messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
I Think nadal djokovic and federer all have arguments to be greatest. Would be good to get Nadal back fit and a contender next season.
Better than Nadal at 3 out 4 slams
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So many different arguments here and most are actually true.
Yes, as of now, I believe Novak Djokovic is the tennis GOAT after reaching 24 Slams. He’s now sitting at 14 HC Slams, which matches Rafa’s 14 CC Slams (despite obviously the fact that there are double the HC Slams per year), and that’s some achievement.
Yes, it doesn’t change de fact that, lately, he’s been having cakewalks to Slams titles and that’s fair to be acknowledged, but it also doesn’t change the fact that he has to be there to beat whoever is across the net and he’s been doing so convincingly, usually.
I also believe that, at 10 finals, despite the losing h2h, he’s likely ahead of Nadal is the US. Still, it is only fair to be noted that: 1- Yes, the winning h2h is very important, specially because those were 3 Fs. 2- Nadal lost some opportunities at USO at crucial moments due to injuries and that could’ve changed how things went.
I think people are getting overly disrespectful towards Nadal here.
Nadal’s has beaten world n2 Djokovic, world n1 Djokovic, (very well playing) world n5 Mad and the 2017 run was not remotely worse than this year’s.
Yes, as of now, I believe Novak Djokovic is the tennis GOAT after reaching 24 Slams. He’s now sitting at 14 HC Slams, which matches Rafa’s 14 CC Slams (despite obviously the fact that there are double the HC Slams per year), and that’s some achievement.
Yes, it doesn’t change de fact that, lately, he’s been having cakewalks to Slams titles and that’s fair to be acknowledged, but it also doesn’t change the fact that he has to be there to beat whoever is across the net and he’s been doing so convincingly, usually.
I also believe that, at 10 finals, despite the losing h2h, he’s likely ahead of Nadal is the US. Still, it is only fair to be noted that: 1- Yes, the winning h2h is very important, specially because those were 3 Fs. 2- Nadal lost some opportunities at USO at crucial moments due to injuries and that could’ve changed how things went.
I think people are getting overly disrespectful towards Nadal here.
Nadal’s has beaten world n2 Djokovic, world n1 Djokovic, (very well playing) world n5 Mad and the 2017 run was not remotely worse than this year’s.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
OKAY LEGION
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
2017 run had no top 10 wins. Nole beat fritz and world number 3 Medvedev. Nadal's 2019 can be compared to this. Barely.
Not 2017.
Underdog
Professional
I’m sure you know this is the fakest argument out there. SF+F Nadal had to beat Delpo, who’s an USO champion, was coming from beating Roger and would play the final the next year, and Anderson, who was peaking in his career, would become a two-time Slam finalist and beat Roger at W’18. Sure, Daniil is a tougher challenge, but that makes for the F alone. Fritz is nowhere near these guys and played like a complete utter bum.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Federer was injured. Delpo wasn't in good enough form in 2017.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
He is though. Same number of trophies and h2h tiebreaker.
TheNachoMan
Legend
Novak has more wins, more top 10 wins and a better win percentage. Plus he missed it last year when he would have been favorite to win.
Underdog
Professional
Delpo played well. He was just outplayed and outlasted by the better player. Comparison to Fritz in general is complete nonsense, much worse if comparison to the Fritz that showed up against Djokovic.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
That's a Nadal fans opinion. Same fritz has 2-2 H2H vs Nadal.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Yeah he has a lot and also won it on 2 different types of surfaces.
Nadal fans can parade around 2-1 bud open but everything else and against rest of field is in Djokovic favour now.
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
hE miSseD iT lAst yEar lol, and you're the first to say you don't care about Rafa's injuries. Why do you give slams to Djokovic when he didn't even participate?
TheNachoMan
Legend
Fine, even despite last years sham, he is still ahead of Nadal. More wins and top 10 wins, better win percentage. Nadal is only better at RG now.
BauerAlmeida
Legend
Djokovic withdrew in 2017, was DQed in 2020 and was denied the chance to play in 2022. Not that great either.
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
Fritz is so good that he lost to Nadal when he had an abdominal tear lol. Rafa couldn't even serve or hit a bh properly and still won. It was on grass too.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Uncalled for, but not wrong. 10 USO F's is too big of an edge on Novak's side.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa literally beat him without a serve lol
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Politics aren’t part of sport. He never should have been banned.
Whereas injuries are part of the sport. There is s massive difference here.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Because you Nadal fans don't know difference between forced withdrawal and injury withdrawal. Nolefams don't type like you said. Honestly you sound like early Facebook era user who thinks we nolefams don't know things. We know the history and we also know tennis.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Yeah I think Djokovic is ahead now. He’s got more finals, better consistency, more wins and went through tougher draws too.
Nadal has the H2H which is big plus but not enough to compensate everything else in Novak’s favour.
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
That's why every Djokovic fan says "starting with 2011" because you know history so well.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
We said it because you fedal fans used absolute numbers when Nole didn't have it. Nole has it now. We don't need any if.
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
Especially this year it was a very tough draw. Berrettini was in the semifinal when people were calling Nadal's win the Berrettini open, right? Djokovic just won the Shelton open.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Exactly. 6 matches vs Federer himself.
TheNachoMan
Legend
They don’t seem to really grasp this. Oh well.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Yeah nice try. Aren’t you forgetting all those years when Djokovic and Federer had to battle in us open semis and Nadal was lucky to be on the other side.
You talk about weak draws? Especially after the joke us open 2017 draw.
Even in us open 2013 Nadal got weak gasquet and Novak got peak Wawrinka in semi.
Then we had us open 2010 where Djokovic went 5 sets with prime Fed and Nadal had Youzhny lol
Nadal fans should be the last to talk about weak us open draws.
Underdog
Professional
Fritz has beaten broken-ribbed and abdominal-teared Nadal. Got beaten ny abdominal-teared groundgame goating Nadal. Be reasonable, mate. Fritz played this year’s QF like a Challenger player and you know it. If you read my text, you know I’m not taking things away from Djokovic, but don’t fool yourself or try to fool me on Fritz’ level.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Nadal fans talk about weak us open draws for Novak when it was Novak who had to deal with prime Federer in semis and Nadal avoided him each time lol
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Fritz had his own rib issues in IW and beat fit Nadal like a drum. Yes fritz played bad and the reason is Nole. We don't give anything away.
BauerAlmeida
Legend
What's their winning %?
And Top 5/ Top 10 wins? Anyone has those numbers (and for Federer as well)?.
And Top 5/ Top 10 wins? Anyone has those numbers (and for Federer as well)?.
GoatNo1
Legend
rafa playd 16 times and made 9 QFs (56%)
nole played 17 times and made 10 FS (59%)
rafa has a half as many finals as nole!
rafa has never met fed in USO.
rafa has met fed and nole 3 times in USO and 16 times in RG!
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Wow. Talk about dodging. It seems like Rafans were trolling all these years then. Exactly the point of my post.
The guy has 3 slam matches vs Nole and 0 vs fed and somehow we have to be ashamed because Nole had some issues in finals. We are not ashamed at all. It all adds to his greatness.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Just as a side note, it's a huge achievement for Rafa to win 4 usopens. No one can take them away from him.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Just too bad he didn't get a chance to defend in 2020 and 2014. He should be sitting on at least 6.
Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
Lol of course if you add 2003(17) and 2004 then they are close and Nadal still comes short despite older. The fact is Djokovic just missed 2022 last year or maybe one more but Nadal 5 times couldn't play the tournament. So he didn't have as many chances.
Federev
G.O.A.T.
Reading all this weird intense stuff you can see how people end up in violent brawls at stadiums and sports bars.
We project our identity onto our preferred player, then turn them into our god.
Then we seek to slay the unbelievers who have profaned the temple of our fan-idolatry.
Is super weird. The goat race has revealed our inner psychos.
We project our identity onto our preferred player, then turn them into our god.
Then we seek to slay the unbelievers who have profaned the temple of our fan-idolatry.
Is super weird. The goat race has revealed our inner psychos.
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
Interesting stat since Djoko fans like stats so much: Djokovic played 5 more slams than Rafa (72 Djokovic, 67 Nadal) despite Rafa being older.
Nadal15thslam
Hall of Fame
Also, slams like Wimbledon where Rafa retired just before the semi vs Nick were counted in this, at one point Nadal won more than a third of the gs he entered. (22 out of 64)
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Yes we know this stat. It also is adding to his greatness. Longetivity. If not for bans he would have 74 participations. Novak took extreme health care. And it's a good thing that he is so fit to be just a match away from CYGS again this year.
Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
It's not that interesting it should be well known to all fans. And Djokofans this is despite your guy missed couple slams last year so imagine how many Nadal missed. This also not includes mid tournament or mid match retirings...
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
We know it. We don't give any browny points for Nadal because he was injured more. It's part of professional tennis career. He had to keep himself fitter.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
If if if
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
If if if
I didn't say if. I said it was too bad.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Fair enough. My mistake
mike danny
Bionic Poster
He chose to sit 2020 out.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Just like Djokovic chose to sit AO 22 out lol
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