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We Don’t Need Space Colonies, and We Definitely Don’t Need Jeff Bezos

Jeff Bezos says his space colonies will produce “a thousand Mozarts and a thousand Einsteins.” But we already have millions of talented people here on Earth — the problem is, they’re toiling in obscurity for people like Bezos.
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The Indian government should also be ashamed of their vainglorious space ambitions when they can’t even provide toilets for the majority of their citizens.
 
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YetAnotherFedFan said:
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We Don’t Need Space Colonies, and We Definitely Don’t Need Jeff Bezos

Jeff Bezos says his space colonies will produce “a thousand Mozarts and a thousand Einsteins.” But we already have millions of talented people here on Earth — the problem is, they’re toiling in obscurity for people like Bezos.
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The Indian government should also be ashamed of their vainglorious space ambitions when they can’t even provide toilets for the majority of their citizens.
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This is incorrect. US, France etc also suffer from homeless people. Last time I was in Paris I saw many vagabonds peeing in metro stations. I have seen similar stuff in NYC. It's a well understood fact that growth has to be organic and wholesome. If I can step into understanding astronomy only after I put a shelter on the last homeless man, countries might well be NGOs.

As a socialist country, largely, India is involved in both. Fact is that countries like Britain or Sweden cannot afford to send rockets everytime. It can be very expensive. They have payloads and ISRO sends them at a fraction of the cost into space. This joint collaboration between countries will help in our understanding of the universe. It's sad that it's seen as a 'failure' or an 'exercise in vanity'. It's a learning as in science in general. May be the next payload sent by ISRO can actually identify where the next Dorian is and avoid more people from becoming homeless?
 
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This is incorrect. US, France etc also suffer from homeless people. Last time I was in Paris I saw many vagabonds peeing in metro stations. I have seen similar stuff in NYC. It's a well understood fact that growth has to be organic and wholesome. If I can step into understanding astronomy only after I put a shelter on the last homeless man, countries might well be NGOs.

As a socialist country, largely, India is involved in both. Fact is that countries like Britain or Sweden cannot afford to send rockets everytime. It can be very expensive. They have payloads and ISRO sends them at a fraction of the cost into space. This joint collaboration between countries will help in our understanding of the universe. It's sad that it's seen as a 'failure' or an 'exercise in vanity'. It's a learning as in science in general. May be the next payload sent by ISRO can actually identify where the next Dorian is and avoid more people from becoming homeless?
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Oh Azure, you can bang the Indian Nationalist drum as loud as you like, but it won’t change the fact that Europe and America enjoy living standards which are galaxies apart from India’s.
 
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Oh Azure, you can bang the Indian Nationalist drum as loud as you like, but it won’t change the fact that Europe and America enjoy living standards which are galaxies apart from India’s.
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And I am not denying that. Miles ahead indeed. That does not mean that countries apart from the US which spends billions on space programs is justified in doing so when they are not as prosperous as say Nordic countries. If you think that expenses were high, I had posted this in the other thread -

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As of June 2019, the moon mission has an allocated cost of ₹978 crore (approximately US$141 million) which includes ₹603 crore for space segment and ₹375 crore. For a distance of 384400 kms, the cost of the mission was a measly 0.0027 dollars a kilometer.
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Space programs are not a bastion of a few countries that are seemingly rich. There are many many countries trying to do this. This came to the forefront because it's a mission that's not often done and has a poor success rate. At a fraction of the cost, it was interesting for the world's scientists to know if another country could do it.
 
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And I am not denying that. Miles ahead indeed. That does not mean that countries apart from the US which spends billions on space programs is justified in doing so when they are not as prosperous as say Nordic countries. If you think that expenses were high, I had posted this in the other thread -



Space programs are not a bastion of a few countries that are seemingly rich. There are many many countries trying to do this. This came to the forefront because it's a mission that's not often done and has a poor success rate. At a fraction of the cost, it was interesting for the world's scientists to know if another country could do it.
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Indian government also has grandiose plans to go to Mars.

Give the 400 million people living in straw huts toilets and 24 hour electricity first!
 
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Indian government also has grandiose plans to go to Mars.

Give the 400 million people living in straw huts toilets and 24 hour electricity first!
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Already did in 2014. Lots of data collected through satellite images and shared with NASA. Dissenters will always be around. I hope we don't lose interest in science because someone says so lol. Btw, Suresh makes an excellent point here

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It doesn't work that way as you might think sitting in Arizona. Suspending all development of advanced technology till the "poor" were taken care of, which was Gandhi's (good) intention, would never have worked - India has Islamic countries on either side and a Communist country hungry for resources on the north, not to mention Russia very close by. In the 60s and 70s, Indian scientists traveled to UK, US and Europe to beg, borrow and steal nuclear technology, and also started an effort internally, which is one the reasons the country has not been wiped out or invaded by its neighbors. The use of advanced technology has been mocked forever - when I was a student, it was proposed that no college degree should be awarded unless the student explained his studies to the farmers in their local language. But going the opposite way has ensured wireless connectivity for the masses, millions of software jobs for domestic or outsourced demand, enormous foreign investment, an enormous increase in the status of women and low-caste people, and a slow eroding of religion and superstition barriers. Otherwise, India would be a slave country now.

Sometimes trickle down is the only way. India did not start from scratch like the US with tons of natural resources and no baggage.
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Countries can have an excellent level of sophisticated technology without having their own space program.

Indeed, it would be cheaper and better for countries to hitch rides with other countries to launch satellites for a price.

This is why being a part of the EU works for smaller nations: they get access for not much outlay.

It's not a question of mocking advanced technology.

It's a question of whether space and the weapons industry attracted to it are the best technological investments.
 
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Bartelby said:
Countries can have an excellent level of sophisticated technology without having their own space program.

Indeed, it would be cheaper and better for countries to hitch rides with other countries to launch satellites for a price.

This is why being a part of the EU works for smaller nations: they get access for not much outlay.

It's not a question of mocking advanced technology.

It's a question of whether space and the weapons industry attracted to it are the best technological investments.
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Good point, I think today every technological field is interlinked. Space programs help in identifying climate change for example. This in turn helps us to have advanced electronic systems for capturing images, probes etc which are easily translatable to medical technology, agriculture, environment etc. The discovery of Black Hole for example was less about astronomy and more about image processing capabilities. We cannot isolate technologies into subjects anymore. It is in the best interest of nations to work together.
 
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Bezos is the Prince of Darkness. He stole rights to the US Open from Eurosport. Now I am forced to watch it on bloody Amazon Prime which means I have to subscribe to him so I can watch it on my computer instead of on my TV on the comfort of my sofa. :mad:
 
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Jeff Jorgensen sounds homely. It's only the Cuban name of Bezos that makes him sound otherwise. But the Cuban step-father was the good guy.
 
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Apparently there is a specific reference to Mossad spy/newspaper proprietor Robert Maxwell's death in the film.

But scripts go through many hands and they were not writing biography, so it's more of a generic account of 'Fleet Street's' power.

And Murdoch survived, as we all know, and does indeed invent tomorrow's news on a daily basis in many countries.

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Has he ? Any proof?
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Other than age and natural citizenship, there are virtually no requirements for running for president. Possibly we need some amendment that lays out more stringent qualifications. To become a beautician, one must take classes and pass tests, a teacher needs a certificate of acomplishment, a president, apparently, just needs a lot of money and the ability to convince people to vote for him/her against their best interests.

What additional requirements might make sense for someone running for our highest office?
 
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chrischris said:
Bezos aint all that bad.. chill
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Disagree vehemently. Amazon will destroy brick and mortar retail within the next two decades on a scale far surpassing the impact of Walmart on Main Street. He has even brainwashed the “competition.” A local bike store owner suggested I buy all the accessories I was once looking into purchasing in order to supplement an electric assist bike I was thinking of buying from him...”You can get the headlights/taillights and helmet cheaper on Amazon!”

Add to that, Amazon has received tax credits that negated all corporate tax liability. Only one year in the last decade have they ever paid taxes that match or exceed the corporate tax rate.

The guy is evil to the bone but you can go there and order your stuff and help contribute to his ginormous carbon footprint just so you save a few dollars.
 
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I can't see how Bezos is evil simply because the political system is owned by the rich and the powerful.

All the big tech companies pay very little tax. France is in the process of taxing them and getting trouble from America as a result.
 
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@Paul Coffey , the real PC, an Edmonton fan/native and/or real hockey fan???

Hoping you will help keep active the annual NHL thread I install in October! Fans of the greatest team sport on the planet are sparse here. :(
 
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Paul Coffey fan. We had our own Chelios in Chicago but he wasn’t the skater Coffey was. I’d take Coffey over virtually anyone as a skater, with the possible exception of Orr.

 
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stringertom said:
Where are The Cups? He got one when he went to Colorado.

To me, the line of succession with some overlapping:

Orr (when I started watching)
Larry Robinson
Potvin
Coffey
Bourque
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Can’t argue with that list. The lack of cups in Boston might be a touch harsh. Potvin had Bossy, Trottier, and Billy Smith. Coffey of course had jewels for teammates.

Ray for much of his career was in the primes of Gretzky, Lemieux, Yzerman, Messier. There was Neely, but his career was a short lived one.
 
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Can’t argue with that list. The lack of cups in Boston might be a touch harsh. Potvin had Bossy, Trottier, and Billy Smith. Coffey of course had jewels for teammates.

Ray for much of his career was in the primes of Gretzky, Lemieux, Yzerman, Messier. There was Neely, but his career was a short lived one.
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Bourque was awesome and unfortunate at the same time to be his team’s biggest asset in eras loaded with other dynastic teams. Same for another I purposefully left off the list...Brad Park.

Odd part about Potvin...he was best before the Cups came. To me, and I watched them live quite often, they became what Al Arbour envisioned when Ken Morrow started manning the blue line with Denis, thus giving #5 a lot of range to be more offensive. That’s when the Cups came with Potvin ramping up in the second season.
 
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