TheNachoMan
Legend
Not even remotely the same. lol
Better than Nadal at 3 out 4 slams
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Not the same. Nadal willingly chose to skip the USO to focus on RG.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Nadal fans seems to struggle to grasp that. Novak was fit and ready to play. Completely different to Nadal’s situations.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
I agree.
Holmes
Legend
Sampras would have 3 Aussies had he been able to play in '99. Kafelnikov (the champion) thanked him for not playing in his victory speech.Djokovic is finally ahead of Nadal at 3 out of 4 slams.
Roger Federer is ahead of Nadal at 3 out of 4 slams.
Pete Sampras is ahead of Nadal at 2 out of 4 slams.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Circumstances forced Nadal out of the tournament same as Djokovic
mike danny
Bionic Poster
No....Nadal could've played just like Djokovic did.
rUDin 21
Hall of Fame
Speaking of that, he still leads the series there
Lol. I see the mud fight is in full flow.
Keep rolling.
Underdog
Professional
Fritz, if I’m not mistaken, had twisted his ankle, but was moving fine in the match. Nadal, on the other hand, was not fit whatsoever. You’re being intentionally blind now.
So far this year, Novak has won 3 slams and 1 masters and reached 4 slam finals. The two smaller, 250 titles were played in order to give him the ability to get into shape for the big titles he has won this year.
counterpuncher64
New User
Serious question - why isn’t 2004-2008 considered “vulturing” but now it’s vulturing despite the guy being in his 30s? Idc either way, but think the moving goalposts to suit a narrative is ridiculous
Biotic
Legend
Slight correction:Djokovic is finally ahead of Nadal at 3 out of 4 slams.
Roger Federer is ahead of Nadal at 3 out of 4 slams.
Pete Sampras is ahead of Nadal at 2 out of 4 slams.
PETE is ahead of Nadal at 3 out of 4 slams.
Well informed people Naturally do not include the mega-vultured 2022 Asterisk open nor discuss it in a serious manner.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
He is supposed to abandon the slam finals because he couldn't get meet Carlos. That's the brain dead logic by some VB
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
I also don't include it. Then it's 3/4 for Roger Nole and Pete. A mazing.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
Actual Djokovic+Federer+Peter are ahead of Nadal at 3 out of 4 slams & the ATP Finals by a big margin.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Finally even "neutral" nolefams are holding the line.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Now hopefully Djokovic wins 5th USOpen. I would love it even more than winning 8th Wimbledon. We don't want to even share a bit with rafans now.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
These "slams" are basically 3 challengers given the level of competition. He had to beat the likes of Tsitsipas and Ruud.
Azure
G.O.A.T.
Did you birth Djokovic?
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probably its his last uso title but hope im wrong
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
I hope you are wrong.
mehdimike
Hall of Fame
And Novak could play like 99 percent of top100 players. Nobody forced him not to play at USO.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
But he did play at the 2020 USO so Nadal could have as well.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
He was not ready to play because he refused to meet the border requirements for entry into Australia.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
The whole thing was a farce and you know it deep down.
TheNachoMan
Legend
Regardless, he won the year before and the year after. So Nadal’s title is a bit shaky at best.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
He’s just happy his idol got to vulture it. That’s all. They will never admit the whole thing was a joke. I mean they scraped the whole vaccine mandate within a few months. That old government was a joke and got their Karma! Lol
Mustard
Bionic Poster
The farce was Djokovic wanting to have his cake and eat it. Get vaccinated and play, or don't get vaccinated and stay away. He wanted to be unvaccinated and play, and for the authorities to make an exception for him.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Not at all. Nadal's win was epic, and you have to be in the draw (and sanctioned to be in the country) to have any chance of winning it.
TheNachoMan
Legend
Djokovic was in the draw, before he was deported. You can deny it until the cows come home but he was the massive favorite,
Mustard
Bionic Poster
He wasn't sanctioned to be in the country. How can he win a tournament there in that situation?
LOL. Live in reality, guys.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
I do not accept it at all. The politicians won that day not Nadal. They got the BOOT soon.
Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
Why are you still salty about it? It's not Nadal's fault that he didn't played. Had any other player won people wouldn't mention it.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
TheNachoMan
Legend
I would have said the same if Medvedev won the final.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
He benefitted from politics. It just leaves a sour taste in the mouth. The whole tournament was a farce without their greatest champion wrongly deported from the country. Whoever had won it wouldn’t have felt right. It was even more of a joke as that government were kicked out not long afterwards and the new government got rid of the stupid vaccine rule. Politics shouldn’t interfere with sport ever.
Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
I actually meant people would stop mentioning it but they keep underastimating Rafa's achievement. Djokovic's participation is one thing. Downplaying Nadal's win is another thing which many fans does.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Same here. Whoever won it, it still would have felt wrong. The tournament was spoilt by political move to try gain votes to stay in power. Thankfully it backfired and they were booted.
Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
I already admit that It would have been so hard to imagine for Nadal to win against Djokovic in Australia at that stage of their career. But all you guys do is downplaying Nadal. There is also no guraantee that Djokovic reaches semis eventhough he would have been favourite.
While i do wanted Djokovic to play(Regardless of his sitution) at the time to see the best players compete. Don't want to get into it but atleast partly its Djokovic's fault.
joshuayuan
Professional
Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
In the end result is Djokovic didn't played also the only player from top 100... Now just do little emphaty.
By your logic Isn't Djokovic lucky that Nadal couldn't play RG? One is unable to play OTOH its partly Djokovic's decision that he couldn't play AO.
Of course its not Djokovic's fault that Nadal couldn't play. Same for AO since you guys downplaying the Nadal's win. Djokovic was not %100 right about the sitution.
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AgassiSuperSlam11
Hall of Fame
The OP was correct plus he is also better at Davis Cup, Olympics, Doubles, and has higher winning percentage against GS champions, Bo5 matches, Bo5 Finals winning pct, and players ranked #1 to #3. I also think he makes Tilden, Laver, and Pancho look like a joke in comparison.
Phenomenal
Hall of Fame
Whether you accept it or not reality is Nadal won with an epic fashion after almost not playing for 6 months.
Same for Djokovic's titles Of course Djokovic is better here at USO after yesterday statwise eventhough Nadal missed tons of USO(which i don't like when you guys ignore the point) but it is true now.
TheFifthSet
G.O.A.T.
This argument again lol
For the umpteenth time: Nadal was favoured in roughly 11 to 13 of those 18 matches.
The slam H2H played out as it should’ve. Nadal didn’t exceed expectations. He didn’t rise to the occasion any more than would’ve been expected or predicted. The pre-match favourite wins most matches as they rightly should, and Nadal was the pre-match favourite about 2/3rd’s of the time in slams.
If it was an even H2H, he would’ve massively underperformed.
As it stands, this particular H2H neither enhances nor deflates either of their legacies.
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InsideOut900
Legend
The only matches in their rivalry that were "blows" are USO 13, Wimbledon 18 and RG 21.
This aside, the player that was supposed to win on the day always won.
Considering Djokovic won 8 Slams since AO 20 and actually the only 3 times they met in majors this stretch were on clay at RG 20, 21, 22 should put more perspective how much of a joke their Slam h2h is. You can't improve your H2H when your opponent doesn't show up unless they are favoured by the circumstances.
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
It’s literally the only thing got left. They clinging on to 11-7, Olympic gold and clay dominance as it’s all they have.. Djokovic has basically passed Nadal in every other metric! Lol
Sport
G.O.A.T.
4 = 4.
Extra lost finals do not add to a resume, but rather substrat value, as they dismiss the clutch factor.
Winning percentage in USO finals:
Nadal: 80%
Djokovic: 40%
80% > 40%.
Nadal is clutcher in USO finals than Novak. In NBA debates, it's especially popular to compare LeBron James to Michael Jordan in GOAT conversations. In those conversations, no analyst praise LeBron for having more NBA finals than Jordan. Quite the reverse, LeBron is heavily criticized for being 4-6 in his 10 NBA finals (40% winning percentage), while Jordan is praise for his 6-6 (100%). LeBron has no "clutch gene", modern analyst say. The same applies to Novak in USO finals.
If we add the fact that Nadal leads the H2H over Novak 2-1, there's no objective reason to say Novak is better at the United States Open, just like I don't see anyone rating Connors over Federer or Sampras at the US Open. 4 = 4, just like 5 =5 = 5.
My reasoning is that the Nole fam is jealous of the Fed fanbase, because for years they have said (and rightly so) that Federer is ahead of Nadal at 3 out 4 Majors. Desperate to have all the stats for Novak, they run to the conclusion that Novak is ahead of Rafa at the USO and, incidentally, in 3 out of 4 Majors ("How dare Novak doesn't lead Rafa in a Slam on hard!"). Well, he doesn't. Unless he breaks the 4 = 4. A 5th title would be a tie-breaker. I think he can do it. Novak can even surpass the all-time USO record and win 6 titles. But, as of now, he isn't better/greater than Rafa there.
Now it's time of celebration for Novak fans. >50% of users here can likely be Novak fans. Meaning very few people (if anyone) will like my post, while any reply to my post will be liked by a lot of users.
Extra lost finals do not add to a resume, but rather substrat value, as they dismiss the clutch factor.
Winning percentage in USO finals:
Nadal: 80%
Djokovic: 40%
80% > 40%.
Nadal is clutcher in USO finals than Novak. In NBA debates, it's especially popular to compare LeBron James to Michael Jordan in GOAT conversations. In those conversations, no analyst praise LeBron for having more NBA finals than Jordan. Quite the reverse, LeBron is heavily criticized for being 4-6 in his 10 NBA finals (40% winning percentage), while Jordan is praise for his 6-6 (100%). LeBron has no "clutch gene", modern analyst say. The same applies to Novak in USO finals.
If we add the fact that Nadal leads the H2H over Novak 2-1, there's no objective reason to say Novak is better at the United States Open, just like I don't see anyone rating Connors over Federer or Sampras at the US Open. 4 = 4, just like 5 =5 = 5.
My reasoning is that the Nole fam is jealous of the Fed fanbase, because for years they have said (and rightly so) that Federer is ahead of Nadal at 3 out 4 Majors. Desperate to have all the stats for Novak, they run to the conclusion that Novak is ahead of Rafa at the USO and, incidentally, in 3 out of 4 Majors ("How dare Novak doesn't lead Rafa in a Slam on hard!"). Well, he doesn't. Unless he breaks the 4 = 4. A 5th title would be a tie-breaker. I think he can do it. Novak can even surpass the all-time USO record and win 6 titles. But, as of now, he isn't better/greater than Rafa there.
Now it's time of celebration for Novak fans. >50% of users here can likely be Novak fans. Meaning very few people (if anyone) will like my post, while any reply to my post will be liked by a lot of users.
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