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Honestly, yeah. From that point on it just became a number's game of who has more semis.

Still, I feel like Fed also got unlucky in 2015 and 2019 with his draws, otherwise I see him reaching both finals.

Djokovic lost three semifinals to Nadal.

 

[mike danny]

Djokovic lost three semifinals to Nadal.

I know. I was just saying that in their 30's Djokovic got some easier roads than Fed, who in 2015 got Stanimal in the QF (which prevented him from reaching the semis, unlike Djoko in 2019) and got Rafa in the semis in 2019 (which prevented him from reaching the final unlike Djokovic in 2020).

 

[zagor]

Novak is better CC player overall but at the FO specifically I'd pick Fed, he played at a higher level in his runs there IMO.

Novak has consistently underperformed at the FO throughout his career, similarly to USO. He's very consistent at both tournies but his level of play in big matches there is often lacking.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Novak is better CC player overall but at the FO specifically I'd pick Fed, he played at a higher level in his runs there IMO.

Novak has consistently underperformed at the FO throughout his career, similarly to USO. He's very consistent at both tournies but his level of play in big matches there is often lacking.

Maybe Fed played at a higher level there but Djokovic's resume is undoubtedly better. Same amount of finals plus two more semifinals, two more quarterfinals, more match wins and a much better W/L %.

 

[NoleFam]

There seriously is no argument for Federer now, and imo there hasn't been since 2016.

 

[zagor]

Maybe Fed played at a higher level there but Djokovic's resume is undoubtedly better. Same amount of finals plus two more semifinals, two more quarterfinals, more match wins and a much better W/L %.

I said better, not greater. Greater is stats, numbers, longevity, consistency etc. better is more subjective.

To give another example, Fed is greater than Sampras at Wimbledon. Better however? Debatable.

 

[Cortana]

Federer easily.

Beat peak-Djokovic in 4 sets in 2011. The year of the highest tennis level in the history of tennis.

 

[mike danny]

There seriously is no argument for Federer now, and imo there hasn't been since 2016.

Fed still had an argument at RG though. Not anymore after 2020.

But Fed did get unlucky with the draws in 2015 and 2019 which prevented him from reaching another final.