Better year 2008 or 2015?

[NatF]

Which year was stronger? The tour and touch on individual opponents the number 1 faced.

Taking a break for pitting Fed fans against Djokovic fans for a bit.

 

[RS]

I see you.

 

[mike danny]

Well played

 

[Lew II]

Two great years.

The two most popular players won 3 slams in 2008 and 0 slams in 2015. For this reason most people will vote for 2008.

 

[NoleIsBoat]

I voted 2008, just. Simply because 2008 Djokovic > 2015 Murray.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

2015 for RG and 2008 for USO

 

[RS]

Two great years.

The two most popular players won 3 slams in 2008 and 0 slams in 2015. For this reason most people will vote for 2008.

Even many Djokovic fans think so as well.

 

[Lew II]

Even many Djokovic fans think so as well.

Yeah. I'm just explaining the outcome of the poll.

 

[Backspin1183]

2015 was a weak season with Nadal not around to stop Djokovic like in 2012-2014 which allowed Djokovic to win almost every big tournament he entered. 2015 Federer and Murray are not at 2012-2014 Nadal level.

 

[abmk]

2015 was a weak season with Nadal not around to stop Djokovic like in 2012-2014 which allowed Djokovic to win almost every big tournament he entered. 2015 Federer and Murray are not at 2012-2014 Nadal level.

Partially correct, but
Fed did stop Djoko in Wim 12
Murray in USO 12 and Wim 13

14-15 Fed did not have the full physical tools to stay with Djoko over a long match (which spilled over into the mental aspect as well)
Murray's top level in 15 was not near what it was in 12-13. (physical+mental)

Only one in 14-16 who had both physical&mental to go toe to toe with a well playing Djokovic in Bo5 was Stan. (exception being 2014 RG Nadal)
And Stan did go 3-1 vs Djok in slams in that time period (including 1 all in 2015)

 

[RS]

Partially correct, but
Fed did stop Djoko in Wim 12
Murray in USO 12 and Wim 13

14-15 Fed did not have the full physical tools to stay with Djoko over a long match
Murray's top level in 15 was not near what it was in 12-13. (physical+mental)

Only one in 14-16 who had both physical&mental to go with a well playing Djokovic in Bo5 was Stan. (exception being 2014 RG Nadal)
And Stan did go 3-1 vs Djok in slams in that time period (including 1 all in 2015)

Way overstated though the balded. More 2012 Murray than 2013 Murray who was injured effected for a lot of the year.

 

[RS]

@NatF

You need to get this thread more attention it is not active enough

 

[junior74]

2015 by a lot voters are the salt of the Earth

 

[abmk]

Way overstated though.

Not 100 % sure what you mean, but
Crumbled in the last set and half vs Djoko in AO 2015 final
got walloped by djokovic at IW (2&3)
bagelled in last set of Miami 2015 final
got walloped in shanghai by djokovic (1&3) (12 had MPs in 2nd set - yeah, Djokovic was clearly better in 15 Shanghai, but come on, 4 games?)

RG played some good tennis and obviously won Canada final

couldn't take fed to a TB in Wim 15 semi

Murray vs top 5 in 12: 6/13
Murray vs top 5 in 13: 3/4

combined: 9/17 = 52.94%
Murray vs top 5 in 15: 5/15 = 33.33%

Caveat: Murray's best years on clay were 15 and 16 obviously.

 

[RS]

Not 100 % sure what you mean, but
Crumbled in the last set and half vs Djoko in AO 2015 final
got walloped by djokovic at IW (2&3)
bagelled in last set of Miami 2015 final
got walloped in shanghai by djokovic (1&3) (12 had MPs in 2nd set - yeah, Djokovic was clearly better in 15 Shanghai, but come on, 4 games?)

RG played some good tennis and obviously won Canada final

couldn't take fed to a TB in Wim 15 semi

Murray vs top 5 in 12: 6/13
Murray vs top 5 in 13: 3/4

combined: 9/17 = 52.94%
Murray vs top 5 in 15: 5/15 = 33.33%

Caveat: Murray's best years on clay were 15 and 16 obviously.

I think he played at a higher level in 12 at slams indeed and that was his best year at slams but 13 is overstated and he was out for much of 13 with injury.

I think he was gonna lose to Fed in Wim 15 playing like that regardless of the year imo.

 

[NatF]

@NatF

You need to get this thread more attention it is not active enough

Just been told my house needs major damp proofing. Lost the will man.

 

[RS]

Just been told my house needs major damp proofing. Lost the will man.

In London certainly not gonna be cheap to fix

 

[NatF]

In London certainly not gonna be cheap to fix

Bro I had this guy come to check out a couple of patches and he tells me he recommends doing heavy work to all four walls. We just decorated as well lol.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

NatF likes stealing RS's avatars.

 

[RS]

I dont think any year after 2012 was better than 2008.

 

[Phoenix1983]

Yeah. I'm just explaining the outcome of the poll.

The outcome of the poll is actually because 2015 was a weak year in which Novak Djokovic feasted on pigeon Murray and a mid-30s Federer as his main competition.

 

[NatF]

2008 destroying 2015 in the poll.

 

[socallefty]

2008 destroying 2015 in the poll.

It just means that all the Fedal fans outnumber the Novak fans on all subjective ‘weak era’ narratives. Personally I think that all sports including tennis just keeps improving and it is ludicrous to compare the current era against past eras.

 

[NatF]

It just means that all the Fedal fans outnumber the Novak fans on all subjective ‘weak era’ narratives. Personally I think that all sports including tennis just keeps improving and it is ludicrous to compare the current era against past eras.

So 2017-2020 is the strongest era? Peak Big 3 in the last few years?

 

[socallefty]

So 2017-2020 is the strongest era? Peak Big 3 in the last few years?

Yes, but not in terms of Big 3 being better than prior years, but the average top 100 ATP pro being better. The Big 3 were better 5 years before.

 

[RS]

2008 destroying 2015 in the poll.

Problem is 2008 is considered to be a great year while 2015 isn’t. I would wager only a select few wins would win polls over 2008.

 

[NatF]

Problem is 2008 is considered to be a great year while 2015 isn’t. I would wager only a select few wins would win polls over 2008.

Initially I was thinking 2008 vs 2011 tbh. Just interested to see how many people voted 2008 over 2015, also voted 2015 over 2007.

 

[RS]

Initially I was thinking 2008 vs 2011 tbh. Just interested to see how many people voted 2008 over 2015, also voted 2015 over 2007.

You did that some last time year to bait me with 2008 and 2011 but it got deleted not long after IIRC. That would legit be a balanced one I think 2011 would slightly edge a poll actually.

 

[NatF]

You did that some last time year to bait me with 2008 and 2011 but it got deleted not long after IIRC. That would legit be a balanced one I think 2011 would slightly edge a poll actually.

I do expect 2011 would win that one yes. Guess you're not the only one who rehashes ideas aha.

 

[RS]

I do expect 2011 would win that one yes. Guess you're not the only one who rehashes ideas aha.

Giving thread making a break until February. Relying on you to make a good threads but stop with impression of me lol.

 

[NatF]

Giving thread making a break until February. Relying on you to make a good threads but stop with impression of me lol.

If you stop exlusively trying to bait Fedovic wars I'll stop lol.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Yeah. I'm just explaining the outcome of the poll.

Well, meet poison.

 

[Linelicker]

2008, and it's not close as I see it.

 

[mike danny]

It just means that all the Fedal fans outnumber the Novak fans on all subjective ‘weak era’ narratives. Personally I think that all sports including tennis just keeps improving and it is ludicrous to compare the current era against past eras.

Didn't seem so subjective in another post of yours

 

[mike danny]

2008 destroying 2015 in the poll.

If 2007 was ahead of 2015 in the poll, of course 2008 would be too.

 

[Linelicker]

Two great years.

The two most popular players won 3 slams in 2008 and 0 slams in 2015. For this reason most people will vote for 2008.

Ah, so that's why the unpopular one so desperately seeks love from crowds? - to become "better"?

 

[RS]

If you stop exlusively trying to bait Fedovic wars I'll stop lol.

Anyway back to topic even though i hard disagree

How would you break down 2008 and 2015?

 

[Deleted member 770948]

Berdych beat 2015Rafa at the AO 62 60 76.
Murray beat 2015Rafa at Madrid 63 62.
Wawrinka beat 2015Rafa at Rome 76 62.
Fognini beat 2015Rafa at Rio, Barcelona and US Open.
2015Rafa lost to Berrer, Berdych, Fognini (x3), Raonic, Verdasco, Djokovic (x4), Murray, Wawrinka (x2), Dolgopolov, Brown, Nishikori, Lopez, Tsonga, Federer.

 

[NatF]

Anyway back to topic even though i hard disagree .

How would you break down 2008 and 2015?

Per big event? It would probably be quicker to name an event where 2015 was stronger, not sure any come to mind. Cincy, maybe Paris? Lol.

 

[mike danny]

Anyway back to topic even though i hard disagree .

How would you break down 2008 and 2015?

AO: 2008 IMO. Djokovic was GOATING and so was Tsonga.
FO: 2008. Nadal > all.
Wimb: Clearly 2008
USO: 2008

IW: 2015
Miami: 2008
MC-2008
Madrid/Hamburg - 2008
Rome - 2015
Canada - equal
Cincy - 2015
Shanghai/Madrid - equal
Paris - 2015

WTF - equal

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Berdych beat 2015Rafa at the AO 62 60 76.
Murray beat 2015Rafa at Madrid 63 62.
Wawrinka beat 2015Rafa at Rome 76 62.
Fognini beat 2015Rafa at Rio, Barcelona and US Open.
2015Rafa lost to Berrer, Berdych, Fognini (x3), Raonic, Verdasco, Djokovic (x4), Murray, Wawrinka (x2), Dolgopolov, Brown, Nishikori, Lopez, Tsonga, Federer.

So 2015 is a better year

 

[RS]

Per big event? It would probably be quicker to name an event where 2015 was stronger, not sure any come to mind. Cincy, maybe Paris? Lol.

I think FO was better in 2015 despite Nadal in 08.

 

[StrongRule]

I think FO was better in 2015 despite Nadal.

 

[RS]

 

[RS]

AO: 2008 IMO. Djokovic was GOATING and so was Tsonga.
FO: 2008. Nadal > all.
Wimb: Clearly 2008
USO: 2008

IW: 2015
Miami: 2008
MC-2008
Madrid/Hamburg - 2008
Rome - 2015
Canada - equal
Cincy - 2015
Shanghai/Madrid - equal
Paris - 2015

WTF - equal

Good breakdown.

 

[StrongRule]

Nadal reaching the lowest point of his career made it look more competitive. So that makes a tournament better? 2008 Nadal would beat 2015 Murray and Wawrinka in straight sets. So a tournament became better because 2015 Djokovic wasn't good enough to do that?

 

[RS]

Nadal reaching the lowest point of his career made it look more competitive. So that makes a tournament better? 2008 Nadal would beat 2015 Murray and Wawrinka in straight sets. So a tournament became better because 2015 Djokovic wasn't good enough to do that?

You just look from a Nadal pov. 2015 had a wider variety on players in form at that event.

I voted for 2008 overall.

 

[StrongRule]

AO: 2008 IMO. Djokovic was GOATING and so was Tsonga.
FO: 2008. Nadal > all.
Wimb: Clearly 2008
USO: 2008

IW: 2015
Miami: 2008
MC-2008
Madrid/Hamburg - 2008
Rome - 2015
Canada - equal
Cincy - 2015
Shanghai/Madrid - equal
Paris - 2015

WTF - equal

2008 Paris is underrated. Good run to the title by Tsonga, beating Stepanek, Djokovic, Roddick, Blake and Nalbandian.

 

[mike danny]

2008 Paris is underrated. Good run to the title by Tsonga, beating Stepanek, Djokovic, Roddick, Blake and Nalbandian.

Yeah, good point.

A shame Tsonga has been so inconsistent in his career. But his 2 masters titles are both very impressive. Won against stiff competition both times.

 

[NatF]

I think FO was better in 2015 despite Nadal in 08.

Maybe? Obviously winners level is 2008 - runner up goes to Djokovic 2015 although 2008'Dal tears him a new one. Think Fed and Djokovic in 2008 beat Murray or Tsonga though.